Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

[spideyboy_1111]

Look I'm very well versed in the X-Men lore...

It's still not making any sense. None of the movie FC were original X-Men except for Beast and they'd have to be really reaching to say any of the others epecially Darwin or the Hellfire Club were in any connection to the "first class" at all.

Wasn't it you who were complaining they didn't follow the comics enough and now you think they are following little known anecdotal references of characters?

Even if that was their intention nothing about the execution points to it having the connections you say other than the uniforms. And Angel didn't even become a beta version of the X-men either so it still is a pretty dumb comparison.

Most of these characters were picked because Singer and Vaughn liked the power displays they would get from them.

i think both fo you are right and wrong personally...


1) FC was a conceptualized as a prequel to the OT ... so there's no way any of the OT roster would have been used aside from Beast (thus why beast is used)

2) It's no surprise that Havok and Banshee were used considering they were some of the only early generation Xmen left..

3) Angel S was not used as a play on for Angel. Vaughn liked the character and there really wasn't a whole lot of females left to dig from either.. couple that with wanting more ethnicity, and needing a flyer... it made sense.

4) Darwin was a new, popular mutant in the comics at the time the film was being made, and only survivor aside from vulcan, of the "forgotten x-men team" he made sense and fit well into the time period. I doubt he was chosen souly on powers.. because they served little purpose to the story.

Here's a list of X-men in order of recruitment and what real options they could have used... (crossed out means logically wouldn't use)

-Prof X
[BLACKOUT]-Jean[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Cyclops[/BLACKOUT]
-Beast
[BLACKOUT]-Angel[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Iceman[/BLACKOUT]
---------------
[BLACKOUT]-Mimic[/BLACKOUT]- too similar to mystique
[BLACKOUT]Morph/Changeling[/BLACKOUT]- see above
-Havok
[BLACKOUT]-Polaris[/BLACKOUT] - too soon for a magneto child
-----------------
[BLACKOUT]-Petra[/BLACKOUT] -irrelevant
[BLACKOUT]-Sway[/BLACKOUT] - irrelevant
-Darwin - relevant at the time
[BLACKOUT]-Vulcan - relevant at the time, but we already have a Summers brother.. no need for 2[/BLACKOUT]
----------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Storm[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Colossus[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Wolverine [/BLACKOUT] didn't want the film to feature wolverine again
-Sunfire
-Thunderbird
-Banshee
[BLACKOUT]-Nightcrawler[/BLACKOUT]
------------------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Kitty Pryde[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Rogue[/BLACKOUT]
-Longshot
-Dazzler
[BLACKOUT]-Psylocke (obviously wanted to save her for a 80s/90s roster)[/BLACKOUT]
-Forge (sort of repetitive when we have beast in FC?)
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New Mutants (obviously wanted to be used for later)
-Cannon Ball
-Wolfsbane
-Karma
-Moonstar
-Sunspot
-Magma
-Magik
-Warlock
-Cypher
---------------------------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Gambit[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Jubilee[/BLACKOUT]
-Bishop - (obviously wanted to use later)
-Marrow
-Maggot
---------------------------
-Bird Brain
-Firefist
-Skids
-Rictor
-Boom Boom
-Cable
-Warpath
-Shatterstar
-Feral

the only real flying Brotherhood member left was Angel... and a character that Vaughn not only wanted.. but fit in best with what they wanted to showcase.

 

[BoredGuy]

yikes, that's quite the wall
still find it funny that FC killed the mutant who's power it is to not ever die
and of course the only black guy in the movie too

 

[BeholdMe]

the more I've seen of it, the more I dislike it, actually
it's way too busy, the colors clash imo, and yes the helmet looks terrible

The one thing FC did right was it got the helmet perfect... but Singer's just gotta keep f***in with it



Also, those characters are all canonically called Angel, I mean hell, there's two different Warren-Angels in the comics right now. So while it could confuse the one audience member who actually paid attention to Zoe Kravitz' name, at least it's source accurate, lol

I'm not saying they aren't canonically called Angel, I'm going by the original Angel-Warren his has only appeared in two movies.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Last time I checked Scotland didn't win their referendum and are still part of Britain

they're all part of the UK .. but being Scottish vs Being British in accent and culture can be quite different... should i have said "English" instead of "British?" sounds like you're nick picking.

 

[BeholdMe]

i think both fo you are right and wrong personally...


1) FC was a conceptualized as a prequel to the OT ... so there's no way any of the OT roster would have been used aside from Beast (thus why beast is used)

2) It's no surprise that Havok and Banshee were used considering they were some of the only early generation Xmen left..

