Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[spideyboy_1111]

I can't buy this argument. At least not completely. Maybe most of the characters would be treated well and developed/given purpose in the X-Men films. Maybe. But "most" sure as hell won't be given a chance to shine when the inevitable crossovers shows up. And we all know there would be quite a few of these types of events. There would be way too much screen sharing going on with the Avengers and/or FF instead of sharing screen time with other mutants/X-Men.

He's a single character though. X-Men is a team of characters. Integrating a single character is nothing compared to integrating the world of mutants and the X-Men.

eh... this concept isn't exactly accurate, you can't look at the MCU (or any franchise that's well put together and expect EVERY film to give EVERY character a huge chance to shine. Honestly though i felt Civil War did a really great job at making a point for everyone to have a moment or a purpose. No one really got "shafted" But the whole point is by the time a character has been in 3+ films.. they no longer really need a whole lot of development if they've been given it. We know who they are, we know their personalities and what they're all about.. time to unleash them for fun. The X-films tend to kill off characters that don't get alot of development, never develop them, or decide not to include them in sequels.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It depends, will you stop commenting on here.

Once again, your argument are crap. Every time you comment on here, you're always attacking X-Men fans because they don't follow the status quo that almost every other Marvel fan is doing or just because they like the Bryan Singer movies. Why can't you get it through your head that most of us don't want a MCU version of X-Men. Do we want more accurate portrayals of the the characters? Of course we do Do we want to see them become second fiddle to Avengers and get side tracked if they were ever to go back to Marvel? I'm pretty sure most of us don't want to see that happen, but it could happen. You really need to get over it. If you don't like the movies then that's on you, but stop trying to make people feel dumb or ashamed because they like them. because you're never gonna change what they like, at least not for me.

he's not attacking anyone.. i think he actually raises fair points. Just because you dislike what someone is saying, doesn't mean its an attack

 

[YoungBlood]

 

[spideyboy_1111]

seriously.. where do you see an "attack" asking someone to question something is not an attack..

it was a well crafted and well thought out post.. Or did i miss something?




here, lets actually be constructive rather than you commenting on every post you hate. ... what would you do to change the franchise?

 

[Sithborg]

and the X-men films are also becoming boring and predictable for many viewers too... there's just as much new blood in the MCU as the X-men films.. but for some reason people like yourself don't see that...

x-men's new blood was Jean/Scott/Kurt/Jubilee/angel/nightcrawler/psylocke while Marvel also now has ... Spider-Man/BlackPanther/Ant-man/Guardians of the Galaxy/Vision/Scarlet Witch/ and Doctor Strange... just to name a few... both are mixes of new blood and old blood and an ever growing franchise cast list...

both franchises are lulling on some things and both are constantly gaining new blood as well..

I was talking more about new blood creatively, behind the scenes. Doesn't really matter about the characters, since you need the creativity behind the scenes. I'm excited to see what Mangold, Boone, and Miller can bring with the next three movies. And I loved Apocalypse, but I felt that Singer should go because he's been doing these movies for so long.

When Singer has been a major factor in these movies for such a long time, I don't particularly blame someone who sort of gets bored of it.

 

[Frankeh]

seriously.. where do you see an "attack" asking someone to question something is not an attack..

it was a well crafted and well thought out post.. Or did i miss something?

That poster is continously questioning why some here are attached to FOX's movies and won't let the characters go to MCU, so I understand why YoungBlood feels threatened.

I don't like it either when I'm being told I'm "settling" for anything. That is an assumption that we're all in the same ballpark when it comes to one thing.

Obviously, at this point, I do side with an MCU X-Men, but X-Men fans come in many shapes and forms and like Tymminator has said, every side has a right to think they way they do.

 

[jaymes_e06]

YoungBlood you are completely right to feel how you do that guy is trying it (being pessimistic) and packaging it as "helping us see tha light!" And it comes off antagonistic.

 

[YoungBlood]

That poster is continously questioning why some here are attached to FOX's movies and won't let the characters go to MCU, so I understand why YoungBlood feels threatened.

I don't like it either when I'm being told I'm "settling" for anything. That is an assumption that we're all in the same ballpark when it comes to one thing.

