Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[samsnee]

Honestly what can this franchise really do that won't just feel repetitive? How many more world catastrophes can we show on screen? I say they do a straight reboot after Wolverine 3. Keep the budget small and put it in the present. I know Deadpool is still in this timeline but he breaks the 4th wall enough it won't matter.

 

[X-Maniac]

Honestly what can this franchise really do that won't just feel repetitive? How many more world catastrophes can we show on screen? I say they do a straight reboot after Wolverine 3. Keep the budget small and put it in the present. I know Deadpool is still in this timeline but he breaks the 4th wall enough it won't matter.

I don't want a total reboot. I want to see more of the existing young versions of Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Storm, Jubilee... and the existing Psylocke.

There is some danger of repetition unless they rethink the formula somewhat. Shifting focus away from Magneto, Xavier and Mystique is a step towards that. Shifting focus on to those other characters is a step towards that.

Bringing in other villains and heroes is a step towards that. The whole thing needs a shake-up.

That's what worries me about redoing the Phoenix Saga, it could be seen as recycling. It's what makes me think it might not be necessary.

 

[Erzengel]

They could have tried to beat the MCU (GOTG & Thor withstanding*) or DCEU to the punch and introduce aliens like the Shiar and the Brood and take their stories into space.

*While GOTG and Thor are set off world, we still haven't seen the Avengers in space yet. Granted that'll change with the Thor & Hulk buddy film in Ragnarok.

 

[ApophènX]

It doesn't felt repetitive to me it is just people over focuse on it. We all see what we want, collective illusion.

And the point of the movie seemed to be: we are ready for a new start, we have learned from the mistakes of our past, the future awaits us.

 

[X-Maniac]

They could have tried to beat the MCU (GOTG & Thor withstanding*) or DCEU to the punch and introduce aliens like the Shiar and the Brood and take their stories into space.

*While GOTG and Thor are set off world, we still haven't seen the Avengers in space yet. Granted that'll change with the Thor & Hulk buddy film in Ragnarok.

After seeing X-Men: Apocalypse, i'm not sure this franchise is ready for outer space under the current filmmaking regime. They pushed the capabilities of make-up and CGI and green screen as far as they seem able to do, and all three of those things have been criticised.

 

[superweirdo87]

Worse than BvS even by proportionate measures. Definitely think the franchise needs to rest for a good bit. Stick with Deadpool. X-films just can't produce big money at the box office to date.

I think 4 years is a decent resting period. The movies definitely need to rest some. But, there is risk in taking more than 5 years. And yeah, third weekend box office is so bad. Even worse than BvS, on a percentage basis. But, XMA has tougher competition. BvS was only up against boss. Conjuring, Now you see me, warcraft TMNT.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Worse than BvS even by proportionate measures. Definitely think the franchise needs to rest for a good bit. Stick with Deadpool. X-films just can't produce big money at the box office to date.

BvS was a one of a kind first meeting of two of the biggest icons in American literature. It was always going to gross a lot. The only shocking thing about it was that it didn't manage to clear a billion as even an average film should have been able to do so easily with those opening weekend numbers.

XMA, on the other hand, never came close to generating the amount of interest that BvS did, even if most people agree that the movie itself was better.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I don't want a total reboot. I want to see more of the existing young versions of Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Storm, Jubilee... and the existing Psylocke.

There is some danger of repetition unless they rethink the formula somewhat. Shifting focus away from Magneto, Xavier and Mystique is a step towards that. Shifting focus on to those other characters is a step towards that.

Bringing in other villains and heroes is a step towards that. The whole thing needs a shake-up.

That's what worries me about redoing the Phoenix Saga, it could be seen as recycling. It's what makes me think it might not be necessary.

if final domestic number doesn't outgorss first X-men or even worst first Class then reboot is a possibilty.

i say those so concerned about crossing over and connecting to deadpool are
making huge mistake.they want to turn X-Men franchise into deadpool franchise.same thing they maoned about with wolverine.

