Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[Loganbabe]

I most certainly agree with you but the list of actors I wrote up have just been villains and the caliber of actors in villain roles in the franchise is incredible but don't worry we have some incredible actors on the good side too. I mean James McAvoy, Jennifer Lawrence, Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Anna Paquin, Ellen Page, Nicholas Hoult, Kelsey Grammer, Alan Cumming etc all amazing talents. We've been blessed with fantastic actors in this series.

Indeed, there isn't any other franchise with better actors. X-Men is truly on a league of its own.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

To be honest, the Sentinels weren't done complete justice in Days of Future Past (we didn't even get Wolverine successfully taking one out!). Now, should they be the main threat of a film again? No. That would be too much of a re-tread. But really, Sentinels need to become a semi-frequent presence in the films as they are in the comics. It would be great if the program was reactivated on a limited basis so every once in a while, the X-Men end up having to deal with them. Keep them in the '70s DOFP style. No need to make them any bigger or deadlier than that. Although it would be nice to hear a "Halt, Mutant" in the TAS style every once in a while.

Madelyne Pryor only would have worked in a theoretical X-Men 4, coming in after Jean was dead, to play hell with the lives of Wolverine and Cyclops (though Cyc died). Doing her when Jean is alive and well doesn't work, and to be honest, it would play better if she just greatly resembled Jean instead of being a straight-up clone.

But I think "Inferno" works if it's another woman in the role. She can be attached to one of the other X-Men, doesn't necessarily have to be Scott, since Madelyne was not a mutant and only was important because she was Cyclops' wife (due to being a wannabe Jean). But it would work best to first establish Illyana and her experiences in dark magic first.

Though, as much as I'm sure the general audience would buy galactic X-Men if you played it right, I don't know about them accepting demonic X-Men. That just seems like a weird stretch for the GA to buy into.

it is kinda sad that, now that you mention it... the classic sentinel robots as we know and love them, in the 70s, never had anyone fighting them.. or destroying them

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Really?

Well to each their own.... I guess.

i wasn't using the term "see" literally.. there's many actors who can have their face painted to look like Sinister.. that parts the easy part. I just don't think Wes is a very good actor what so ever. He's over the top and to theatrical for my liking.. he's not threatening

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I can only judge based on Bentley's performance in American Horror Story, but Bentley seems to be a little stiff. That could just be the nature of the role he's playing, but even when he gets to cut loose as a villain, he doesn't really convince.

I think whoever plays Mr. Sinister needs to strike the right balance between malevolence and gleeful camp and that is tricky to pull off.

Sinister needs Gravitas... something Wes just doesn't have. I'd also prefer he be a british man to be honest.

 

[Sithborg]

Felix Lariviere really stepped up his wig game in comparison to whatever the hell that mess was with DoFP.

Storm's is a bit iffy at times though.

Cranston's performance as Sinister would be great, though.

 

[psylockolussus]

Mystique's the only real anomaly because they made her Xavier's 'sister.'

Havok is from the 60s X-Men (introduced in X-Men 54 in 1969), Darwin is from the secret team of X-Men (revealed in Deadly Genesis as having been sent to Krakoa after the original team vanished there and before the Second Genesis team were recruited). Banshee's also one of the earlier mutants (he was first introduced in X-Men 28 back in 1967).

And I'm not "acting as though" anything. I'm giving information that was stated - I can't remember where - by someone involved with the First Class production. I'm sure it was quoted and discussed on here at the time.

Apart from nodding towards the original male Angel of the early comics, Angel Salvadore was a bit out of place (although she did also provide an aerial adversary to Banshee - and the insect wings looked good. And, in the comics, she was in one version of the Brotherhood (formed by Xorn).

Vaughn had wanted a female Angel in X3, as well as Stacy X and several other things that were dropped when Ratner came on board.

The fact is, though, that there have now been three characters called Angel. Third time lucky we hope.

Lets not forget Angel Dust, who was a fierce silent assassin in Deadpool. Though I'm not sure if her name was ever mentioned in the film. But she's listed as Angel Dust in the credits.

