Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[samsnee]

Why do we need a reboot to keep things at a small scale? The X-Men franchise still has huge amounts of source material to draw from, very little of them actually about world catastrophes. In fact, we have only scratched the surface with regards to the character development stories that the comics have done so well, particularly for characters in the new team like Scott and Storm. All it requires is a good and knowledgeable creative team.

Yeah but what new creative team would want to come on board and deal with the already confusing and contradicting timelines? Anyone new would want to build their way own world from scratch.

 

[GuestStar2004]

the point going to 1980's was more so they could have teenage versions of cyclops,jean,and storm.as for cerebro sequenze In First class that was probally vaughn.although fans will probally blame singer.with first class if it worked and they liked it it's all vaughn.if something went wrong and they didn't it was all Singer's fault.

i agree with you and johnny-Oh.First class is on list of good X-men films but it's defently the most overrated full X-Men film.

Look when it comes down to it Singer and Vaughn share some of the credit for FC and DOFP, Vaughn probably more so with FC and Singer probably more so with DOFP But singer has straight up taken credit for a fair few decisions in FC and while vaughn hasn't taken as much credit for DOFP we know there was a script with juggernault that singer changed to quicksilver when he came onboard so yeah vaughn likely did have a hand in a fair amount of the story.

X-Men: Apocalypse is pretty much the one thats all Singer.

 

[fallenAngel]

Why do people assume a reboot would take the franchise in a new, refreshing direction?

Wouldn't they just retell the same stories and go backwards, you know, like every other reboot has done?

I don't want to see the X-men battle Magneto again, even if it's a team-oriented movie that has the characters people want to see.

They can do that anyway, it's completely pointless to reboot. It took three movies to essentially get the franchise back to where it was at the end of the second movie. Anyone who may or may not take the reins going forward is literally only beholden to current cast members (and even then there isn't any reason they couldn't just recast)

The only non-pointless reboot would be an MCU version

 

[Tilapia]

People just have this stigma that the 80's 90's timeline is stale and no longer viable for the progressive, modern audience. Fans assume that the current audience has already checked out from these past decades and want X-Men in the technology world with today's pop culture references and the times of today. It's the fact that fans here want these characters to truly be timeless like the comics. Never age. Same characters and team dynamics. Page for page photocopies of their preferred serials and stories. That's what is going on when fans clamor for reboots in the modern day, or an incorporation into the current MCU which is modern day.

And I'm telling you all right now, it doesn't make one iota of a difference to the general public. Why? The timeline is already completely new. As a matter of fact, it would be funny seeing a Bill Clinton presidency in the X-Men world. Now that we are in a new timeline, Obama can show up later. Nobody is going to give a **** what decade the film is in or how old certain mutants are. Things need to start making sense timeline wise. That's a lot of where the frustration is at as of now.

 

[BeholdMe]

Worse than BvS even by proportionate measures. Definitely think the franchise needs to rest for a good bit. Stick with Deadpool. X-films just can't produce big money at the box office to date.

They can produce a great movie if done the right way instead of recycling things majority have issues with. They don't need more than a 3 year break. Get someone on board who has a good handle on all the XCharacters involved, some are really going off the deep end with this movie, it's an easy fix to get back on track it just needs planning and I think a new creative team to take the helms. A good story with characters getting the proper development and not just used as background clutter involved with the story would do well.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I hope the movie reaches $500 million tomorrow.

 

[superweirdo87]

Why do people assume a reboot would take the franchise in a new, refreshing direction?

Wouldn't they just retell the same stories and go backwards, you know, like every other reboot has done?

I don't want to see the X-men battle Magneto again, even if it's a team-oriented movie that has the characters people want to see.

They can do that anyway, it's completely pointless to reboot. It took three movies to essentially get the franchise back to where it was at the end of the second movie. Anyone who may or may not take the reins going forward is literally only beholden to current cast members (and even then there isn't any reason they couldn't just recast)

The only non-pointless reboot would be an MCU version

The continuity might be more clean in a reboot, and it would be a fresh break with a new voice, aesthetic and style. I do wonder if a non-MCU reboot would really get people excited. And there is a legitimate question here. What would a reboot actually achieve? If it's just about underperforming, and potential for better performance, there are questions of identity that hurt a reboot.