Obviously, at this point, I do side with an MCU X-Men, but X-Men fans come in many shapes and forms and like Tymminator has said, every side has a right to think they way they do.

Oh I'm not threatened by him, i'm just plain annoyed because this isn't the first time or last time he will do that.

 

[magneto23]

eh... this concept isn't exactly accurate, you can't look at the MCU (or any franchise that's well put together and expect EVERY film to give EVERY character a huge chance to shine. Honestly though i felt Civil War did a really great job at making a point for everyone to have a moment or a purpose. No one really got "shafted" But the whole point is by the time a character has been in 3+ films.. they no longer really need a whole lot of development if they've been given it. We know who they are, we know their personalities and what they're all about.. time to unleash them for fun. The X-films tend to kill off characters that don't get alot of development, never develop them, or decide not to include them in sequels.

That's easy to say for the current slate of Marvel characters. Most of them have their own movies or are going to be having their own movies.Screen time and development is easy to come bye for them. X-Men wouldn't have that same luxury. They would share it in a couple of movies and then bam! Crossover time. Granted in those couple of movies Marvel could split the screen time up and develop the hell out of 5-8 X-Men characters the likes of which Fox could only dream(easier said then done). But what about all the other mutants that are worthy? Their chances become slim to none because The Avengers or FF or Guardians of the Galaxy would be taking their screen time. Because multiple crossovers would be guaranteed. It would be pretty hard to develop and expand the X-Men world when every third movie its the X-Men dealing with the other corners of the Marvel universe and not their own. There are just too many mutants. Screen time and development will always be a challenge. IMO even more so if it were at Marvel.

 

[Tymminator]

If Fox and Marvel teamed up, I could see a X-Men movie each phase, maybe sometimes 2 a phase.

They know what the X-Men could do, and they would want to make sure they put a team together to make that movie a favorite and make that money.

Now it would be up to the fans if such an attempt was truly good or not.

Honestly? I think Fox will also check out how "Spider-man: Homecoming" goes.

If it does just OK, or is mediocre, then they would have little desire to team up with Marvel and may feel like it's better to try it again on their own.

But if it's a success and both Sony and Marvel make money and the reception is positive?

Well, then that's a matter of simply wanting to do business.

Again, two personalities, one on each side, that were the main roots of the Fox-Marvel conflict are now non-factors.

Don't be surprised about ANYTHING in the next few years, but don't expect to hear anything tomorrow.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Oh I'm not threatened by him, i'm just plain annoyed because this isn't the first time or last time he will do that.

Quit commenting on posters and actually talk about the topic at hand... seriously.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's easy to say for the current slate of Marvel characters. Most of them have their own movies or are going to be having their own movies.Screen time and development is easy to come bye for them. X-Men wouldn't have that same luxury. They would share it in a couple of movies and then bam! Crossover time. Granted in those couple of movies Marvel could split the screen time up and develop the hell out of 5-8 X-Men characters the likes of which Fox could only dream(easier said then done). But what about all the other mutants that are worthy? Their chances become slim to none because The Avengers or FF or Guardians of the Galaxy would be taking their screen time. Because multiple crossovers would be guaranteed. It would be pretty hard to develop and expand the X-Men world when every third movie its the X-Men dealing with the other corners of the Marvel universe and not their own. There are just too many mutants. Screen time and development will always be a challenge. IMO even more so if it were at Marvel.

I don't believe that to be true. There's multiple xmen teams, and multiple stories and paths that could create a revolving door of xmen and other mutants... the 90s to on did a great job of that, though I would have liked to have seen members like Psylocke, angel, colossus, iceman, and nightcrawler stay on the team rather than 1 or 2 appearances.

I think it can be done

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I just hope the franchise learns from apocalypse's mistakes, does not decade hop the next film, and learns to actually map out a series of xfilms rather than one at a time

 

[jaymes_e06]

Quit commenting on posters and actually talk about the topic at hand... seriously.

Kind of a hypocritical thing to say...

You're not a mod don't tell people what to do. Report the convo if you have an issue with it.

 

[YoungBlood]

Quit commenting on posters and actually talk about the topic at hand... seriously.

I'm not talking about you.
Talking about the other guy, thegameq.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Kind of a hypocritical thing to say...

