Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[superweirdo87]

My thoughts on why X-Men never had the success of some other franchises.

1. Lack of a breakout moment or "lightning in a bottle"-- The Avengers really popped in 2012 in the movie where they came together. It was something people never saw before. The Dark Knight had a gritty and realistic movie that felt new and surprising. The X-Men never had a movie where the broad vision hit the cultural sweet spot like that.

2. Luck. Many ingredients built into that, but luck is one of them.

3. Inconsistency. The Last Stand, Origins:Wolverine, and XM:A.

4. Aesthetic The look is bland and lacking in color. Movies are visual, and color is an important part of contrast and expressiveness. I don't think colorful outfits per se would raise grosses by 30 or 50 or 100 million dollars. But, an aesthetic with more color would be more striking and expressive to viewers.

5. Reliance on the same tropes over and over again. Professor X and Magneto have a difference over mutant-human relations. Wolverine is reluctant and cool.

 

[kineticist]

Yup. Marvel are about to start a revolution with their games stating a new mandate to deliver AAA titles with the best developers and the X-Men will likely be left out in the cold on this.

so sad

Although X-Men are in Contest of Champions and Marvel Heroes so one can only hope...but you're probably right.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well its about time Marvel deliver AAA videogames (Contest of Champions/Marvel Heroes aren't). Ultimate Alliance came out like ten years ago while their best videogames from the past were mostly Spider-Man/X-Men. While videogames like the Lego Marvel/Infinity had their Marvel characters looked like toys.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Better late then never. It's just a shame the X-Men are unlikely to get a sniff, although things can always change.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I like the costumes

TBH the whole costume talk is getting ridiculous, there are people who still say they hate psylockes outfit... So you are damned if you do and damned if you don't

But with Apocalyspe, they were kind of showing that they were moving from those characters and focusing on Scott/Jean/Kurt/Ororo.

that has certainly been emplied that they intend to move some of the focus over but i don't think taking certain characters out or siding them is going to make anything better, infact it could make it worse because people can say oh the audience are sick of magneto... oh ok lets take magneto out i am sure there won't be dozens of folk coming out of the water works asking where magneto is, and believe me judging by the way people go on about wolverine... that would happen.

Best compromise would be to not take things out expecting it to fix anything but more change up the direction, i mean there is certainly a feeling of change by the end of Apocalypse that they can create something fresh and new out of.

 

[kevork89]

X-Men means a lot to me so when they change everything about it for no reason and then make a bad movie on top of it yes I'll be upset.

Because FoX makes these movies the comics suffer and we no longer get video games or animation or steady merchandizing anymore so yes I'll be upset over this crap

Oh please it's all at fault of Fox that Marvel have done that to the X-Men. Forget that Marvel were close to bankruptcy and sold the rights of X-Men and Spider Man to make some money, and then from the success of those films they were able to get into making their own movies. But it's all Fox fault. Are you forgetting that the success of X-Men and Spider Man is what led to the comic book movies we are getting today. Sure it's all business but Marvel can make all of those X-Men stuff they just choose not to because they don't want Fox to make any money on it. Which I fully get they can't risk another movie studio making money off of all their hard work. It's no ones fault really it's just the way it is.

 

[marvelrobbins]

while I don't want to talk much anymore in X-men threads other studios film.let me say is marvel/disney is perfect example of evil corporation.They are consently sabtoging X-men because marvel pre-bankruptcy sold film rights to Fox and fox is doing the great crime of using rights for films they payed for.
X-Men helped revive the genre and then sony with Spider-man exploded the genre.marvel studios took advantage of what Fox and sony started.there contribution was the shared universe concept which unfortuly know that seems to be all most studios and some audences care about.

unlike some i don't worship any studio.escpelly since my politics i feel corporations are destroying the country.fox was stupid when they 1:Listen to josh tranks's pitch for FF 2:they should have just released original version of FF shot by trank and taken the lumps and 3:Fox should just let rights expire in 2022 to FF no more trying to do another film with cast and don't make deal with disney

fox was also complete dummys with promeuths for listening to dmaon Lindeloff.

Apocalypse no matter what the critics say doesn't deserve to be mentioned in same boat as Origins,Last stand,and Spider-man 3.

It's getting tiring for people to let marvel off the hook by contune bashing Fox all the times for changes when marvel makes plenty of changes too.as does WB.Fox is damned for casting a black actor as human torch but marvel can change races and noone says anything.

