Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 41

[YoungBlood]

um there are plenty who liked first amazing Spider-man.

and I am sorry i hate iron man 3 just as much as spider-man 3 and Last stand.
Thor films were very disappointing to me.

The idea marvel craps gold is wrong.no studio does.

Problem is many come into X-men boards to attack X-Men films and want to
end X-men franchse.we have right to like X-men films besides origins and last stand just as they do MCU films.

Those fans are more responable for my souring on MCU since 2012 than films themselves.

You aren't the only one.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

We need a new director. Singer will never perfect an x-men movie.

 

[Flint Marko]

And what's considered disrespectful? Change the costumes they complain. Change one character out for another they complain. Change something from the comic they complain. Change an origin they complain....unless it's marvel, of course. They welcome those changes with open arms. Until another studio takes those same liberties.

The "spirit"?

Please.

How about the consistent sidelining of every single X-man not named Logan, Charles, Raven, or Erik? How about taking some of the most colorful and interesting characters in all of comics and consistently putting them in terrible costumes? How about retreading the same themes over and over without exploring the decades worth of stories at their disposal? How about sewing Deadpool's mouth shut? Actually, how about pretty much every single second of X3, X-men Origins, all three Fantastic Four dumpster fires, Daredevil, and Elektra?

Note that the Fox film which most closely adhered to the "spirit" of the source material is by far their most successful. That says it all.

We should all be on the same page here and understand that changes from the source material are inevitable, but there's a clear difference between minor aesthetic changes and what Fox does.

 

[def28]

He's not wrong. I have been saying this for years. Many others can see it, too.

Look, I don't understand why some of you don't get this or continue to ignore it. But Fox has made alot of bad Marvel films. There is no way around it. That is why they get more crap. Because they have made more.

Nobody is beating Fox over the head for Deadpool. They keep making audience pleasing films on that quality and they will be fine.

 

[YoungBlood]

Look, I don't understand why some of you don't get this or continue to ignore it. But Fox has made alot of bad Marvel films. They hurt themselves through the years and thats pretty much that.

Nobody is beating Fox over the head for Deadpool.

So, everyone has made some bad films from time to time.

The problem is that Fox also made some good Marvel films, but everyone wants to keep bringing up the bad ones.

 

[def28]

So, everyone has made some bad films from time to time.

The problem is that Fox also made some good Marvel films, but everyone wants to keep bringing up the bad ones.

Marvel hasn't on the level of Fox with the general audiences reception. Eventually people have to realizie the ratio of good to bad Marvel films matters on how the majority of fans perceive these studios. In the past year Fant4stic and Apocalypse alone are some of their worst rated. Of course this year is gonna be harsh for them. If Marvel had that people would be bashing the **** out of them too.

They have never made a good Fantastic four film, why are people gonna be happy about that or forget? It pisses comic book fans off when films and characters are ruined that often. You guys want poor films to suddenely have the same reaction as films like Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 which while disappointing were nowhere near the train wrecks of X-Men Origins or Fant4stic. That's never gonna happen.

Again, Fox just needs to release good movies. Nobody has issues with Deadpool...except for this board funny enough.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You aren't the only one.

I bought all the DVDS of phase one films films even thor which I had mixed reaction to.but since the major craping of X-men since avengers i only bought one film's DVD-Winter soldier and while I liked civil war besides spider-man,yes i have issues with stark's role In MCU but that doesn't mean i dislike entire film because of it.even the thor films i like largely the asgard parts it's the earth parts that are disappointing,I probally won't get Civil war DVD since i have had to endure APocalypse bashing.

If you are going to force me in situation to pick X-Men or MCU I will pick
X-Men.I have no problem with people whose perference is Avengers over
X-Men.that is why you rarely see me in avengers forums.But,it's open season from them consently.

I have always liked X-Men better than avengers.so this isn't devolpment
recently.Spider-man i also like better than avengers so that is why i am
critical of MCU SPider-man since i view him as primaly solo hero.I don't like other heroes poentally overshadowing him.Same thing with DC My favorate has always been Batman and some don't like me caring more about his role In DCEU.

SInce fox isn't giving up X-Men anytime soon all they are doing is souring
some X-men fans on MCU.Granted it's faw better here than IMDB and
the comments on site that shall not be name and main paige.

 

[2kt09]

Care to input, Uncanny1?

 

[YoungBlood]

Marvel hasn't on the level of Fox with the general audiences reception. Eventually people have to realizie the ratio of good to bad Marvel films matters on how the majority of fans perceive these studios. In the past year Fant4stic and Apocalypse alone are some of their worst rated. Of course this year is gonna be harsh for them. If Marvel had that people would be bashing the **** out of them too.

They have never made a good Fantastic four film, why are people gonna be happy about that or forget? It pisses comic book fans off when films and characters are ruined that often. You guys want poor films to suddenely have the same reaction as films like Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 which while disappointing were nowhere near the train wrecks of X-Men Origins or Fant4stic. That's never gonna happen.

