Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 5

[jaymes_e06]

Because this is X-Men

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So this isn't the X-Men?

Or this?

Etc...
So... none of them are X-Men outside of the photo you chose?

 

[lordofthenerds]

That's why the black costumes never bothered me much... the X-Men's costumes have never been all that consistent.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So... none of them are X-Men outside of the photo you chose?

All of those are preferable to

These costumes contribute to X-Men's lack of box office success along with poor character development outside of Wolverine/Xavier/Magneto/Mystique who people are tired of

 

[jaymes_e06]

^

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

No you didn't get my point. Just because I posted one specific picture you got in your feelings posting a bunch of random pictures which also would be better costume choices then anything Singer approved for any of these films.


The aesthetic plays a big part in the box office whether you agree or not.

 

[Alison Blaire]

This Cast is the best!!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

This Cast is the best!!

I wish it actually looked like that on screen. A bunch of unnecessary changes for no reason turning The Blackbird into the X-Jet smh

 

[BeholdMe]

I'm reluctant to say that the entire concept is simply outdated or doesn't appeal to enough people. Harry Potter is very similar in its basic conflict, with a group of good wizards who live at a school fighting to save regular humans from the evil supremacist wizards. That series never had problems staying relevant.

I disagree with this, the issue isn't the appeal at least I don't think so. They aren't utilizing to the fullest what they have as I stated below, we need someone onboard whom can use the actual XMen the proper way instead of focusing on other things the same things after many movies. This is an XMen film my gosh involve the XMen all of them the background fodder and killing off very popular characters after one movie just has to stop. I hear people all the time complaining how they just screwed up the XFranchise with the characterizations of certain people, being completely different from the comics and always focusing on the same 3 characters. These are issues that are affected the brand it's not a lack of interest in the XMen if done the right way it can do a lot better.

Inconsistent quality (X3, XOW, now Apocalypse)
Costumes/comic accuracy
Overused tropes
Characters from the IP that could sell but aren't allowed to stand out

Is my hypothesis.

This exactly they have in their hands very popular XMen and they either discard them or do nothing with them instead they choose to focus on the same few characters every movie making the others just background fodder. They need to do more with these characters and actually utilize them better. Finally get costumes at the end of the movie not even in action which I can understand with the movie but I'm just saying it came so late.

 

[kevork89]

DoFP was the X-Men movie that made the most at Box Office. So what? If they wore colourful costumes it would have made more money because people would've come to see it for that? No. Costumes aren't the main issue with the franchise. Look the movie that had the colourful costumes was the one that made the least at the total box office. It's not the colour of costume that's the main issue. If it's a good story and well written characters and there's also something thats a draw then it'll do well. First Class sadly was coming off of Last Stand and Origins. It was going to be hard for that film to do well. DoFP and Deadpool made up for a lot of issues with the franchise but then they fell back into a dated routine with Apocalypse and it's taken a hit. Tbh I've always found the X-Men costumes too difficult to transition into a film style. Why ***** and the black costumes when you know that the time they released X-Men was completely different. It was post matrix/dead comic book movies world. They had to make the X-Men more grounded to appeal to people. Why complain about that when we all understand that was the issue. And again DoFP these characters were in a dystopian future setting. Why the hell would they be wearing colourful costumes on the run in such a bleak world?

 

[BeholdMe]

This Cast is the best!!

Except none of the costumes actually looked like that in the film and some of those prominent characters got very little screentime and we're still screwed up. They really just should hire someone else to take over the Franchise. I don't think costumes are the main issue but it does play a part, I was sick of the all black and it was really refreshing seeing more comic accurate costumes on the big screen this time around.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^Agreed BeholdMe putting all the blame on ****ing costumes is just asinine.

No you didn't get my point. Just because I posted one specific picture you got in your feelings posting a bunch of random pictures which also would be better costume choices then anything Singer approved for any of these films.


The aesthetic plays a big part in the box office whether you agree or not.

These costumes...

were also approved of...so... yeah.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

They really just should hire someone else to take over the Franchise. I don't think costumes are the main issue but it does play a part, I was sick of the all black and it was really refreshing seeing more comic accurate costumes on the big screen this time around.