Spider-man is my second favorate comic book priorety after X-men but you couldn't pay me to see SPider-man:Homecoming after civil war.especilly now that stark is In film.If you think it's just marvel i am critical of think again.I hated Eisenberg's lex luthor In BVS and learning he is in justice league is taking away desire to see it.Star Trek Beyond is probally first star trek film i won't even bother with.right now i a slongtime trekker am more intrigued by CBS streaming show than it.this is 50th annivasy of trek and paramount is doing terrable for 50th annivsary.They are spending more time suing over fanfilm than presenting stuff for 50th annivassry.

I especilly don't want Joss Whedon to do X-men film because after age of ultron he should be keep away from all comic book films and Tv shows.
and by the way i was fan of buffy,angel,firefly,and dollhouse.

if you go back and actully read comic books of X-Men before 2000 the darkness,seriousness,and allegory wasn't invention of films at all.

You can debate all day which X-men characters should be focus of films but someone will always be unhappy.if Magneto and mystique are both absent from next film and focus is on Cyclops,Jean,Xavier,recast Wolverine,and villain then some will complain that others aren't the focus.

 

[YoungBlood]

while I don't want to talk much anymore in X-men threads other studios film.let me say is marvel/disney is perfect example of evil corporation.They are consently sabtoging X-men because marvel pre-bankruptcy sold film rights to Fox and fox is doing the great crime of using rights for films they payed for.
X-Men helped revive the genre and then sony with Spider-man exploded the genre.marvel studios took advantage of what Fox and sony started.there contribution was the shared universe concept which unfortuly know that seems to be all most studios and some audences care about.

unlike some i don't worship any studio.escpelly since my politics i feel corporations are destroying the country.fox was stupid when they 1:Listen to josh tranks's pitch for FF 2:they should have just released original version of FF shot by trank and taken the lumps and 3:Fox should just let rights expire in 2022 to FF no more trying to do another film with cast and don't make deal with disney

fox was also complete dummys with promeuths for listening to dmaon Lindeloff.

Apocalypse no matter what the critics say doesn't deserve to be mentioned in same boat as Origins,Last stand,and Spider-man 3.

It's getting tiring for people to let marvel off the hook by contune bashing Fox all the times for changes when marvel makes plenty of changes too.as does WB.Fox is damned for casting a black actor as human torch but marvel can change races and noone says anything.

Spider-man is my second favorate comic book priorety after X-men but you couldn't pay me to see SPider-man:Homecoming after civil war.especilly now that stark is In film.If you think it's just marvel i am critical of think again.I hated Eisenberg's lex luthor In BVS and learning he is in justice league is taking away desire to see it.Star Trek Beyond is probally first star trek film i won't even bother with.right now i a slongtime trekker am more intrigued by CBS streaming show than it.this is 50th annivasy of trek and paramount is doing terrable for 50th annivsary.They are spending more time suing over fanfilm than presenting stuff for 50th annivassry.

I especilly don't want Joss Whedon to do X-men film because after age of ultron he should be keep away from all comic book films and Tv shows.
and by the way i was fan of buffy,angel,firefly,and dollhouse.

if you go back and actully read comic books of X-Men before 2000 the darkness,seriousness,and allegory wasn't invention of films at all.

You can debate all day which X-men characters should be focus of films but someone will always be unhappy.if Magneto and mystique are both absent from next film and focus is on Cyclops,Jean,Xavier,recast Wolverine,and villain then some will complain that others aren't the focus.

Hey, they're finally showing promotion for Star Trek Beyond, just hoping that its not too late.

Also, with all this talk about AAA games, y'all better hope that Marvel can get developers that can give them their own Arkham, or else we'll be back with more Lego games, mobile games, and Spider-Man games. Too bad Capcom can't do another Marvel vs Capcom.

Hey, do anyone remember Marvel Imperfects: Rise of the Nemesis.

 

[Flint Marko]

while I don't want to talk much anymore in X-men threads other studios film

That's pretty much all I've seen you do, marvelrobbins.

It's getting tiring for people to let marvel off the hook by contune bashing Fox all the times for changes when marvel makes plenty of changes too.as does WB.Fox is damned for casting a black actor as human torch but marvel can change races and noone says anything.

Hey remember the uproar when Idris Elba was cast as a C-list supporting character in Thor? Your myopic viewpoint never ceases to astound me.

if you go back and actully read comic books of X-Men before 2000 the darkness,seriousness,and allegory wasn't invention of films at all.

But the leather outfits, continual focus on only four characters, and the insistence on retreading the same themes over and over again were certainly an invention of the films.

 

[ApophènX]

But the leather outfits, continual focus on only four characters, and the insistence on retreading the same themes over and over again were certainly an invention of the films.

