Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 40

[Havok83]

I don't even know what their plans are even for Psylocke.

Its okay. Im pretty sure neither do they

 

[mightiest_mortal]

A character like Psylocke could get her own movie, a character like Jean... probably not

Psylocke could never support her own film. She's a pretty terrible (and at the very least racially-insensitive) character really. I only ever really found her interesting in the 90s until it was revealed that that was all just Kwannon's influence anyway.

 

[dax]

I still don't understand why they feel this next film has to be set in the 1990s. How does that time period serve the plot? In my opinion, XA being set in the 80s did absolutely nothing for the story line. Just bad hair, bad clothes and great music. Why can't it just be set in the modern day alongside Deadpool's universe?

The whole point of these time period films is to fill in the gaps between Days of Future Past and its ending where Wolverine returns to the future and sees everyone alive including Jean and Cyclops. With the original trilogy and the Wolverine erased from the timeline (only 75% of Origins still exist, especially when Apocalypse recreated certain scenes from the film), people would want to know what the X-men universe now looks like in the new timeline. So far, we have Apocalypse and Deadpool to fill those gaps and soon, we'll have the next film covering the 90's but the filmmakers will have to eventually bring back Patrick Stewart to play 60-year old Xavier. He was that age when he first played the role in X1 so it's only fair to have him return as Xavier.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The whole point of these time period films is to fill in the gaps between Days of Future Past and its ending where Wolverine returns to the future and sees everyone alive including Jean and Cyclops. With the original trilogy and the Wolverine erased from the timeline (only 75% of Origins still exist, especially when Apocalypse recreated certain scenes from the film), people would want to know what the X-men universe now looks like in the new timeline. So far, we have Apocalypse and Deadpool to fill those gaps and soon, we'll have the next film covering the 90's but the filmmakers will have to eventually bring back Patrick Stewart to play 60-year old Xavier. He was that age when he first played the role in X1 so it's only fair to have him return as Xavier.

Patrick wouldnt pass for a 60 year old now, unless you CGI de-age him in which case what's the point?

 

[Abudefduf]

I watched it yesterday and, uh, it's definitely not a bad film. I'd even go as far as saying that, outside of Singer's usual habit of wasting potentially great characters in thankless roles (Apocalypse and especially his knights outside of Magneto, their reasons for joining him were sketchy at best), it's a perfectly fine film.
The pacing flows reasonably well, the plot makes enough sense, and the cast for the most part is very good. It's nothing astounding, mind you, it's actually very predictable; but it's no Last Stand-level disaster either. The FX and the large-scale action scenes were surprisingly bad though.

However, I stand by what I said a few days ago: Bryan needs a break, since it really seems he can't bring anything new to the franchise anymore (can't wait for his 20,000 Leagues movie, btw, love that novel and I think he has the potential to do it justice), and trapping the cast in the past is a mistake.
Granted, it's a mistake that at this point it's way too late to fix, but still. That's how I feel.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Perhaps we won't get a new X-Men team movie until after New Mutants, Wolverine and Deadpool 2.. I doubt Gambit is happening anytime soon. So Maybe 2019. X1,X2,X3 all had three year gaps and so did FC and DoFP. There was only 2 in between DoFP and XA. Let's have the X-Men take a breather xD

Singer wants to bring back OT cast because X3 was disappointing. After DOFP retconning the timeline, we expected a new movie starring original cast setting in modern day, erasing original trilogy and The Wolverine/the25moments.

In present we could have Cyclops Jean Storm. They can decide possibly cameos among Wolverine Beast Kurt Colossus Iceman Rogue Kitty. I'd rather to see Angel Psylocke Gambit in x-team. Cannonball can also appear.

No need Raven and Quiksilver. I want them leaving x-men and going back in their own. Magneto (McKellen) can be the ruler in Asteroid M or Genosha.

 

[marvelrobbins]

The whole point of these time period films is to fill in the gaps between Days of Future Past and its ending where Wolverine returns to the future and sees everyone alive including Jean and Cyclops. With the original trilogy and the Wolverine erased from the timeline (only 75% of Origins still exist, especially when Apocalypse recreated certain scenes from the film), people would want to know what the X-men universe now looks like in the new timeline. So far, we have Apocalypse and Deadpool to fill those gaps and soon, we'll have the next film covering the 90's but the filmmakers will have to eventually bring back Patrick Stewart to play 60-year old Xavier. He was that age when he first played the role in X1 so it's only fair to have him return as Xavier.