3) Angel S was not used as a play on for Angel. Vaughn liked the character and there really wasn't a whole lot of females left to dig from either.. couple that with wanting more ethnicity, and needing a flyer... it made sense.

4) Darwin was a new, popular mutant in the comics at the time the film was being made, and only survivor aside from vulcan, of the "forgotten x-men team" he made sense and fit well into the time period. I doubt he was chosen souly on powers.. because they served little purpose to the story.

Here's a list of X-men in order of recruitment and what real options they could have used... (crossed out means logically wouldn't use)

-Prof X
[BLACKOUT]-Jean[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Cyclops[/BLACKOUT]
-Beast
[BLACKOUT]-Angel[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Iceman[/BLACKOUT]
---------------
[BLACKOUT]-Mimic[/BLACKOUT]- too similar to mystique
[BLACKOUT]Morph/Changeling[/BLACKOUT]- see above
-Havok
[BLACKOUT]-Polaris[/BLACKOUT] - too soon for a magneto child
-----------------
[BLACKOUT]-Petra[/BLACKOUT] -irrelevant
[BLACKOUT]-Sway[/BLACKOUT] - irrelevant
-Darwin - relevant at the time
[BLACKOUT]-Vulcan - relevant at the time, but we already have a Summers brother.. no need for 2[/BLACKOUT]
----------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Storm[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Colossus[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Wolverine [/BLACKOUT] didn't want the film to feature wolverine again
-Sunfire
-Thunderbird
-Banshee
[BLACKOUT]-Nightcrawler[/BLACKOUT]
------------------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Kitty Pryde[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Rogue[/BLACKOUT]
-Longshot
-Dazzler
[BLACKOUT]-Psylocke (obviously wanted to save her for a 80s/90s roster)[/BLACKOUT]
-Forge (sort of repetitive when we have beast in FC?)
--------------------------------------
New Mutants (obviously wanted to be used for later)
-Cannon Ball
-Wolfsbane
-Karma
-Moonstar
-Sunspot
-Magma
-Magik
-Warlock
-Cypher
---------------------------------------
[BLACKOUT]-Gambit[/BLACKOUT]
[BLACKOUT]-Jubilee[/BLACKOUT]
-Bishop - (obviously wanted to use later)
-Marrow
-Maggot
---------------------------
-Bird Brain
-Firefist
-Skids
-Rictor
-Boom Boom
-Cable
-Warpath
-Shatterstar
-Feral

the only real flying Brotherhood member left was Angel... and a character that Vaughn not only wanted.. but fit in best with what they wanted to showcase.

I'm saying she was still an original character from the comics not someone they made up for the movie. She had some history in the comic books. Whether they needed a female or what she still wasn't Angel-Warren only shared a similar name.
Edit: I don't think many people are doubting Darwin being on the team just that since his powers are to evolve he shouldn't have just died like that

 

[xrs13]

they're all part of the UK .. but being Scottish vs Being British in accent and culture can be quite different... should i have said "English" instead of "British?" sounds like you're nick picking.

Nope I was just saying cox is British based on the original poster saying about British villain actors. Just because English and Scottish values may be slightly different we are still classed as Britain/British and thus fit the description. The nitpick came from you saying he was Scottish.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Nope I was just saying cox is British based on the original poster saying about British villain actors. Just because English and Scottish values may be slightly different we are still classed as Britain/British and thus fit the description. The nitpick came from you saying he was Scottish.

the whole post is likely about accents... which was my point.. the Scots have more in common with the Irish and Welsh than the English... and they have their own unique accent. that's my point. and likely the point Jaymes was trying to make..

that and villains are often British (and by British i mean english sounding) we are from the US. we are stupid and don't go by your UK logic lol

 

[xrs13]

the whole post is likely about accents... which was my point.. the Scots have more in common with the Irish and Welsh than the English... and they have their own unique accent. that's my point. and likely the point Jaymes was trying to make..

that and villains are often British (and by British i mean english sounding) we are from the US. we are stupid and don't go by your UK logic lol

Hahaha sorry I get what you mean, more like the thespian type actors

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Darwin's "death" in FC could be used as a excuse to bring him back with an accurate look. There's way to many pretty people at the Mansion. Maybe the severity of Shaw's attack took Darwin a long tine to recover from and he never went to 1407 Graymalkin before so he'd have to reason to meet up with them again until now

We need more Stacey X Doop Darwin Rockslide Anole etc type characters living there

 

[GuestStar2004]

Darwins death was likely to show how powerful shaw was by showing he could adapt to a lot but not to shaws power, since you see his body changing to adapt to it before he supposedly dies

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Darwins death was likely to show how powerful shaw was by showing he could adapt to a lot but not to shaws power, since you see his body changing to adapt to it before he supposedly dies

Darwin's death was them showing that the minority dies first. Which sucks because this is the one franchise that should be above that.

