Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[superweirdo87]

It is potentially predictable, but I think if it can get you to care about the characters and feel for them, it still packs a punch.

 

[superweirdo87]

you could also say after X3 the last thing we need if for her to die again as a result of the phoenix story

I mean why did they change things so they could do it again? just so they could kill her again but do it differently? whats the point? its pretty much down to writing whether it ends up good, not her dying.

The point, I guess, is to do the story line right. In X3, Logan kills Jean and that takes her agency away. X3 also lost the self-sacrifice aspect. That only Jean could do what she had to. In another rendering, the story could also capture the conflict that the X-Men and especially Cyclops felt in dealing with the Phoenix. Cyclops is just killed in X3. But, to spend time with him and the others in this struggle could be powerful, particularly with a longer running time and no cure storyline.

 

[ApophènX]

You could also say after X3 the last thing we need if for her to die again as a result of the phoenix story

I mean why did they change things so they could do it again? just so they could kill her again but do it differently? whats the point? its pretty much down to writing whether it ends up good, not her dying.

The point would she has to die and you can't really change time but it would change many things around them, the way she dies... Phoenix is about death and rebirth if they put it for what it is, a cosmic process inherent to all and a force of nature, it would already make a great difference. More if it leads to discovering space and the coming of the Shia'r. They are tons of way to make Phoenix death something amazing.

But even in X3 it was a symbol of peace or something alike, with Angel metaphor and him flying over the destroyed bridge at the end. It was a symbol of peace beetwen mutant and human also symbolized by the realtion beetwen Iceman and Rogue, who got the cure. Her relation parralels Wolverine one since day one. X3 had some stuff going on

The cure storyline is done, it has been mirror in XMA with Apoc enhancement of powers.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The point would she has to die and you can't really change time but it would change many things around them, the way she dies... Phoenix is about death and rebirth if they put it for what it is, a cosmic process inherent to all and a force of nature, it would already make a great difference. More if it leads to discovering space and the coming of the Shia'r. They are tons of way to make Phoenix death something amazing.

And there are tons of ways to make the phoenix story amazing without her dying, technically we already got the phoenix story where she was killed.

 

[spider-neil]

First Class felt like an MCU X-Men flick imo

Maybe that's why I enjoy FC most out of all the X-Men movies

Actually, FC Can't be like the MCU movie, FC actually had a compelling villain

 

[ApophènX]

And there are tons of ways to make the phoenix story amazing without her dying, technically we already got the phoenix story where she was killed.

Surely but Phoenix is about death and rebirth and even if it was the center message of XMA, it stil is a theme wich can lead to powerfull emotion and philosophical meaning. It is a theme i particullary resonnate with but i agree it already have been brought (not throug and out tho). I don't mind if it's not there as long as what they do is coherent and great, i don't care jump in time, miscontinuity and stuff. And she wouldn't even have to die but i really want to see a space trip, like an extended mega version of the nightcrawler teleportation sequence.

 

[superweirdo87]

10M this weekend according to initial estimates. We'll have to see how the real numbers look tomorrow. Hopefully, it won't fall below 9M in the actual estimate.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It should pass the domestic of the wolverine after the weekend.we are probally
looking at final DOmestic gross of 150 million or possibly slightly higher.

there has been rumblings that when the international numbers come in for the weekend it may hit 500 Million WW.

 

[BeholdMe]

You have a decent future roster. Colossus is still there. Add Iceman, maybe recast Rogue if need be. An older Cyclops can come in as well. Technically all the characters still existed in the DoFP ending. They kinda all looked like professors though so I doubt they are getting the field work they used to.

It will also be interesting to see how Dark Phoenix is handled. Jean was there in the alternate future ending, so you wonder if Dark Phoenix and Jean Grey's death even took place yet. Unless the new timeline ironically ignores that ending or Jean was resurrected yet again after her possible Dark Phoenix episode.

Maybe you do a couple more with the FC cast and hold off on the Phoenix saga or the next trilogy until the actors are old enough to play their OT counterparts convincingly. You probably need another 15 years or so. In the meantime, you can cover Proteus/Sinister/Shadow King. The OT cast is too old to use for another major adaptation like that however.