Actully origins is mostly erased too.except for the pre-vietnam begining.

The plan seems to be to do X-men films In past with new younger cast
now that they can ignore original trilogy.The plan seems to be to do spin-offs in present or future although it still remains to be seen if new mutants and Gambit will be in past or present.

They will probally only use stewart for films set in present or future.If new mutants is in present they they would use him.if X-23 ends up at mansion at end of wolverine film maybe they would have Him cameo In X-force.

I feel like they are planing to jump in early 1990's for next X-men film not
because they want to catch up with present but because they want an established and excepernced X-men team now.Plus so they can play homage to when perhapes X-men comics were at it's peak in populary and when X_men animated show was number 1 on saturday morning.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Singer wants to bring back OT cast because X3 was disappointing.

He didn't actually say that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

He didn't actually say that.

actully he has shown intrest in the possibilty of bringing up the original cast.however with him likely gone from franchise now that is likely out the window.

only way i see any chance of any original cast post wolverine film is New mutants in present or future and it be patrick stewart as xavier.if X-23 ends up at mansion at end of wolverine film maybe stewart cameos In X-force.Possibilty of other OT actors cameoing as teachers if New mutants are set in present.

wolverine could return for 1990's set X-men film if they can threw enough money at hugh jackman to return.although if that doesn't work they may just recast wolverine.

 

[kguillou]

I am still on a high from this movie from when I saw it yesterday. I feel like this movie is very similar to the Dark Knight Rises. Its not perfect and has some pacing inconsistencies (much like TDKR) but when it's good, its SOOO GOOD and overshadows any lackluster moments for me. I feel, like TDKR, if you let the plot holes bother you then it will taint your experience but I really didn't care because I feel like the film just hit my sweet spots in the spots I was hoping it would.

The film has great, loveable characters, great actors playing them, a straightforward story, big action, the X-Men working as a team, a menacing villain, a strong emotional core ( I LOVED a certain moment between Charles and Moira at the end that brought the series full circle) and best of all, it has fist pumping geek out moments that redeem the franchise's bad films and bad creative choices.

Respectfully, I'm kinda baffled why more people aren't having a blast with this film with all that said.

Also, I'd like to ask the following: One of the most common complaints about the film is that certain characters like Psylocke dont get to say much and are only peripheral characters...but DoFP had WAY more peripheral characters that were basically cannon fodder and that film seems to get a pass for that. Why is that? I dunno, it didn't bother me with that movie and it didn't bother me with this one either.

 

[superweirdo87]

Aaaaaannd that sums up why this franchise is so f***ed up from one end to the other. God, get rid of Kinberg.

Hell yes.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I still want Halle to play as Storm.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

A character like Psylocke could get her own movie, a character like Jean... probably not

Huh? Jean is more interesting and more popular and has richer stories.

 

[Silliminite]

I enjoyed it. Dragged towards the end, but plenty of exciting moments in the film. The ending shot with the X-men in their costumes.....hell yes.

 

[marvelrobbins]

there is empire spoiler chat with singer and Kinberg

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/...r-special-podcast-bryan-singer-simon-kinberg/

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I enjoyed it. Dragged towards the end, but plenty of exciting moments in the film. The ending shot with the X-men in their costumes.....hell yes.

The movie was enjoyable indeed.

 

[Havok83]

Huh? Jean is more interesting and more popular and has richer stories.

I think Jean works best as part of an ensemble as her relationships with others are were she shines. Psylocke is a psychic ninja. I think that's simpler for the general audience to get and she'd be better fit for an action flick. I don't think she'd need a great plot or extensive character development to sell. She's be easier to adapt in a solo and actually have random people that don't really know her go out and see. I think a Jean solo would be a lot riskier and I say that with her being my favorite comic character.

