Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 42

[DavidHaller]

I've already said that I think the film looked cheaper than it should have.

Honestly I think it was the wrong film to make. I just don't think that they had an interesting or compelling story to tell and upstart X-Men beating a being as powerful as Apocalypse is weird. I wish they would picked a less powerful villain for the upstart X-Men to defeat.

I agree 100 %!

They should have gone with X-Men: X-Tinction Agenda/ Genosha instead. The political, realistic plot would have been totally in Bryan Singer's lane and comfort zone and they could have been also able to concentrate on the character Magneto. This storyline would have been the perfect tonal endpoint for the new trilogy. The social commentary would also have brought some critical acclaim: should the X-Men intervene into the politics of another country horribly mistreating mutants as slaves and helping to spark a revolution in a mutant apartheid system? They could have shown how Xavier, Magneto and Mystique have to work together to achieve this goal and in the end Magneto would have overthrow the regime and becomes Genosha's new king maybe throwing the X-Men out of HIS country in the process (THAT would have been a story worth telling after "Days of Future Past"!...especially after Magneto's speech...).

Apocalypse on the other hand, there was NO plot and the script was ****.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Genosha wouldn't be a good Origin for cyclops,jean and co, esp if you look at where bryan was going with apocalypse.

There are many things to take into consideration.

 

[DavidHaller]

why not? They did not need to do another origin story at all for any of these characters! We know Storm, Jean, Scott and Nightcrawler by now. They could have just started with the team already established living together at the school (Wolverine even gave Xavier the names for the team already). "X-Men: Apocalypse" also did not tell us ANYTHING new about these characters (we saw Cyclops in his highschool already in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, we saw Jean as a child having problems with her powerful abilities,...they only thing that was new is Storm's origin but let's not pretend they treated the character well at all!)

sure there are many things to take into consideration but having a great storyline with a savvy social commentary should be the cornerstrone doing a X-Men movie! Don't you think?

 

[GuestStar2004]

why not? They did not need to do another origin story at all for any of these characters! We know Storm, Jean, Scott and Nightcrawler by now.

Origins help give the characters a starting point to a journey we are about to follow

They could have just started with the team already established living together at the school (Wolverine even gave Xavier the names for the team already)."X-Men: Apocalypse" also did not tell us ANYTHING new about these characters (we saw Cyclops in his highschool already in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, we saw Jean as a child having problems with her powerful abilities,...they only thing that was new is Storm's origin but let's not pretend they treated the character well at all!)

And them starting out as a team already won't tell you anything about those characters

sure there are many things to take into consideration but having a great storyline with a savvy social commentary should be the cornerstrone doing a X-Men movie! Don't you think?

So social commentary is more important to you than the actual characters?

Social commentary isn't the be all and end of X-Men and it won't garantee better reviews because of "social commentary"

 

[DavidHaller]

So social commentary is more important to you than the actual characters?

Social commentary isn't the be all and end of X-Men and it won't garantee better reviews because of "social commentary"

I never said that. Why should be both in opposition? Origin stories are a lazy cinematographic way to introduce characters. It is utterly pointless to re-introduce characters we already know through origin stories which give us nothing new to the established characters (e.g. X-Men: Apocalypse).

The X-Men are NOT dumb cocky superhero macho *******s dressed in the American Flag! It is crucial that they are marginalized underdogs fighting for acceptance. If you ignore the social commentary, you ignore what made the X-Men special and beloved in the first place.

Sure, it is not a difficult thing to achieve high rottentomatoes scores with superhero movies because the standard for these movies is incredibly low! As soon as these movies are not totally offensive, entertaining or very dumb they will normally get a good critics score (Marvel movies).

 

[iacobusleo]

So social commentary is more important to you than the actual characters?

Social commentary isn't the be all and end of X-Men and it won't garantee better reviews because of "social commentary"

Actually, I think the social commentary was what set X-Men apart from the other CBMs in critics' eyes. In the other versions of the X-Men, the characters are everything; for this movie franchise because of the way Singer built it, the social commentary is more appealing to critics for better or worse (as anchored by Xavier and Magneto).