Even if there is sequel to apocalypse the moaning about creative team is pointless.

one Bryan Singer is likely gone.But Simon Kinberg is likely going nowhere.next film could be a last stand style film.

the maoning about xavier,magneto,mystiqe is just hating because
Mystique is likely gone as Jennifer Lawrence is likely gone.Next film will likely have smaller budget.that may mean Michael fassbender is gone too especilly since we have plenty to suggest first class cast doesn't have appeal
original cast did.Apocalypse was already setting up cyclops and jean as major characters which many dismiss.even if there is apocalypse sequel odds are good they will quickly recast wolverine.

worst case sceniro is fox decedes to scrap more X-men films plus gambit and new mutants and focuses after "weapon X" hits on completing a deadpool trilogy and doing an X-force trilogy and then reboots.considering gambit and new mutants both have directors who aren't exactly making that film their top priority that isn't far fetched sceniro.though i don't want it.

 

[iacobusleo]

Honestly what can this franchise really do that won't just feel repetitive? How many more world catastrophes can we show on screen? I say they do a straight reboot after Wolverine 3. Keep the budget small and put it in the present.

Why do we need a reboot to keep things at a small scale? The X-Men franchise still has huge amounts of source material to draw from, very little of them actually about world catastrophes. In fact, we have only scratched the surface with regards to the character development stories that the comics have done so well, particularly for characters in the new team like Scott and Storm. All it requires is a good and knowledgeable creative team.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think 4 years is a decent resting period. The movies definitely need to rest some. But, there is risk in taking more than 5 years. And yeah, third weekend box office is so bad. Even worse than BvS, on a percentage basis. But, XMA has tougher competition. BvS was only up against boss. Conjuring, Now you see me, warcraft TMNT.

next X-men film already wasn't coming till at least 2019 or possibly even
2020.The idea of trying to put all the focus on deadpool is stupid one.

after "Weapon X" hits in march only spin-off i would be sure on is deadpool and
maybe X-force.Gambit and new mutants both have directors who aren't exactly making those films top priority.

Even if they all happen the only one i may spend money to go see is 'Weapon X" till there is concerate news on what will happen with main X-Men films.

 

[superweirdo87]

I don't want a total reboot. I want to see more of the existing young versions of Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Storm, Jubilee... and the existing Psylocke.

There is some danger of repetition unless they rethink the formula somewhat. Shifting focus away from Magneto, Xavier and Mystique is a step towards that. Shifting focus on to those other characters is a step towards that.

Bringing in other villains and heroes is a step towards that. The whole thing needs a shake-up.

That's what worries me about redoing the Phoenix Saga, it could be seen as recycling. It's what makes me think it might not be necessary.

I also feel like I want to see more of these young X-Men, and focusing on other characters and conflicts is the way to go. A new creative team also would help. The rhythms tend to be the same on the Singer movies, so a new team can potentially make it feel different.

I don't know about going all-in on the Dark Pheonix, though I think it could be different if it is faithful to the source material. Cyclops was killed in 5 minutes in X3. But, if he is deeply in love with Jean, leading the X-Men, and struggling with conflict, I think it could be different.

 

[GuestStar2004]

if final domestic number doesn't outgorss first X-men or even worst first Class then reboot is a possibilty.

i say those so concerned about crossing over and connecting to deadpool are
making huge mistake.they want to turn X-Men franchise into deadpool franchise.same thing they maoned about with wolverine.

Even if there is sequel to apocalypse the moaning about creative team is pointless.

one Bryan Singer is likely gone.But Simon Kinberg is likely going nowhere.next film could be a last stand style film.

the maoning about xavier,magneto,mystiqe is just hating because
Mystique is likely gone as Jennifer Lawrence is likely gone.Next film will likely have smaller budget.that may mean Michael fassbender is gone too especilly since we have plenty to suggest first class cast doesn't have appeal
original cast did.Apocalypse was already setting up cyclops and jean as major characters which many dismiss.even if there is apocalypse sequel odds are good they will quickly recast wolverine.

worst case sceniro is fox decedes to scrap more X-men films plus gambit and new mutants and focuses after "weapon X" hits on completing a deadpool trilogy and doing an X-force trilogy and then reboots.considering gambit and new mutants both have directors who aren't exactly making that film their top priority that isn't far fetched sceniro.though i don't want it.