 

[Endeavor]

Lets not forget Angel Dust, who was a fierce silent assassin in Deadpool. Though I'm not sure if her name was ever mentioned in the film. But she's listed as Angel Dust in the credits.

Ajax calls her Angel, at least once that I can remember.

 

[Logan0327]

I don't think he looks the part, but his star power alone would sell the film.

well i dont think looking the part is part of fox's prerogative

 

[jaymes_e06]

Mystique's the only real anomaly because they made her Xavier's 'sister.'

Havok is from the 60s X-Men (introduced in X-Men 54 in 1969), Darwin is from the secret team of X-Men (revealed in Deadly Genesis as having been sent to Krakoa after the original team vanished there and before the Second Genesis team were recruited). Banshee's also one of the earlier mutants (he was first introduced in X-Men 28 back in 1967).

And I'm not "acting as though" anything. I'm giving information that was stated - I can't remember where - by someone involved with the First Class production. I'm sure it was quoted and discussed on here at the time.

Apart from nodding towards the original male Angel of the early comics, Angel Salvadore was a bit out of place (although she did also provide an aerial adversary to Banshee - and the insect wings looked good. And, in the comics, she was in one version of the Brotherhood (formed by Xorn).

Vaughn had wanted a female Angel in X3, as well as Stacy X and several other things that were dropped when Ratner came on board.

The fact is, though, that there have now been three characters called Angel. Third time lucky we hope.

Look I'm very well versed in the X-Men lore...

It's still not making any sense. None of the movie FC were original X-Men except for Beast and they'd have to be really reaching to say any of the others epecially Darwin or the Hellfire Club were in any connection to the "first class" at all.

Wasn't it you who were complaining they didn't follow the comics enough and now you think they are following little known anecdotal references of characters?

Even if that was their intention nothing about the execution points to it having the connections you say other than the uniforms. And Angel didn't even become a beta version of the X-men either so it still is a pretty dumb comparison.

Most of these characters were picked because Singer and Vaughn liked the power displays they would get from them.

 

[psylockolussus]

well i dont think looking the part is part of fox's prerogative

I didn't say it was Fox's prerogative...

 

[jaymes_e06]

Sinister needs Gravitas... something Wes just doesn't have. I'd also prefer he be a british man to be honest.

Oh great another British villain how... original.

 

[psylockolussus]

Oh great another British villain how... original.

I don't think the X-Men film series has too many British villains so I don't see the problem here. I can only think of Ed Skrein, Jason Flemyng and Vinnie Jones who played as a villain in a X-Men movie.

 

[xrs13]

ermmm... Ian McKellen and Brian Cox

 

[psylockolussus]

ermmm... Ian McKellen and Brian Cox

Ray Park is also British.

Personally it doesn't bother me, all of the villains could be British as long as their performance is good.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh great another British villain how... original.

... there's only been Magneto... and technically the character isn't British..

Stryker - suppose to be American (played by scottish (cox), Huston (american), and Helman (Australian)

Magneto - suppose to be German/Jewish (played by English Mckellen) and Fassbender (German - Irish)

Bolivar Trask - amaerican (played by an american (dinklage)

Sebastion Shaw - suppose to be American, rewritten for movie as German, (played by American (Bacon)

Sabertooth - suppose to be Canadaian (played by an Australian)

I'm not seeing any of these villains being "British" in film continuity... and what better character to be British than the Victorian Era Mad Scientist ... WITH THE LAST NAME ESSEX

 

[spideyboy_1111]

ermmm... Ian McKellen and Brian Cox

Cox is Scottish

 

[psylockolussus]

... there's only been Magneto... and technically the character isn't British..