I highly doubt anybody beyond the comic fanbase was clamoring for origin stories for characters like Cyclops and Storm, two characters who have not been well served by this series. Plus, the CBM climate has advanced to the point that it is generally agreed that origin stories are the most boring superhero stories.

I'd also like to add that Apocalypse as a villain himself did nothing to make the origin stories more interesting. There was potential for Storm, but that was wasted. Otherwise any other villain could have been an appropriate enough threat for the team to come together.

I like DavidHaller's idea of Genosha being the capper to the FC trilogy.

Basically, I think this movie suffers from an inability to decide on what it wants to do. It wanted to close out Xavier, Magneto and Mystique's arcs, but it also wanted to introduce a multitude of characters who may go onto become major players, but it ALSO wanted to focus on Apocalypse. So the movie tried to do everything but failed to do anything justice (case in point, the creative 'travelling through historical events' opening credits that ultimately went nowhere).

 

[BeholdMe]

We get it you just keep repeating the same **** over and over again...

I know right it's so annoying.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I highly doubt anybody beyond the comic fanbase was clamoring for origin stories for characters like Cyclops and Storm, two characters who have not been well served by this series. Plus, the CBM climate has advanced to the point that it is generally agreed that origin stories are the most boring superhero stories.

Well just having them be a team from the start wouldn't have helped anything, its like X1 where wolverine meets the X-Men, the problem is there is nothing to cyclops,jean and storm they are just those characters with very little else to them while for wolverine it may not have been a proper origin but we followed him from the alone at the fight club to basically where he ends up at the end and he become the favourite of the franchise and whether that was down to him just being wolverine or not

there are probably many people who don't care about origins and just wanna see the characters but giving an origin helps give a better insigh into the character and helps their continued growth and thats why origin stories are a big deal with these sort of franchise.

Its like X3 when they tried to give berry a bigger role... there was nothing to work off with that, they were building off on a really plain character really with no backstory who may have a had a little bit of social commentary with nightcrawler in X2

I'd also like to add that Apocalypse as a villain himself did nothing to make the origin stories more interesting. There was potential for Storm, but that was wasted. Otherwise any other villain could have been an appropriate enough threat for the team to come together.

If you read the idea of the world being at risk and something happens to have to create a team to stop it then that works, does it necessarily have to be apocalypse? no maybe not, but the idea is sound.

 

[Nokio]

Fox don't get it. Singer is the wrong man for this franchise. Apocalypse looked like crap but His actions was decent and Issacs was good with what he had to work with but he wasn't menacing enough and no way even with just practical make up was there no excuse for a more faithful look. Apocalypse displayed non of his abilities from the comics. One of the reasons I had no problem with Issacs height was that Apocalypse could increase his size. I just feel a lot of people was like WTF and didn't see the movie because of word of mouth. There was a lot wrong with Xmen Apocalypse but it felt like the most Xmenish of all the films and I enjoyed it.

 

[YoungBlood]

 

[Illuminata]

Fox's marketing was pretty abysmal as well. Deadpool had great marketing, X-Men, not so much. It's difficult to make a "going through the motions" movie look appealing enough to have a Days or X3 type of opening weekend. The series needs some fresh ideas and no that doesn't just mean bringing back the original cast no matter what anyone thinks. The series needs a fresh story, fresh plotting and fresh character interactions.

For the past couple of films, the X-Men had the worst market campaigns. DOFP only received buzz because of Singer's involvement and hype of the OT cast. Apocalypse had the worst promotion and then the Billboard reactions weren't good.

They haven't promoted these films as good as X2, The Last Stand or Origins: Wolverine. I would even say The Wolverine film has a better viral campaign.

That being said, their worst decision is/was allowing Kinberg to have creative control and story writing duties. Apocalypse did not feel like a Singer film at all. At least it doesn't fit with X1, X2 and DOFP nor First Class. It's another misstep.

If Fox was smart they would roll these characters into a Netflix or HBO deal then spit out a Theatrical film once in a while. There is not enough room for this ensemble to breathe fully and TV is the only medium that allows this. It's why lesser known characters like Jessica Jones & Luke Cage are receiving positive reactions and Daredevil & Elektra have been revamped and saved.