You tend to give us the repeated lowdown on these films when you have very little evidence for alot of it, but hey i will address some of them

1. bryan singer has said he would like to stay involved with the franchise so unless FOX do not want to have him as a producer then i don't see why he won't stay involved

2. Mystique may still be involved whether its FOX willing to pay the money to keep her or they may use the power of recast if they want too, because they have that ability

3, why would they throw away some of their best talent because of budget? michael fassbender is either in or is isn't but FOX would be silly to not try and get him back for some role

 

[marvelrobbins]

You tend to give us the repeated low down on these films when you have very little evidence for alot of it, but hey i will address some of them

1. bryan singer has said he would like to stay involved with the franchise so unless FOX do not want to have him as a producer then i don't see why he won't stay involved

2. Mystique may still be involved whether its FOX willing to pay the money to keep her or they may use the power of recast if they want too, because they have that ability

3, why would they throw away some of their best talent because of budget? michael fassbender is either in or is isn't but FOX would be silly to not try and get him back for some role

there has been plenty of anti-Singer statements here since apocalypse opened yet i am critized for saying after the under-performance of apocalypse Singer is likely gone.and Singer doesn't have much history of producing and not directing films.that happened on first class because he was suspose to direct it.

apocalypse has dropped on third weekend to number 6 with 129 million total after friday.and people think fox will spend 180 to 200 Million on next X-Men film assuming there is another full X-Men film anytime soon.If there is sequel to apocalypse i will be surprised if anyone from first class cast except for mcavoy returns with the younger apocalypse cast.

with apocalypse dropping to 6th place and 2 big films coming out next weekend film will be luck to top 150 million now.

foregin box office will now detmine if there is a sequel to apocalypse.just like foregin box office was large reason why fox greenlighted both DOFP and
"weapon X"

 

[marvelrobbins]

I also feel like I want to see more of these young X-Men, and focusing on other characters and conflicts is the way to go. A new creative team also would help. The rhythms tend to be the same on the Singer movies, so a new team can potentially make it feel different.

I don't know about going all-in on the Dark Pheonix, though I think it could be different if it is faithful to the source material. Cyclops was killed in 5 minutes in X3. But, if he is deeply in love with Jean, leading the X-Men, and struggling with conflict, I think it could be different.

for immedate future i think phoenix is off the table because of apocalypse's disappointing domestic box office.the odds are high next X-Men film would get a smaller budget than apocalypse.

 

[GuestStar2004]

apocalypse has dropped on third weekend to number 6 with 129 million total after friday.and people think fox will spend 180 to 200 Million on next X-Men film assuming there is another full X-Men film anytime soon.If there is sequel to apocalypse i will be surprised if anyone from first class cast except for mcavoy returns with the younger apocalypse cast.

So what do you think the budget will go on first and foremost? it will go on the actors first because there is no film without the actors and what else they can afford will come after.

 

[superweirdo87]

You tend to give us the repeated lowdown on these films when you have very little evidence for alot of it, but hey i will address some of them

1. bryan singer has said he would like to stay involved with the franchise so unless FOX do not want to have him as a producer then i don't see why he won't stay involved

2. Mystique may still be involved whether its FOX willing to pay the money to keep her or they may use the power of recast if they want too, because they have that ability

3, why would they throw away some of their best talent because of budget? michael fassbender is either in or is isn't but FOX would be silly to not try and get him back for some role

I mostly agree, though I think having a new director and writer will help. Jennifer Lawrence is definitely out. Her performance was so lifeless and she clearly did not want to be there. Also, while Fox has the power to write her a check, I think that it is clearly not worth it.