If they recast Rogue they might as well do so for everyone this isnt a good idea, it's best to introduce a new Rogue in the timeline when they catch up. They don't need to wait 15 years just to do the DPS if they choose to do so they don't have to be that old in a few years they would be mid early twenties which is more than fine let's not reach. I do agree though I think they should focus on either Proteus/Sinister or Shadow King then close the trilogy starting off with the DPS I think would be a good way to handle it. I just don't think 15 years is needed just to tackle the DPS. I'm looking forward to seeing these characters grow into the role. I'm hoping for either Shadow King or Proteus next movie.

 

[X-Maniac]

If anything those restrictions might breed some creativity in terms of developing characters who otherwise might not get the development they deserve due to other characters. If we have Charles, Scott, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat, Beast and Angel in one film like the OT cast, someone is inevitably going to get shafted. They might get to participate in the action like Ant-Man and War Machine due to competent directors like the Russos in CW, but they most certainly won't be treated equally. (Of course, that would be better than what we have now though with characters who lack personality and lines and action more or less)

The problem is that Singer and co keep editing out anything that doesn't drive the plot, by getting rid of character moments and reducing some of the mutants to non-entities.

Civil War did not do this, and it was rewarded by being a more rounded experience - the Spider-Man and Black Panther scenes would never have survived the Fox editing suite, yet they made standout parts in Civil War.

When will this studio learn? Things are edited for 'pacing' and yet the overall product is not balanced after all the snipping and chopping.

Splitting off in the past and present could just be treated as if we had the gold and blue teams. Scott, Jean, Storm, QS, Kurt, Beast, Mystique, and Jubilee (maybe Psylocke/Angel) and then Iceman, Kitty, Rogue, Colossus + other characters (be it Gambit, Wanda, Polaris etc. etc.)

Yes, this is a good way to go. In fact, the past may have more scope and breathing space if Mystique doesn't feature in the next film. I'd like to see Magneto, Quicksilver and Wanda hived off into a House of M movie set on Genosha. Then we could have a past team consisting of Scott, Jean, Storm, Kurt, Jubilee and maybe one newcomer. I'd also like to see the return of Psylocke.

Of course we only really have one decade jump left before we're in the 2000s so after that it wouldn't be unreasonable for the characters to look as they do. They could easily start telling stories in the modern day with Deadpool (depending on where they want Deadpool to take place which could frankly be anywhere from 2016 to 2023)

I'm getting a bit tired of these decade jumps. It's starting to feel contrived, like only one big event happens only once every ten years. I want to see these new X-Men grow, not leap forward ten years again.

 

[superweirdo87]

The point would she has to die and you can't really change time but it would change many things around them, the way she dies... Phoenix is about death and rebirth if they put it for what it is, a cosmic process inherent to all and a force of nature, it would already make a great difference. More if it leads to discovering space and the coming of the Shia'r. They are tons of way to make Phoenix death something amazing.

But even in X3 it was a symbol of peace or something alike, with Angel metaphor and him flying over the destroyed bridge at the end. It was a symbol of peace beetwen mutant and human also symbolized by the realtion beetwen Iceman and Rogue, who got the cure. Her relation parralels Wolverine one since day one. X3 had some stuff going on

The cure storyline is done, it has been mirror in XMA with Apoc enhancement of powers.

The problem is that Singer and co keep editing out anything that doesn't drive the plot, by getting rid of character moments and reducing some of the mutants to non-entities.

Civil War did not do this, and it was rewarded by being a more rounded experience - the Spider-Man and Black Panther scenes would never have survived the Fox editing suite, yet they made standout parts in Civil War.

When will this studio learn? Things are edited for 'pacing' and yet the overall product is not balanced after all the snipping and chopping.



Yes, this is a good way to go. In fact, the past may have more scope and breathing space if Mystique doesn't feature in the next film. I'd like to see Magneto, Quicksilver and Wanda hived off into a House of M movie set on Genosha. Then we could have a past team consisting of Scott, Jean, Storm, Kurt, Jubilee and maybe one newcomer. I'd also like to see the return of Psylocke.



I'm getting a bit tired of these decade jumps. It's starting to feel contrived, like only one big event happens only once every ten years. I want to see these new X-Men grow, not leap forward ten years again.

I agree on the decade jumps, totally. But, I disagree that the movies should try to be balanced. In fact, I think that is one of the biggest problems with this movie. So many characters all dividing up screen-time. Instead of trying to balance things so that sideline characters get their moments, they should just cut the sidelined characters. It is important to have character moments, but they should be the ones that the plot demands.

I would say that trying to balance the movies and give every character their moment would be a mistake.