 

[Illuminata]

Suicide Squad is tracking for a 125 million dollar opening. I think that says the audience is hungry for different and fresh. Guest Star wondered if anyone did like a deep dive on the relatively weak performance of XMA. I do think the success of Suicide Squad and Deadpool is suggestive that audiences have a strong appetite for new and fresh directions. And XMA had the whole world-in-peril scenario and rehashed a lot of the same conflicts.

Suicide Squad had the most robust marketing plan and strategy that has been missing from most DC films. It also has the benefit of a great cast as well as a director/Writer like David Ayers that wrote and directed films like Fury, Fast and Furious, UB571, Training Day and S.W.A.T. He is a perfect match for this film unlike Zack Snyder that is continued to have a career no matter how many disasters he continues to make.

Plus the entire cast seems so proud of this movie.

 

[DavidHaller]

Plus the entire cast seems so proud of this movie.

producing this fake over the top cast excitement seems to be a marketing trend since Deadpool: "uuuhh, we are soooo passionate and exciting about this project and we only do it for the true fans and for our deep love for the character! It is basically a movie from fans for fans...bla bla bla"

 

[GuestStar2004]

Suicide Squad had the most robust marketing plan and strategy that has been missing from most DC films.

Thing is that suicide squad can get away with this type of marketing because they are anti heroes and playing on the fact they are bad guys going through the motions of being good guys.

I mean how many films could work so well with having bohemian rhapsody as the trailer music? probably not batman vs superman, X-Men apocalypse and Civil war.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They haven't promoted these films as good as X2, The Last Stand or Origins: Wolverine. I would even say The Wolverine film has a better viral campaign.

That depends what you are looking for in marketing i guess, i mean the wolverine marketing had posters of him holding a sword... But he never uses a sword in the movie, infact that sword is barely seen

X2,3 and origins had the benefit of merchandise

 

[Avenging Angel]

If Old Man Wolverine is the story line maybe the marketing team are going to look to the comic cover for inspiration.

 

[marvelrobbins]

HD,Blu-ray and DVD release date revealed
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/07/1...s?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

edit-it's pretty much gurantees there won't be a special release later on.it has deleted and extended scenes and a audio commantary with Singer and kinberg

it would be nice if like the rogue cut the DVD has a lot of same special features.although i am not holding my breath on it.

well anyway in september some are bound to be making screencaps of sophie turner and Olivia Munn and possibly Jennifer lawrence in the dress she is in when she arrives at
club

 

[SAUspartan]

Can't wait.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I can't wait to get it an dhave it in my collection.and at the time it hits plenty of people should be making screencaps and gifs.plenty of wonderful comic booky coments to do as well as the women and for female and gay fans guys too.

funny how fox isn't coming to comic con with films but promating apocalypse home video release.

 

[EnDz0n3]

October 4th. Great Bday gift

 

[superweirdo87]

XMA was never tracking for 120. Box Office Pro predicted that it would open to that based on the info available at the time.

Tracking is based on polling. It asks people if they are aware of a movie, if they are interested in seeing it and whether it is a person's first choice.

 

[superweirdo87]

I hate to say it, but the future looks pretty bleak for the franchise.

This article detailed how people at Fox lack a vision and so their movies have not been doing well.

http://moviecitynews.com/2016/06/when-the-boss-gets-fired-fox-edition/

Shareholders are waiting on Avatar, but they might eventually replace Snider.

There does not seem to be leadership to intervene to bring in a new creative team to take the franchise in a new direction and tell solid stories.

 

[jaymes_e06]

"Snider?" W the... actual **** are you talking about?

 

[superweirdo87]

Snider is going to be CEO of Fox, and Fox matters when it comes to the creative team.

 

[YoungBlood]

Way to change the topic about the release date. I love what someone said in the comments on the website, "This ain’t a freaking high literature paper thesis, it’s a blog". Also, are you trying to state that Fox is gonna beg Singer to come back and do another film, even though he wanted to take a break from it?