Fassbender might not be able to command huge paychecks out there after Steve Jobs. Fox might be able to make him a good enough offer to get him to stick around.

 

[kineticist]

Soooo to stay on topic (which seems to be impossible on this thread)

Hopefully we hit close to 500m after this weekend.

 

[Sithborg]

When they update, China will be adding about $40 mil to the total.

 

[superweirdo87]

So what do you think the budget will go on first and foremost? it will go on the actors first because there is no film without the actors and what else they can afford will come after.

At the Sydney premiere, Michael mentioned he would do a standalone Magneto movie if the script and material were solid. He also has a good relationship with Fox. Fassbender also does not command huge paychecks, in the 10M+ range, given that he does not have a string of hits. It seems like his involvement would not dramatically raise the budget.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Soooo to stay on topic (which seems to be impossible on this thread)

Hopefully we hit close to 500m after this weekend.

it's on foregin box office now.best case sceniro is around 9 million this weekend domesticly with it now it's 6th place.it defently won't be make million dolors per day anymore on mon-thurs.next weekend it will be lucky to 5 million since i keep hearing on twitter finding dory and centrel Intelligence are going to blow with 40 million opening next weekend.it likely drops to 8th place next weekend.

 

[superweirdo87]

Fox had 317.6 as on June 9th.

 

[EnDz0n3]

If they weren't going to use the 80's setting to it's full potential, than what's the point of jumping forward 10 years?

If that were the case, they should have just jumped 1-2 years after DoFP and stayed in the 70's.

Presumably so we can finally have Cyclops, Storm, Jean et al. Lord knows fans have been waiting for an actual X-men team in these films post-2006. And for these characters in particular to debut in these prequel films.

It made sense that they weren't the "first class" in First Class. What didn't make sense was when Vaughn, Singer, and Fox shoehorned in a ruby-quartz glasses-wearing kid and a white haired black girl in 1960s Cerebro.

Singer had as much if not more influence on First Class as Vaughn had on DOFP so why is Vaughn getting credit for the good stuff in DOFP but Singer doesn't get any credit for First Class? All this double standards are just ridiculous. X2 is still the best one tbh such a masterful way of handling so many characters while still telling a complex story, it probably has the most compelling action in the entire franchise as well.

Quoted. For. Truth.

I'm not as big a fan of FC as much as most fans but yea.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Presumably so we can finally have Cyclops, Storm, Jean et al. Lord knows fans have been waiting for an actual X-men team in these films post-2006. And for these characters in particular to debut in these prequel films.

It made sense that they weren't the "first class" in First Class. What didn't make sense was when Vaughn, Singer, and Fox shoehorned in a ruby-quartz glasses-wearing kid and a white haired black girl in 1960s Cerebro.



Quoted. For. Truth.

I'm not as big a fan of FC as much as most fans but yea.

the point going to 1980's was more so they could have teenage versions of cyclops,jean,and storm.as for cerebro sequenze In First class that was probally vaughn.although fans will probally blame singer.with first class if it worked and they liked it it's all vaughn.if something went wrong and they didn't it was all Singer's fault.

i agree with you and johnny-Oh.First class is on list of good X-men films but it's defently the most overrated full X-Men film.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I doubt Vaughn cared one way or another that they show cameos from Scott and Storm in FC.

If anything it was probably the studio leary of an X-men film without the bigger name characters.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Also underperforming in comparison to its predecessor(s) is X-Men: Apocalypse, which earned around $2.75 million on Friday (-58%) for a likely $9.4m weekend (-59%) and $135.7m 17-day cume. The good news is that it won’t be the lowest-grossing X-Men movie after tomorrow, as it’ll pass the $132m domestic total for The Wolverine.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottme...s-to-drop-angry-birds-tops-300m/#1390456b2d75

Deadline: 5). X-Men: Apocalypse(FOX), 3,585 theaters (-568) / $2.7M Fri. (-58%) / 3-day cume: $9.5M(-58%) /Total cume: $135.6M/Wk 3