Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

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The Fox employee spoilers are true?

That was a random person making stuff up, not an Fox employee. Those "spoilers" clashed with the trailers, set visits and now these Empire articles.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That was a random person making stuff up, not an Fox employee. Those "spoilers" clashed with the trailers, set visits and now these Empire articles.

Well there is clashing or missing certain details, is it for sure clashing?

 

[def28]

No, comics films tend to definitively dispose of issues that the comics have to keep around indefinitely, due to the different demands of the media. That's why most villains are killed after one film (and even those that aren't are generally not seen again), whereas in the comics they keep coming back.

Stryker is still around no? League of Shadows didn't come back? Deadpool still shooting lasers? Last I checked Cyclops, Jean, Xavier and Psylocke died in a film less then 10 years ago. Things change in this series and others. And things are repeated often when they go over a decade.

Sentinels are too big of a part of the X-Men universe to be left out for good. Might be 5 years or 10, but someone is gonna want to use them. Given all the crazy **** in X-Men it's not that big of a reach.

 

[Smilodon]

Matt Reeves for the next X-Men film! Fox better snatch this guy up before someone else does! I'm interested in seeing some fresh blood in this franchise, and hopefully after Apocalypse/Deadpool, the franchise is an appealing gig for directors. I'm also sure Fox wouldn't bring in Singer's team if someone new came. It'l be Singer as the producer, and Kinberg joining the new guy's team as writer/producer.

Proteus would be a cool villain to see. Might be good to take it down a notch after the earth-shattering nature of Apocalypse. Give some time for other properties to develop and then do a crossover with a big villain. Phoenix, Sinister etc.

I'd also think it'd be cool for the next film's title to be, "The Uncanny X-Men"

 

[def28]

Reeves would be cool

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

They did the Sentinels in DOFP. There's no reason to think they're going back to that well.

They didn't really do the Sentinel's


Bastion Nimrod Master Mold and The Omega Sentinel's aren't just regular Sentinel's they'd be the hardest challenge yet

 

[def28]

Pretty sure they just can't use Mystique DNA Sentinels. Which is more then fine.

Robotics won't stop becoming a part of the future.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Then what's the point of them? Just to have them there?

 

[X-Maniac]

What should the subtitle be?

X-Men: The Proteus Saga
X-Men: The Mutant Massacre
X-Men: Night of the Sentinel's
X-Men: Children of the Atom
X-Men: Inferno
X-Men: Sinister
X-Men: Day's of Future Present
X-Men: Operation Zero Tolerance
X-Men: Age of Apocalypse
X-Men: Legions Quest

None of the above, lol....

Those are unimaginative or clunky and do not work as film titles at all.

Here's some I think would work... most are particular stories, of course

X-Men: Zero Tolerance
X-Men: Mutant Massacre
X-Men: Project Proteus (still not quite sure of this) or Proteus Rising? Curse of Proteus? The Proteus Code? Or take out Proteus and call it X-Men: Dark Son Rising ???
X-Men: Battle of the Atom
X-Men: Messiah Complex
X-Men: House of M
X-Men: Second Coming
X-Men: Second Genesis
X-Men: The Omega Code

I'll flick through my comics later to see if i can find any more good titles. But I know there are loads.

They could borrow the title without the story (a la First Class) or do the story associated with the title.

 

[Smilodon]

They can have other villains use the Sentinels too. That's what he means. In the original, X2, Fox never let Singer give Stryker his Sentinels. A movie down the line could bring back that plotline back with an updated Sentinel. Mark V or VII or whatever. Or a different Mark X without adaptive capabilities etc.

 

[BeholdMe]

No, comics films tend to definitively dispose of issues that the comics have to keep around indefinitely, due to the different demands of the media. That's why most villains are killed after one film (and even those that aren't are generally not seen again), whereas in the comics they keep coming back.


If you look at those three issues, there's not really that much to the story. TAS did a pretty solid adaptation of it in two twenty-minute episodes. And Proteus, while powerful, doesn't really strike me as a foe that could carry a film; he doesn't really have any great plans. It'd just be the X-Men brawling with him. I guess it could be expanded on somehow.

If Singer was thinking about Proteus, it'll be interesting to see what this movie tells us about Moira's life over the intervening twenty years.

There is quite a bit he was trapped for so long at her laboratory he has bad blood with his father. Him body swapping with different people trying to get to his father for revenge because the energy from his power disintegrates flesh over time. He found his father and held his mom hostage while the XMen tried to save civilians and battle him at the same time. He sensed Storms immense power and we have that hurricane battle, that inter turmoil with Moira/XMen and Proteus. The battle would be big I mean they could really make it work and there's a lot to play with for that story I can see that working.

 

[X-Maniac]

They can have other villains use the Sentinels too. That's what he means. In the original, X2, Fox never let Singer give Stryker his Sentinels. A movie down the line could bring back that plotline back with an updated Sentinel. Mark V or VII or whatever. Or a different Mark X without adaptive capabilities etc.

Definitely without the adaptive capabilities, but they could still have various defence mechanisms and counter measures - just not the robo-shapeshifting thing going on...

 

[Neno_Kos]

Then what's the point of them? Just to have them there?

The point is you can't really change the future, just delay it. Timeline will always correct it self at one point. Sentinels will still exist in this timeline but maybe later in storyline and Days of Future Past event and that future is just postponed. Obviously it wont be with Mystique's DNA. We are probably going to see more classic Sentinels, and Master Mold.