All films do that, espacially trilogy and super hero movies.

As for the leather the relation beetwen X-Men and Matrix is interesting, TAS had a real Matrix feel to it, the way Jubilee is taken by this weird team of mutant with psychic power with this paranoid, dark undertones, the Sentinels felt pretty cyberpunk. So the leather suit are a kind of a feedback to this feelings.

And you can't make movies focusing on too much characters, you follow themes and the other characters will be linked to the progression of the other and the global evolution and resolution. a film is not a tv show or comic. I understand people are bored with it but they closed that chapter with XMA, wich was supposed to clear the flaws of X3 and they went for a more light tone and try to make better costume. I don't see the appeal in repeting all these, they clearly intend to take a new direction we don't need to keep singing about it since this era is over, we can all look at it with nostalgia and little corner smile.

 

[marvelrobbins]

All films do that, espacially trilogy and super hero movies.

As for the leather the relation beetwen X-Men and Latrix is interesting, TAS had a real Matrix feel to it, the way Jubilee is taken by this weir team of mutant with psychic power with this paranoid, dark undertones, Sentinels you named it. So the leather suit are a kind of a feedback to this feelings

And you can't make movies focusing on too much characters, you follow themes and the other characters will be linked to the progression of the other and the global evolution and resolution. a film is not a tv show or comic. I understand people are bored with it but they closed that chapter with XMA, wich was supposed to clear the flaws of X3 and they went for a more light tone and try to make better costume.

Costumes is last thing we should care about.BVS had most accurate of batman costumes and i doudt too many think it's better than the burton and Nolan batman films.Breaking my MCU non-talk I never made big deal the lcassic 616 cap costume was treated as a joke and ultimate costume is one mostly used in cap films.

black leather outfits happened apart form batman & robin there was a time when genre films were heavily influenced by the matrix.even ultimate and 616 X-Men comics had black leather outfits for a time.

change to more colorful outfits instead of black leather outfits doesn't bother me as fan of First 2 X-men films.but saying they aren't really X-Men if they have black leather is a strech.

I defently hope next X_men film no matter who does it has outfits at end of apocalypse.it would be good for contunity

 

[Avalanche]

I like the costumes

I think I like Cylcops the best. I think it's closest to comic book accurate out of the bunch.

Not a fan of Quicksilver's though. Way too bulky for a speedster.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think I like Cylcops the best. I think it's closest to comic book accurate out of the bunch.

Not a fan of Quicksilver's though. Way too bulky for a speedster.

quicksilver's wa sinspired by X_men evolution outfit.with exception of storm's it was easy to tell they were inspired from various ones from comics or animated shows over the years.

 

[marvelrobbins]

apoclaypse made 884,000 on thursday.bringing domestic total to 140 million.
it's being projected to do 6 million this weekend.so soon it should match what first class did in 2011.

 

[kineticist]

I read somewhere China is up to 106m not including the weekend...don't know if that's true tho.

 

[DavidHaller]

apoclaypse made 884,000 on thursday.bringing domestic total to 140 million.
it's being projected to do 6 million this weekend.so soon it should match what first class did in 2011.

uff, these are bad numbers in the united states...whatever! Worldwide it is number 8 in 2016 so far.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think doing badly in the most important market in the world warrants more than a 'whatever.'

 

[Wildcard]

Precisely. Major changes need to be made.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

uff, these are bad numbers in the united states...whatever! Worldwide it is number 8 in 2016 so far.

So what you are saying is it won't be near the top 10 at the end of the year. Heck, it won't be in the top ten by the end of the summer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like the costumes

TBH the whole costume talk is getting ridiculous, there are people who still say they hate psylockes outfit... So you are damned if you do and damned if you don't

Quality matters. Just because it looks like the comic costume, doesn't mean it was executed well.

 

[Flint Marko]

Only one of those costumes I think actually looks good is Cyclops.

 

[2kt09]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stacey-snider-succeed-jim-gianopulos-903614

For the current year, Fox ranks second only to Disney in terms of domestic box-office market share

 

[Supernova]

Costumes arent a big deal, theyll change them again in the next film anyway. It sucks the film isnt performing better but it is still a well done quality movie from top to bottom

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stacey-snider-succeed-jim-gianopulos-903614

What does this have to do with X-Men?

 

[Snikt]

What does this have to do with X-Men?

Because X-Men is a Fox property and Fox is doing pretty well at the domestic box office; despite some of the gloom & doom you might've read here.

Best thing, worldwide gross is a success, domestic not so much, it's done well enuff to justify a sequel but audiences have made it clear they need a little shake up to stay in the game