 

[iacobusleo]

Yeah but what new creative team would want to come on board and deal with the already confusing and contradicting timelines? Anyone new would want to build their way own world from scratch.

I see where you're coming from and I agree. But beyond the fact that half of the popular X-Men are in the past and half are in the present, the timeline is actually quite a blank slate now. The filmmakers have brand new characters that they can play with (Scott, Jean, Storm) in the 90s, and the other characters (Kitty Pryde and Rogue) can be totally reinvented provided they are the same actors and remain in the modern era. Even Mystique, whose characterization is now quite different, could very easily be inserted into a modern story focusing on Rogue and the same slightly toxic but ultimately loving mother-daughter relationship can still play out.

Unless of course that a new filmmaker wants their own take on Xavier and Magneto, but please for the love of god I really hope not. We need to move on to other characters.

But again, yes I agree with you. Creative people tend to want their build their world from scratch and are not as pedantic like me, who actually enjoys writing around these restrictions and make everything fit. Plus I'm sure there are loads of filmmakers who would rather have characters like Nightcrawler, Kitty Pryde and Wolverine on the same team.

 

[superweirdo87]

I could see a young and promising filmmaker who loved X-Men growing up and enjoyed the Singer series coming aboard with the existing timelines. Though, let's hope they can manage working with a studio well after the F4 debacle. And Scott and Jean have not been explored much in depth.

 

[Smilodon]

If anything those restrictions might breed some creativity in terms of developing characters who otherwise might not get the development they deserve due to other characters. If we have Charles, Scott, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat, Beast and Angel in one film like the OT cast, someone is inevitably going to get shafted. They might get to participate in the action like Ant-Man and War Machine due to competent directors like the Russos in CW, but they most certainly won't be treated equally. (Of course, that would be better than what we have now though with characters who lack personality and lines and action more or less)

Splitting off in the past and present could just be treated as if we had the gold and blue teams. Scott, Jean, Storm, QS, Kurt, Beast, Mystique, and Jubilee (maybe Psylocke/Angel) and then Iceman, Kitty, Rogue, Colossus + other characters (be it Gambit, Wanda, Polaris etc. etc.)

(They could also just straight up introduce the rest of the A-listers if they wanted too, it's not like being born earlier isn't a consequence of DOFP in this franchise)

Of course we only really have one decade jump left before we're in the 2000s so after that it wouldn't be unreasonable for the characters to look as they do. They could easily start telling stories in the modern day with Deadpool (depending on where they want Deadpool to take place which could frankly be anywhere from 2016 to 2023)

 

[superweirdo87]

I think Fox should seriously reconsider the decade jump idea. It takes away from placing the events at the most plausible or interesting times to force them into a moment because of format choices. Also, the aging issues. This stuff is almost insulting to the intelligence of the audience members.

It is worth noting that Tye Sheridan and Sophie Turner are on 3-film contracts. Having them play 40 year old characters even 7 years from now might be dicey. They clearly would not look 40, and unlike Raven, there is no explicit mention to aging slowly, lol. In fairness, Sheridan would be around Marsden's age. But, Turner would be younger than Famke.

 

[ciscostudent561]

saw it aagain tonight
what a treat
there was more people there then i expected

 

[Johnny-Oh]

The decade jumps are problematic but I think they keep doing it to get back to present day, I think the first problem was making First Class way too far in the past despite the fact that the missile crisis plot was brilliant.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I think Fox should seriously reconsider the decade jump idea. It takes away from placing the events at the most plausible or interesting times to force them into a moment because of format choices. Also, the aging issues. This stuff is almost insulting to the intelligence of the audience members.

It is worth noting that Tye Sheridan and Sophie Turner are on 3-film contracts. Having them play 40 year old characters even 7 years from now might be dicey. They clearly would not look 40, and unlike Raven, there is no explicit mention to aging slowly, lol. In fairness, Sheridan would be around Marsden's age. But, Turner would be younger than Famke.

I agree. The next x-men movie doesn't need to jump to 1990s.

 

[kevork89]

Went to my 4th viewing today. Loved it again lol. My sis was seeing it for the first time. She loved it.