One user review on Box Office Theory nailed this:
"Remember those people who kept whining Singer didn't do X or Y mutant "justice" in the previous movies because they were sidelined in favor of a tighter focus? they basically won. Singer made this movie for them, for people who always disliked the X-Men movies, and as a result, we got the most episodic, messy, rushed, overstuffed and unfocused X-Men yet.

If X-Men: Apocalypse had picked one of the ten plot lines it tried to juggle, just one, and stuck with it, we would have gotten a much superior movie, you can be sure of that.

Also, I had a big problem with the editing, you know when you feel the shot should have been a few seconds longer? that's basically the entire movie, never letting it breathe properly, I was like calm down for a bit."

 

[superweirdo87]

The OS number was really bad this weekend. ~14-15M in China and ~10-11M in other overseas territories.

 

[kineticist]

The OS number was really bad this weekend. ~14-15M in China and ~10-11M in other overseas territories.

jeez...

 

[marvelrobbins]

from twitter-10 Million domesticly for 136 million domestic total

15 Million this weekend from China-it has grossed 98 million from China

new WW total-478 million

now for those who want to complain about Apocalypse right now future of main X-Men films is up in the air.Kinberg's vauge next X-men film will be set In 1990's doesn't mean anything.no annoucements has been made.

Similar to gambit and new mutants i will believe another X-men film is coming when it has director attached who is making it a priority with a start date.

right now only Weapon X has clear relase date.after that only the deadpool sequel is a sure bet.although who knows when it will get released

 

[kineticist]

Well...at least now (excluding Deadpool) Apoc is now the second highest grossing X-Men movie lol

 

[marvelrobbins]

Ok Box office mojo has updated

Apocalypse has now grossed 136 Million domesticly and 342 million overseas
for 478 Million total WW.it is now third highest grossing X-men Film WW.I am
including deadpool since it's part of X-Men universe as BOM does.It has chance still to hit 500 Million WW before leaving theaters but that's probally best case sceniro at this point.

 

[Avalanche]

and 342 million overseas for 478 Million total WW.it is now third highest grossing X-men Film WW. I am including deadpool since it's part of X-Men universe as BOM does.

Given the explosion in international box office takings in the last five years and the fact the movie performed well in China that worldwide total is still a bit of a travesty.

The movie doesn't have much more legs to it.

I wasn't anticipating the movie would do as well as DoFP, but I've been a little taken aback by just how badly it has under-performed.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Ok Box office mojo has updated

Apocalypse has now grossed 136 Million domesticly and 342 million overseas
for 478 Million total WW.it is now third highest grossing X-men Film WW.I am
including deadpool since it's part of X-Men universe as BOM does.It has chance still to hit 500 Million WW before leaving theaters but that's probally best case sceniro at this point.

great news

 

[marvelrobbins]

Given the explosion in international box office takings in the last five years and the fact the movie performed well in China that worldwide total is still a bit of a travesty.

The movie doesn't have much more legs to it.

I wasn't anticipating the movie would do as well as DoFP, but I've been a little taken aback by just how badly it has under-performed.

The under-performance is why future of X-men franchise is up in the air.except for weapon X which is filming now and deadpool sequel which doesn't
has a release date set who knows if others talked about will actully be made that includes the 90's set X-men film Kinberg talked about.

 

[Electrix]

X-MEN: APOCALYPSE
The latest in Fox’s X-Men franchise has mutated to a $342M overseas cume, coming off of a $25M weekend in 76 international markets. Despite the onslaught of Warcraft in China, XMA held well there to add $14.4M in No. 2. The market cume is 16% bigger than Batman V Superman and 21% above X-Men: Days Of Future Past through same point in Middle Kingdom release. France also held well with a 41% drop in frame four and a $14.2M cume to date. Brazil dipped by 19% also in week four and is 20% bigger than DOFP. The total there is $17.3M. The UK has grossed $24.5M to date while Korea is at $21M. Japan releases in August.

http://deadline.com/2016/06/warcraf...tional-box-office-weekend-results-1201771160/

 

[Superhero 101]

Looks like Apocalypse will slowly crawl its way to 500 WW

 

[Sithborg]

China should easily push the total over $500 mil.

 

[StormC]

I remember predicting 500 million after the early reviews were mixed leaning to bad and people thought I was crazy. Oh, how sad.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

You get what you can get at this point.

 

[sleekstereo]

At this point, they probably should reboot, and have Deadpool the start of a new universe.