 

[ApophènX]

I think Jean works best as part of an ensemble as her relationships with others are were she shines. Psylocke is a psychic ninja.
I think that's simpler for the general audience to get and she'd be better fit for an action flick. I don't think she'd need a great plot or extensive character development to sell. She's be easier to adapt in a solo and actually have random people that don't really know her go out and see. I think a Jean solo would be a lot riskier and I say that with her being my favorite comic character.

In fact Psylocke is related to Jean and the global theme. When Apocalypse come to her he said that Caliban was controlling her, hidding her true power. Wich is the same with Jean and Charles.

This movie is really about detailled. In Jean's room when she has nightmare she burn the picture of a tree. Scott also burned a tree with red visions. In her room they are birds and picture of men with arrows. In the next scene Erik's daughter dies in the wood when summoning bird by an arrow. This give the dream a prophetic feel, and the beggining of the movie there is a soeach about prophecy. Apocalypse later make a speech about burning a forest to the ground, wich reference the wood scene and Jean's.

 

[dax]

Patrick wouldnt pass for a 60 year old now, unless you CGI de-age him in which case what's the point?

He didn't look any different when he did the original trilogy so he could still pass for a 60-year old.

Actully origins is mostly erased too.except for the pre-vietnam beginning.

Wolverine's cameo in Apocalypse just showed us that the weapon X experiment still happened. Other moments from Apocalypse also took place in Origins like:

-Wolverine's violent rampage and escape from Alkali lake.
-Cyclops blasting a hole through his high school roof.
-Both Quicksilver and Cyclops ending up in Stryker's base. (There's a YouTube clip of Quicksilver's cameo in Origins)
-Wolverine helping the mutants escape from Stryker's base.
And
-Cyclops meeting Prof. Xavier.

In a way, Apocalypse helped maintain Origins' existence, only in a different way now.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

I think Jean works best as part of an ensemble as her relationships with others are were she shines. Psylocke is a psychic ninja. I think that's simpler for the general audience to get and she'd be better fit for an action flick. I don't think she'd need a great plot or extensive character development to sell. She's be easier to adapt in a solo and actually have random people that don't really know her go out and see. I think a Jean solo would be a lot riskier and I say that with her being my favorite comic character.

Yes she can. She has the most interesting entity (Phoenix) with her. I would also put Storm and Rogue above Psylocke.

 

[GuestStar2004]

He didn't look any different when he did the original trilogy so he could still pass for a 60-year old.

Patrick has noticeably aged, plus the way this timeline is set up xavier in DOFP would have been in his 90s so the original trilogy he would have been at least in his 80s

Wolverine's cameo in Apocalypse just showed us that the weapon X experiment still happened. Other moments from Apocalypse also took place in Origins like:

-Wolverine's violent rampage and escape from Alkali lake.
-Cyclops blasting a hole through his high school roof.
-Both Quicksilver and Cyclops ending up in Stryker's base. (There's a YouTube clip of Quicksilver's cameo in Origins)
-Wolverine helping the mutants escape from Stryker's base.
And
-Cyclops meeting Prof. Xavier.

In a way, Apocalypse helped maintain Origins' existence, only in a different way now.

That may be reaching abit

 

[GuestStar2004]

Huh? Jean is more interesting and more popular and has richer stories.

are there many jean solo books i am missing?

With psylocke i get the impression you could play with her the same way marvel are playing with black widow

 

[GuestStar2004]

I still want Halle to play as Storm.

Meh! i could live without.

 

[Havok83]

are there many jean solo books i am missing?

With psylocke i get the impression you could play with her the same way marvel are playing with black widow

not technically but for all intents and purposes All New X-men vol1 was a Jean solo. She was lead and all the stories revolved around her with the other 4 O5 X-men and Kitty serving as her supporting cast

Yes she can. She has the most interesting entity (Phoenix) with her. I would also put Storm and Rogue above Psylocke.

I think Jean would heavily rely on a supporting cast of existing characters to make her work, whereas Psylocke truly can be solo. Phoenix is interesting but within the aspects of a team dynamic bc of how it affects not just Jean but those around her

 

[GuestStar2004]

I assume if you are gonna do a solo movie there is no point surrounding them with X-Men, which is why its called a solo.