 

[YoungBlood]

DoFP was the X-Men movie that made the most at Box Office. So what? If they wore colourful costumes it would have made more money because people would've come to see it for that? No. Costumes aren't the main issue with the franchise. Look the movie that had the colourful costumes was the one that made the least at the total box office. It's not the colour of costume that's the main issue. If it's a good story and well written characters and there's also something thats a draw then it'll do well. First Class sadly was coming off of Last Stand and Origins. It was going to be hard for that film to do well. DoFP and Deadpool made up for a lot of issues with the franchise but then they fell back into a dated routine with Apocalypse and it's taken a hit. Tbh I've always found the X-Men costumes too difficult to transition into a film style. Why ***** and the black costumes when you know that the time they released X-Men was completely different. It was post matrix/dead comic book movies world. They had to make the X-Men more grounded to appeal to people. Why complain about that when we all understand that was the issue. And again DoFP these characters were in a dystopian future setting. Why the hell would they be wearing colourful costumes on the run in such a bleak world?

Unfortunately some people still don't understand that after all these years.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

These costumes...

were also approved of...so... yeah.

Those costumes look like they were made for Halloween and its hilarious that Singer had to include himself in the picture like he accomplished something. He's been asked by the fans for 16 years to include costumes and he gives us poor cosplay for 1 minute at the end of a bad film. Big whoop

 

[YoungBlood]

Those costumes look like they were made for Halloween and its hilarious that Singer had to include himself in the picture like he accomplished something. He's been asked by the fans for 16 years to include costumes and he gives us poor cosplay for 1 minute at the end of a bad film. Big whoop

Actually, people were happy for those costumes, but keep twisting things to fit your agenda.

Also, considering what was going on in DoFP, I think the last thing that was on any of the mutants minds were "Hey, you know what we should do while fighting for our lives and trying to survive? Let's make colorful costumes so that we can all stand out and get killed by Sentinels."

If some people still can't get over this mentality of "colorful costumes will make the movie better", they you need your priorities checked on how to view a movie.
Colorful costumes would not work in the context of the original films. Not just because of escaping the stigma of Batman and Robin, but also the fact this this X-Men team works more like a Black Ops Team (kind of like the Ultimate X-Men) and for them to do colorful costumes would mean to become an open target for everyone that hates mutants and your enemies. Some may not like black leather, but at least it help them be discreet. Luckily, we're moving away from black leather and are now getting costumes that even though aren't 100% accurate like some want, but have major inspiration from the comic's history and I bet that whoever take the mantle for the next film will keep those designs.

But, you can't make everyone happy.

 

[ApophènX]

The aesthetic plays a big part in the box office whether you agree or not.

I think people dislike this movie because they focus too much on the surface and you're proving my point. Not saying by any mean the movie is a huge moment of cinema or is gonna be a classic of the super hero movie genra (wich still depends on us not the box office) but most of the discussion centering about Angel's age, Mystique acte over Wolvering really aren't anyting than surface stuff.

Now it may seem they did not work their characters developement, wich is still arguable because in a movie with so many characters you can't. So what you do is you focus on some characters wich reflects the more the themes of the movie and all the over characters are gonna play a part in this inter-personna-emotional complex evolving, a smaller part. You know in the end it's like a family, everybody bringing his little stone to the building.

Quicksilver like Storm are gonna end up at school and they were both looking for a father/mother leading figure. They hope to find it in Xavier's school, isn't that the lessage of the X-Men, live your mom's basement they are people for you out there? And Apocalypse was a father figure and more, but they canno't explain evrything with that amount of characters in the movie that is both a rend and a beggining. They did not have over-whelming character devellopment, still they changed in relation to the greater event that occured, events are catalyst and everybody leave transformed.

I'm not saying they can't do better, They can and i hope they will because they are lots of potential in the X-Men. But dueling on the costumes and supposing they are the reason for the box office is really not relevant to me and if you're right well i think ....

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

^Agreed BeholdMe putting all the blame on ****ing costumes is just asinine.