It would just add another dimension to this universe.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You can't really top DOFP when it comes to the sentinels, even with the comic that's likely when the sentinels fully served their purpose, so really bringing them back would just be to for the sake of bringing them back to do what sentinels do, hunt mutants right?

 

[def28]

Then what's the point of them? Just to have them there?

Are you that new to X-Men?

 

[GuestStar2004]

The point is you can't really change the future, just delay it. Timeline will always correct it self at one point. Sentinels will still exist in this timeline but maybe later in storyline and Days of Future Past event and that future is just postponed. Obviously it wont be with Mystique's DNA. We are probably going to see more classic Sentinels, and Master Mold.

It would just add another dimension to this universe.

That just adds confusion really, in the end it would really take away the importance of the DOFP ending when you say it was kinda pointless because the sentinels came back but this time mystique didn't get caught

 

[GuestStar2004]

Are you that new to X-Men?

There is X-Men and there is the film series which follows film rules, which one are you talking about?

 

[def28]

There is X-men and there is the film series which followed movie rules, which one are you talking about?

Since when has the X-Men films series followed rules. Or left villains and characters gone forever?

There is no way around it, when something has as much of a pivotal presence as Sentinels in the source they are gonna show up. DOFP did not cut off other film makers from ever using them.

Maybe in X-Force. Maybe in new Mutants. Maybe in Deadpool as a joke.Maybe in a danger room scenario in the past X-Men films. Maybe they will be a huge presence in a non Brian Singer related X-Men film 10 years from now. There are a number of scenarios they could pop up in.

Why would anyone use sentinels? Cause they are good for show/fodder and a classic part of X-Men. I know it's a crazy but people really like to see the X-Men fight these things. A lot.

 

[Smilodon]

The important thing about DOFP is making sure the apocalyptic future doesn't happen. Sentinels can still return. It won't render Mystique's choice and the sacrifices of the OT mutants useless. Robert Kelly, Stryker, anyone could find a way to illegitimately reinstate the program. There's no need to treat them like the Mark X in the 2023 future. Just make them like the Ultron drones. Mindless things for the X-Men to take out.

 

[CaptainCanada]

Stryker is still around no? League of Shadows didn't come back? Deadpool still shooting lasers? Last I checked Cyclops, Jean, Xavier and Psylocke died in a film less then 10 years ago. Things change in this series and others. And things are repeated often when they go over a decade.

Stryker was the main villain in X2 (and Wolverine Origins, which was mandated by the nature of the film). He's appeared in the current prequels as a supporting player. The rest of the things you're citing are character reboots.

The X-Men have tons of villains, and the films generally prefer to market new and different villains as part of the incentive to see the film. Hence, why villain concepts are rarely revisited.

X-Men: Project Proteus (still not quite sure of this) or Proteus Rising? Curse of Proteus? The Proteus Code? Or take out Proteus and call it X-Men: Dark Son Rising ???

If they were doing the Proteus story, they'd just call it X-Men: Proteus.

 

[def28]

Stryker was the main villain in X2 (and Wolverine Origins, which was mandated by the nature of the film). He's appeared in the current prequels as a supporting player. The rest of the things you're citing are character reboots.

The X-Men have tons of villains, and the films generally prefer to market new and different villains as part of the incentive to see the film. Hence, why villain concepts are rarely revisited.

So "character reboots" didn't happen as a part of the story? And Stryker playing less of a role doesn't make it revising the same thing? Nor does Magneto in like every X-Men movie?

These films revisit and revive just like the comics do.

 

[X-Maniac]

That just adds confusion really, in the end it would really take away the importance of the DOFP ending when you say it was kinda pointless because the sentinels came back but this time mystique didn't get caught

There are 50 years between DoFP's past and future. A lot can happen - and will happen - in that time.

I'm sure someone will find a way to appropriate Trask's mutant detection technology during that time, even if just for one Sentinel (Nimrod).

The X-Men never got to battle the original 70s Sentinels in DoFP (well, apart from Wolverine and Beast).

 

[Takato]

New image from USA Today.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Since when has the X-Men films series followed rules. Or left villains and characters gone forever?

There is no way around it, when something has as much of a pivotal presence as Sentinels in the source they are gonna show up. DOFP did not cut off other film makers from ever using them.

The moment whoever decides to bring them back they have to be aware that yes it may feel like a slight undo to the ending to DOFP which the setinels were a very deadly threat in and to try and hide it you would have to make all this effort to show there is no way it can happen again as these sentinels are just around to be canon fodder because the X-Men need setinels like in the comics and they are clearly out of ideas

I could see it in a dangerroom scenario where it was a fun little training cameo where you see the 70s sentinels programmed for training purposes so they are restrained

 

[X-Maniac]

Stryker was the main villain in X2 (and Wolverine Origins, which was mandated by the nature of the film). He's appeared in the current prequels as a supporting player. The rest of the things you're citing are character reboots.

We have had more than enough Stryker now. Hopefully X-Men: Apocalypse is the end of that.

The X-Men have tons of villains, and the films generally prefer to market new and different villains as part of the incentive to see the film. Hence, why villain concepts are rarely revisited.

Magneto has come back loads of times, and so has Stryker. They've had two goes at Emma Frost, two goes at Psylocke, two goes at Trask, three goes at Angel and they will no doubt continue doing that sort of thing if it serves the film.

Someone else could easily develop a Sentinel-type mechanical weapon. Probably a human villain/organisation. But it's possible.

If they were doing the Proteus story, they'd just call it X-Men: Proteus.

Seems a little brief and non-descriptive of anything. But it's possible.