 

[spider-neil]

The decade jumps are problematic but I think they keep doing it to get back to present day, I think the first problem was making First Class way too far in the past despite the fact that the missile crisis plot was brilliant.

They should have keep it in the 60's. There was no reason to jump the movie forwards 10 years. NONE. DoFP could have happened a couple of years after FC and (anything other than) X:A could have happened a couple of years after that.

 

[harryoscop]

First Class felt like an MCU X-Men flick imo

 

[Mutant 77]

They should stay in the Eighties, just 5 years in the "future": 1988.

The timeline has been altered more than one time so they are free to do what they want now... no limits. See Warren in "Apocalypse".

I'm pretty confident the movie will reach the 500 million dollars WW by Monday.

 

[iacobusleo]

If anything those restrictions might breed some creativity in terms of developing characters who otherwise might not get the development they deserve due to other characters. If we have Charles, Scott, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat, Beast and Angel in one film like the OT cast, someone is inevitably going to get shafted. They might get to participate in the action like Ant-Man and War Machine due to competent directors like the Russos in CW, but they most certainly won't be treated equally. (Of course, that would be better than what we have now though with characters who lack personality and lines and action more or less)

Splitting off in the past and present could just be treated as if we had the gold and blue teams. Scott, Jean, Storm, QS, Kurt, Beast, Mystique, and Jubilee (maybe Psylocke/Angel) and then Iceman, Kitty, Rogue, Colossus + other characters (be it Gambit, Wanda, Polaris etc. etc.)

This so much.

 

[Tilapia]

You have a decent future roster. Colossus is still there. Add Iceman, maybe recast Rogue if need be. An older Cyclops can come in as well. Technically all the characters still existed in the DoFP ending. They kinda all looked like professors though so I doubt they are getting the field work they used to.

It will also be interesting to see how Dark Phoenix is handled. Jean was there in the alternate future ending, so you wonder if Dark Phoenix and Jean Grey's death even took place yet. Unless the new timeline ironically ignores that ending or Jean was resurrected yet again after her possible Dark Phoenix episode.

Maybe you do a couple more with the FC cast and hold off on the Phoenix saga or the next trilogy until the actors are old enough to play their OT counterparts convincingly. You probably need another 15 years or so. In the meantime, you can cover Proteus/Sinister/Shadow King. The OT cast is too old to use for another major adaptation like that however.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It will also be interesting to see how Dark Phoenix is handled. Jean was there in the alternate future ending, so you wonder if Dark Phoenix and Jean Grey's death even took place yet.

Why is it assumed jean will die or has to die? she has been killed off twice already so i don't see them doing it again and truth be told this series hasn't followed the comics all that much anyway so them not killing jean this time and telling the story differently would hardly be a shock

 

[kguillou]

Yes, please don't kill Jean for once. It's already become a running joke in the comics, it'd be such a refreshing change of pace to do the Phoenix Saga and have her survive it at the end.

 

[superweirdo87]

I disagree with letting Jean survive if they pursue the Phoenix saga. I think doing Phoenix is a bad idea. But, if they are going to do it, Jean should die and sacrifice herself. Even after Jean comes back to life and dies again, her death in the Pheonix Saga is still resonant when you read it. Without her death, the story itself loses its teeth. Jean was willing to sacrifice herself. The ending monologue: She could have lived to be a God, but it was more important to her to die a human. Without her dying, the story loses something big. To not kill her is to botch it. And after X3, that is the last thing the series needs. Also, the prospect of doing Pheonix gets might get a lot of chatter surrounding it. To change that and create something okay or sort of good could be a big letdown.

Also, the movies have not prized comic book fidelity before, but some things have changed. Fanboys are still a subset of the audience. But, movies that are comic book-like have succeeded.

 

[kguillou]

But don't you feel like it just makes the story predictable in a way? Like, you'll be watching the movie practically waiting for her to die at the end. I'd like them to surprise me and add a new twist to the story.

 

[GuestStar2004]

To not kill her is to botch it. And after X3, that is the last thing the series needs.

You could also say after X3 the last thing we need if for her to die again as a result of the phoenix story

I mean why did they change things so they could do it again? just so they could kill her again but do it differently? whats the point? its pretty much down to writing whether it ends up good, not her dying.