You're not a mod don't tell people what to do. Report the convo if you have an issue with it.

The mods have already said not to do it...

Commenting about someone commenting about commenting isn't helping this thread.

There's a clear difference.. I even blatantly asked YB to come up with constructive changes he'd make, and he chose to ignore it. Trying to actually get him to join in on the convo... like both of us have.

We all know what happens when a mod comes in.. he will say "this is the apocalypse thread and only talk about apocalypse" to which no one will because there's really nothing left to discuss solely on this film alone thus crickets... then a few days later we go back to talking about the franchise and it's future.

Any who I'm genuinely interested in what YB would change, if anything about even this film even rather than the franchise. Just something constructive.

I don't think anyone with a straight face can say "everything worked" I think you can enjoy the film, love the film, etc... I love some awful to mediocre films.. but I still clearly can see why said films dont work for some and also discuss what I'd do differently ...

Fact of the matter is change is likely to come in one form or another regardless.. so it's nice to see what people would do differently

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm not talking about you.
Talking about the other guy, thegameq.

Oh I definitely knew who you were talking to

 

[YoungBlood]

Oh I definitely knew who you were talking to

Just look at the previous page.

 

[Tymminator]

Anyway, I hope one thing that stops is the substitute of characters that are typically good guys being used in movies for bad guys. I hope that ends. There are plenty of cool mutants that are bad guys who can be used instead.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Anyway, I hope one thing that stops is the substitute of characters that are typically good guys being used in movies for bad guys. I hope that ends. There are plenty of cool mutants that are bad guys who can be used instead.

Yeah the barrel is pretty large with that... very few have actually made it on screen

 

[Frankeh]

Anyway, I hope one thing that stops is the substitute of characters that are typically good guys being used in movies for bad guys. I hope that ends. There are plenty of cool mutants that are bad guys who can be used instead.

Avalanche STILL hasn't been in an X-Men movie! His powers would make for great action scenes!

Blob hasn't gone against the X-Men either, all we've got is a cameo in Apocalypse, and a supporting role in Wolverine's origins (MEH!)

Nevermind people like Omega Red, Mastermind, Sauron, the Marauders, the Nasty Boys, the Imperial Guard, Starjammers, the list goes on...

And I'm not even counting those that were done badly (pretty much all the evil mutants in X3, except maybe Multiple Man) which is opening another can of worms.

 

[yaellen]

IMO, X-men right will not go back to Marvel any day soon unless Fox is in big financial trouble. Period. Which is why I feel so tired of all these arguing about how MCU will do these characters' justice. They might, but they won't have the chance to do it. The only hope for X-men (especially comic) fans is to wish Fox would have the right creative team to develop better X-men movies.

It is all about money, do you think Fox will let X-men right back to MCU so that Marvel/Disney would get all the big money out of superhero movies? Fans of course can dream, but in reality, it is just not practical thinking;-)

 

[GuestStar2004]

IMO, X-men right will not go back to Marvel any day soon unless Fox is in big financial trouble. Period. Which is why I feel so tired of all these arguing about how MCU will do these characters' justice..

Exactly, its not happening

 

[magneto23]

I don't believe that to be true. There's multiple xmen teams, and multiple stories and paths that could create a revolving door of xmen and other mutants... the 90s to on did a great job of that, though I would have liked to have seen members like Psylocke, angel, colossus, iceman, and nightcrawler stay on the team rather than 1 or 2 appearances.

I think it can be done

A revolving door doesn't sound like it would lead to that much development. IMO when multiple characters are sharing the screen, as with the X-Men, they need to appear consistently. Otherwise you can throw your development out. Unless they plan on making more X-Men team movies, just X-Men mind you(not X-Force/New Mutants those are their own movies), in shorter periods of time then I don't believe it could be done. I don't realistically see Marvel doing that. And we know damn well a good chuck of their stories will lead to Marvel crossovers and not just plain X-Men stories. There's no way around characters not being left on the outside looking in whenever one of these crossover events takes place.

 

[GuestStar2004]

And I'm not even counting those that were done badly (pretty much all the evil mutants in X3, except maybe Multiple Man) which is opening another can of worms.

I can see them using multiple man again