Again, Fox just needs to release good movies. Nobody has issues with Deadpool...except for this board funny enough.

You're right, it won't happen, but that's what happens when blind loyalty affects people's judgement, because its not like they could never make a mistake.

 

[Sithborg]

Marvel hasn't on the level of Fox with the general audiences reception. Eventually people have to realizie the ratio of good to bad Marvel films matters on how the majority of fans perceive these studios. In the past year Fant4stic and Apocalypse alone are some of their worst rated. Of course this year is gonna be harsh for them. If Marvel had that people would be bashing the **** out of them too.

They have never made a good Fantastic four film, why are people gonna be happy about that or forget? It pisses comic book fans off when films and characters are ruined that often. You guys want poor films to suddenely have the same reaction as films like Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 which while disappointing were nowhere near the train wrecks of X-Men Origins or Fant4stic. That's never gonna happen.

Again, Fox just needs to release good movies. Nobody has issues with Deadpool...except for this board funny enough.

Marvel Studios makes ONE product. Fox makes many, many more movies in many more genres. Marvel is a specialized, niche studio. Fox isn't. They have also only been in business for 8 years. Let's see how good their track record is in a decade. Or if they are still as popular in a couple years.

 

[kevork89]

No, that would either be Sam Raimi's Spider-man, which made superhero blockbusters a permanent fixture on the forefront of 21st century western pop culture in a way the first X-men movie never could have dreamed of doing, or Blade, which was the first successful superhero property to come after Batman and Robin all but killed the genre.

Dude are you serious? Pretty much everyone out there said that BOTH Spider-Man and X-Men led to comic book movies being where they are today. And X-Men was released two years before Spider Man. So the success of X-Men had an impact on that too. The first two X-Men and Spider Men movies were major influences on what comic book movies became. Batman Begins wouldn't have happened if Bryan didn't show a darker more grittier look into a comic book movie. A more grounded approach. Why discredit the first X-Men film and what it did back then? That's not fair.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Marvel Studios makes ONE product. Fox makes many, many more movies in many more genres. Marvel is a specialized, niche studio. Fox isn't.

That would be a valid point if we were discussing which is the bestest studio ever. Since you don't see many Give Independence Day to Marvel petitions and posts, it's about fan satisfaction with how they've developed Marvel properties.

They have also only been in business for 8 years.

They've only been in business for 8 years, but have made one less Marvel based film than Fox has in 16 years.

Let's see how good their track record is in a decade. Or if they are still as popular in a couple years.

So we have to hold off acknowledging their current track record and popularity until some undetermined future date?

 

[kevork89]

Marvel hasn't on the level of Fox with the general audiences reception. Eventually people have to realizie the ratio of good to bad Marvel films matters on how the majority of fans perceive these studios. In the past year Fant4stic and Apocalypse alone are some of their worst rated. Of course this year is gonna be harsh for them. If Marvel had that people would be bashing the **** out of them too.

They have never made a good Fantastic four film, why are people gonna be happy about that or forget? It pisses comic book fans off when films and characters are ruined that often. You guys want poor films to suddenely have the same reaction as films like Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 which while disappointing were nowhere near the train wrecks of X-Men Origins or Fant4stic. That's never gonna happen.

Again, Fox just needs to release good movies. Nobody has issues with Deadpool...except for this board funny enough.

Ok yes I agree that Marvels track record when it comes to comic book movies is better. Of course it is they focus on comic book movies. That's why comparing movie studios is really stupid because they're both completely different. Marvel will only ever make comic book movies. Fox have made some bad movies yes they have. Especially in the comic book department. But I think people always see the negative over the positive. And I think that's unfair. Because it's used as a weapon for fans hate and anger towards the studio. Again I don't think they thought Apocalypse was going to be received the way it did. To me they thought they had another Bryan hit on their hands. They were wrong. It's just a middle of the pack movie. This one movie is not even close to the level of bad that origins, last stand or the fantastic series is. So I don't get why people are using it against Fox.

 

[YoungBlood]

That would be a valid point if we were discussing which is the bestest studio ever. Since you don't see many Give Independence Day to Marvel petitions and posts, it's about fan satisfaction with how they've developed Marvel properties.



They've only been in business for 8 years, but have made one less Marvel based film than Fox has in 16 years.



So we have to hold off acknowledging their current track record and popularity until some undetermined future date?

Popularity doesn't last forever. Someone bigger will come.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Popularity doesn't last forever. Someone bigger will come.

How long will we have to wait before we're allowed to acknowledge that someone 's accomplishments? A few years? A decade?

 

[kevork89]

Popularity doesn't last forever. Someone bigger will come.

In regards to what though? Comic book movie films? The only one who can really outshine them is WB with their DC universe but that doesn't look like it's happening any time soon. They had the opportunity with BvS to give Marvel a run for their money but they couldn't.