I also said focusing only on Wolverine/Xavier/Magneto/Mystique hurt the franchise

 

[jaymes_e06]

DoFP was the X-Men movie that made the most at Box Office. So what? If they wore colourful costumes it would have made more money because people would've come to see it for that? No. Costumes aren't the main issue with the franchise. Look the movie that had the colourful costumes was the one that made the least at the total box office. It's not the colour of costume that's the main issue. If it's a good story and well written characters and there's also something thats a draw then it'll do well. First Class sadly was coming off of Last Stand and Origins. It was going to be hard for that film to do well. DoFP and Deadpool made up for a lot of issues with the franchise but then they fell back into a dated routine with Apocalypse and it's taken a hit. Tbh I've always found the X-Men costumes too difficult to transition into a film style. Why ***** and the black costumes when you know that the time they released X-Men was completely different. It was post matrix/dead comic book movies world. They had to make the X-Men more grounded to appeal to people. Why complain about that when we all understand that was the issue. And again DoFP these characters were in a dystopian future setting. Why the hell would they be wearing colourful costumes on the run in such a bleak world?

#Preach!

Some here are so out of touch holding today's standards to a film almost 20 years old.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I think people dislike this movie because they focus too much on the surface and you're proving my point. Not saying by any mean the movie is a huge moment of cinema or is gonna be a classic of the super hero movie genra (wich still depends on us not the box office) but most of the discussion centering about Angel's age, Mystique acte over Wolvering really aren't anyting than surface stuff.

X-Men means a lot to me so when they change everything about it for no reason and then make a bad movie on top of it yes I'll be upset.

Because FoX makes these movies the comics suffer and we no longer get video games or animation or steady merchandizing anymore so yes I'll be upset over this crap

 

[BeholdMe]

Lol yes let's pray that they hire on a new team which they likely won't but I'm hoping something happens.

^Agreed BeholdMe putting all the blame on ****ing costumes is just asinine.

These costumes...

were also approved of...so... yeah.

I actually like the majority of these costumes in the film I just wanted a bit more with them like actually seeing them fight in them. That is one of the things that has me excited for the next movie.

 

[jaymes_e06]

I also said focusing only on Wolverine/Xavier/Magneto/Mystique hurt the franchise

Yep that's why... you cracked it. You cracked the ****ing code.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Lol yes let's pray that they hire on a new team which they likely won't but I'm hoping something happens.

 

[ApophènX]

X-Men means a lot to me so when they change everything about it for no reason and then make a bad movie on top of it yes I'll be upset.p

To me it is far from a bad movie, and i have seen Warcraft so i can tell, joke apart, the rest of my post was more interesting for the point you lifted.

I really understand it is important to you, still it is another version of the X-Men, look at it like another member to the family, yeah it's one that is not so awesome as all the other but he carry the core and sole great heart in it.

 

[fallenAngel]

Those costumes look like they were made for Halloween and its hilarious that Singer had to include himself in the picture like he accomplished something. He's been asked by the fans for 16 years to include costumes and he gives us poor cosplay for 1 minute at the end of a bad film. Big whoop

They looked better in the movie I felt.

Most people liked the costumes, but they were a little frustrated that they showed up so late.

The future costumes in Dofp made perfect sense to me, and I liked them fine.

It made sense within the context of Apocalypse for them not to have individual costumes. I'll admit, when I first saw the "flight suits" I was really disappointed because Singer said we'd have colorful costumes. And as someone pointed out, the concept of superheros has never existed in this world. They were more of a paramilitary/task force - so yeah, not exactly X-men but they didn't make these decisions just to PO fans. The decision was made and they were sort of stuck with it.

X-men costumes in the comics are also all over the place, and are often garbage, so if there was ever a franchise that could take some liberty, it would be this. But going forward, this should not be an issue anymore, so at least there is that.

 

[YoungBlood]

I also said focusing only on Wolverine/Xavier/Magneto/Mystique hurt the franchise

But with Apocalyspe, they were kind of showing that they were moving from those characters and focusing on Scott/Jean/Kurt/Ororo.