Stryker - suppose to be American (played by scottish (cox), Huston (american), and Helman (Australian)

Magneto - suppose to be German/Jewish (played by English Mckellen) and Fassbender (German - Irish)

Bolivar Trask - amaerican (played by an american (dinklage)

Sebastion Shaw - suppose to be American, rewritten for movie as German, (played by American (Bacon)

Sabertooth - suppose to be Canadaian (played by an Australian)

I'm not seeing any of these villains being "British" in film continuity... and what better character to be British than the Victorian Era Mad Scientist ... WITH THE LAST NAME ESSEX

Yeah Essex is a place in England.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Indeed, there isn't any other franchise with better actors. X-Men is truly on a league of its own.

Yet First Class, the second best X-Men film imho, doesn't even have it's own forum....Why is that? Seems strange to me.

 

[xrs13]

Cox is Scottish

Last time I checked Scotland didn't win their referendum and are still part of Britain

 

[Sithborg]

Yet First Class, the second best X-Men film imho, doesn't even have it's own forum....Why is that? Seems strange to me.

Old forums are eventually merged to make way for the new films.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I see, makes sense. Just seems like the forgotten child.

 

[Avalanche]

I'm not crazy about the helmet but I think his costume looks outstanding here. Great stuff.

 

[X-Maniac]

Look I'm very well versed in the X-Men lore...

It's still not making any sense. None of the movie FC were original X-Men except for Beast and they'd have to be really reaching to say any of the others epecially Darwin or the Hellfire Club were in any connection to the "first class" at all.

Wasn't it you who were complaining they didn't follow the comics enough and now you think they are following little known anecdotal references of characters?

Even if that was their intention nothing about the execution points to it having the connections you say other than the uniforms. And Angel didn't even become a beta version of the X-men either so it still is a pretty dumb comparison.

Most of these characters were picked because Singer and Vaughn liked the power displays they would get from them.

I can see you want to argue but all of this is irrelevant drivel.

The fact remains that there have been three flying characters called Angel. (and also the superstrong Angel in Deadpool).

It's the repetition and re-doing of characters that is getting tedious. It smacks of no overall planning at all.

If they did read the comics properly and make proper plans with character maps (like a novelist does when writing some long saga), we wouldn't be in this pickle of multiple characters with the same name popping up just because.

They need to get their house in order.

 

[BeholdMe]

I can see you want to argue but all of this is irrelevant drivel.

The fact remains that there have been three flying characters called Angel. (and also the superstrong Angel in Deadpool).

It's the repetition and re-doing of characters that is getting tedious. It smacks of no overall planning at all.

If they did read the comics properly and make proper plans with character maps (like a novelist does when writing some long saga), we wouldn't be in this pickle of multiple characters with the same name popping up just because.

They need to get their house in order.

Just because it has been numerous characters onscreen named Angel, you we're speaking like they were all done in justice of the original Angel from the comics and other than this one in Apocalypse and the one from X3 they have all been different characters who only share a name. Dosent make them the same character or them paying heritage to sans character. Angel Dust was superseding and durable, a seperate character from the comics. Angel(female) had the insect wings and was able to spit up fireballs, also a seperate character from the comics. They weren't trying to rehash him with those. There have only been 2 incarnations of Angel onscreen. Unless I'm missing what your saying.

 

[BoredGuy]

I'm not crazy about the helmet but I think his costume looks outstanding here. Great stuff.

the more I've seen of it, the more I dislike it, actually
it's way too busy, the colors clash imo, and yes the helmet looks terrible

The one thing FC did right was it got the helmet perfect... but Singer's just gotta keep f***in with it

Just because it has been numerous characters onscreen named Angel, you we're speaking like they were all done in justice of the original Angel from the comics and other than this one in Apocalypse and the one from X3 they have all been different characters who only share a name. Dosent make them the same character or them paying heritage to sans character. Angel Dust was superseding and durable, a seperate character from the comics. Angel(female) had the insect wings and was able to spit up fireballs, also a seperate character from the comics. They weren't trying to rehash him with those. There have only been 2 incarnations of Angel onscreen. Unless I'm missing what your saying.

Also, those characters are all canonically called Angel, I mean hell, there's two different Warren-Angels in the comics right now. So while it could confuse the one audience member who actually paid attention to Zoe Kravitz' name, at least it's source accurate, lol