The thing I hate about FoX is this. They don't understand or possibly don't care (which is most likely) the effect they have on X-Men Comics. Darwin's dead in FC? Well now Marvel makes him irrelevant in the comics. There's numerous examples of this.


So not only does every character suck or get the shaft in this franchise except Magneto Wolverine Xavier or Mystique but now it effects the monthly issues.


It's so frustrating being a X-Fan we don't get many minorities or women on screen we don't get any video games or animation and the actual comics get reduced to a handful of titles it's beyond annoying now

 

[spideyboy_1111]

yikes, that's quite the wall
still find it funny that FC killed the mutant who's power it is to not ever die
and of course the only black guy in the movie too

you can really tell they basically went down the roster, and said "who haven't we used, and who makes sense?

Banshee was likely chosen over sunfire and warpath due to the Syrin connection from X2 as well.. that and he is far more well known than those two.

 

[BeholdMe]

you can really tell they basically went down the roster, and said "who haven't we used, and who makes sense?

Banshee was likely chosen over sunfire and warpath due to the Syrin connection from X2 as well.. that and he is far more well known than those two.

Is Siryn still going to exist since he died at a younger age? Or just make her older in this new timeline.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Is Siryn still going to exist since he died at a younger age? Or just make her older in this new timeline.

Im just hoping he and emma arn't really dead... and people just think they are.. no body shown and all...

 

[Mars123]

Im just hoping he and emma arn't really dead... and people just think they are.. no body shown and all...

Actually Emma be an easy one to umdead!! Perhaps she used her powers to persuade the other experimenter guy to let her go and tell trash she was dead... No worse than any other resurrections in the xmen world lol

 

[GuestStar2004]

you can make an excuse to how banshee or emma are alive but it really depends on whether at any point they actually make any effort too

 

[Mad Ones]

If they brought Emma back the X-continuinity minions will be out in full force on here.

 

[def28]

Emma Frost is too big of a character to leave out indefinitely. It's just a matter of when.

It's such a throw away line that general audiences won't even bat an eye. All it did was piss off fans they would so casually kill a major character to X-Men lore. Didn't help DOFP for dramatic effect given all the other deaths or the franchise as a whole. Made that FC ending just seem odd as well.

Only real argument is that alot of fans didn't like Jones in the role, mainly a recast was being asked for.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Bringing them back hoping no one watches DOFP again and notices that line probably isn't likely.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

you can make an excuse to how banshee or emma are alive but it really depends on whether at any point they actually make any effort too

I think both are easy to bring back without continuity issues at all... Emma's power-set explains all of that.. and I could see Banshee explained by Moira at the CIA taking him into protective custody... as for Xavier.. well he didn't react to or let Magneto know he knew they were dead or alive.. it was just Erik reacting to it in his anger over Xavier..

 

[Mad Ones]

Bringing them back hoping no one watches DOFP again and notices that line probably isn't likely.

Fans here certainly will. I'm anticipating years of continuity error complaints or fantasy off-camera justifications.

January Jones was a missed opportunity. And they got the diamond effect so perfect.

 

[def28]

Bringing them back hoping no one watches DOFP again and notices that line probably isn't likely.

Ok Gueststar. The X-Men franchise will never use Emma Frost again.

It's a throw away line, from a death we didn't see that can be corrected with a ton of excuses. She's a telepath and already was shown giving illusions and fooling people.

And again...most peoplee just would't give a ****. It won't affect the quality of whatever film or tv show she would appear in. Especially if said character is represented well.

 

[Endeavor]

If they brought Emma back the X-continuinity minions will be out in full force on here.

LOL

I've given up on them making any sense whatsoever.
So, sure, bring Emma back.
What the hell, bring the bug Angel back too. I want to see her get killed.
hate that character.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I think both are easy to bring back without continuity issues at all... Emma's power-set explains all of that.. and I could see Banshee explained by Moira at the CIA taking him into protective custody... as for Xavier.. well he didn't react to or let Magneto know he knew they were dead or alive.. it was just Erik reacting to it in his anger over Xavier..

Like i said you can make excuses for them to come back but it depends whether they make any effort too and so far effort with certain characters hasn't been a big thing with this franchise

 

[Endeavor]

Like i said you can make excuses for them to come back but it depends whether they make any effort too and so far effort with certain characters hasn't been a big thing with this franchise

That's exactly the problem. They don't care enough to put that much thought into it.