 

[Frankeh]

No, that would either be Sam Raimi's Spider-man, which made superhero blockbusters a permanent fixture on the forefront of 21st century western pop culture in a way the first X-men movie never could have dreamed of doing, or Blade, which was the first successful superhero property to come after Batman and Robin all but killed the genre.

Why do you continue to insist that Blade was taken as seriously as X-Men? Look at the critical reception. There is no doubt X-Men was better received. Blade was commercially succesful after B&R true enough, but don't downplay X-Men as if it did nothing for the genre.

 

[Mad Ones]

Blade didn't draw in family audiences and I hardly doubt Blade brought in as many new fans to the genre. I'm a comic book fan because of X1.

 

[BeholdMe]

True Blade opened the door slightly but XMen really opened the door for these films, then come SpiderMan which knocked it out of the park. All 3 I think played their own parts and XMen did indeed help with that they shouldn't be downplayed.

 

[def28]

Ok yes I agree that Marvels track record when it comes to comic book movies is better. Of course it is they focus on comic book movies. That's why comparing movie studios is really stupid because they're both completely different. Marvel will only ever make comic book movies. Fox have made some bad movies yes they have. Especially in the comic book department. But I think people always see the negative over the positive. And I think that's unfair. Because it's used as a weapon for fans hate and anger towards the studio. Again I don't think they thought Apocalypse was going to be received the way it did. To me they thought they had another Bryan hit on their hands. They were wrong. It's just a middle of the pack movie. This one movie is not even close to the level of bad that origins, last stand or the fantastic series is. So I don't get why people are using it against Fox.

It's cause hardcore fandom is ridiculous. I'm looking forward to Fox's upcoming slate and I think the majority of these fans regardless of what film series they prefer will be too. Deadpool would not have been a smash hit bigger then any Marvel first solo film if the hardcore fandom talk this board gives too much credit for was actually really hurting things. X-Men just doesn't have it's potential up on screen while the MCU does at the moment. Until they do Marvel will have the edge with comic fans. Just the way it goes for now. Of course Marvel films from both studios are gonna be compared by a comic fanbase, why wouldn't they?

Overacting and cheerleading is also just part of the fandom game. X-Men fans are just as guilty on both of these. Look at the hate for Quicksilver. Pretty much everyone including X-Men fans were wrong there and we overreacted before we saw anything.

I agree Apocalypse isn't as bad as Origins, but this was a hyped film that didn't live up to it's potential. People turned on Joss Whedon with AOU too, after one one film. It wasn't even reviewed that poorly. It was just disappointing compared to the previous film. This stuff goes both ways. Now people want Singer gone, even alot of the major bias fans of X2 and DOFP.

The X-Men franchise has had a bit of a rough road the past 10 years for fandom so it really has to work hard to make sure it doesn't fall. The quality of Marvel films will always be compared with fans, cause comic fans want good Marvel films. When Fox get it right, all is good. But Fox is the only one not playing ball at this point, even though alot of the filmmakers on both sides want to. So that doesn't exactly help them either with fandom.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Hmmm...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(film)



Doesn't change my point either way.

Did you just quote wikipedia to prove a point?

 

[Frankeh]

As far as Marvel vs. Fox, I'm honestly not against the rights reverting now. I'm correct in assuming the Deadpool deal is separate from the X-Men, right?

Thinking what's best for X-Men as an IP right now, and I honestly can't say FOX is it. Marvel has done best with their own characters so far, it doesn't seem debatable. We've had six main X-Men films from FOX, four of which I loved/liked, they've had their time, maybe it's time to let them move on?

 

[2kt09]

As far as Marvel vs. Fox, I'm honestly not against the rights reverting now. I'm correct in assuming the Deadpool deal is separate from the X-Men, right?

It is.

 

[YoungBlood]

As far as Marvel vs. Fox, I'm honestly not against the rights reverting now. I'm correct in assuming the Deadpool deal is separate from the X-Men, right?

Thinking what's best for X-Men as an IP right now, and I honestly can't say FOX is it. Marvel has done best with their own characters so far, it doesn't seem debatable. We've had six main X-Men films from FOX, four of which I loved/liked, they've had their time, maybe it's time to let them move on?

If it still make them money, why should they "move on"?
Do you think Fox gonna scrap New Mutants and X-Force because its time to move on?
If anything, they're gonna have them come out first and then they do another X-Men film, and by that time they have some new creative blood.
And for Fox to just have the Deadpool rights would just create another Quicksilver situation where they have to figure out which mutant can appear in X-Men or Deadpool.

 

[Mad Ones]

Fox made one movie that underperformed at the box office. The main set of films were going to get a new director anyway, as it moves forward with a great new cast. Why would you want to throw that away, and New Mutants, Gambit, X-force, etc so they can start over at Marvel and retell their origins?