Apocalypse X-Men Apocalypse News and Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 43

[marvelrobbins]

Totally and utterly agreed. Apocalypse was a much better movie than the awful Last Stand.

agree 100% also apocalypse left franchise in much better shape than last stand
did.many may not like at end of apocalypse mystique being drill intruster for newly formed X-Men team but apocalypse ending leaves you ready for more adventres.Last stand really didn't.

 

[def28]

Why would anyone think this was worse than The Last Stand? Everyone who has said that doesn't remember the events of The Last Stand.

There are plenty of fans on here and critics who disagree. Apocalypse holds a lower critics score and the RT audience score isn't far away from Last Stand.

Bottom line, both films were divisive and disappointing to many.

 

[Flint Marko]

TLS is bad, but Apocalypse is a joyless, ugly slog.

 

[Ivan Drago]

TLS is bad, but Apocalypse is a joyless, ugly slog.

I wouldn't say Apocalypse is joyless, in fact I thought the best thing about the movie was the little bits of humor. It's just a really mediocre and forgettable movie, it's probably right up there with X3 .

 

[magneto23]

TLS crippled this franchise. Anyone who views it as a superior film to Apocalypse has to be joking. The treatment of the characters is all the argument you need. Let alone the mish-mash of a story with the cure and the "Phoenix" combo. A rushed half assed character/story wasting mess. The two films are in different leagues. Critical/audience standards of these films have changed IMO. So the "scores" don't mean much. You want to say Apocalypse is bad? Okay. That means TLS has to be terrible.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'd definitely take X3 over Apocalypse.

 

[BMM]

TLS crippled this franchise. Anyone who views it as a superior film to Apocalypse has to be joking. The treatment of the characters is all the argument you need. Let alone the mish-mash of a story with the cure and the "Phoenix" combo. A rushed half assed character/story wasting mess. The two films are in different leagues. Critical/audience standards of these films have changed IMO. So the "scores" don't mean much. You want to say Apocalypse is bad? Okay. That means TLS has to be terrible.

Pretty much.

 

[def28]

I'd definitely take X3 over Apocalypse.

Same.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'd definitely take X3 over Apocalypse.

1000% agree

 

[Stan Lee]

There are plenty of fans on here and critics who disagree. Apocalypse holds a lower critics score and the RT audience score isn't far away from Last Stand.

Bottom line, both films were divisive and disappointing to many.

Ang Lee's Hulk and Superman Returns both have a "fresh" from RT. Do you think they would be well reviewed if they came out now?

And the reason why I said the bold is because not many people seem to notice that Apocalypse is a pay-off to the Xavier-Jean relationship in The Last Stand. Just watch these videos to see what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Lav80wPNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27pNsj8n9rw

Notice the difference in Xavier's attitudes towards Jean's powers?

 

[def28]

Ang Lee's Hulk and Superman Returns both have a "fresh" from RT. Do you think they would be well reviewed if they came out now?

That's completely irrelevant.

The reception speaks for itself and isn't gonna change. The films divisive just like X3 was. I don't love X3 or think it's some great film. But man, Apocalypse is a messy script. Kinberg and Singer really didn't "fix" much besides Cyclops post DOFP, and Kinberg keeps wasting characters and killing them off in idiotic ways. How did this guy not learn after X3? They just screwed **** up again.

Be it X3 or Apocalypse every geek friend I know either hates both or didn't even bother seeing Apocalypse. I'm pretty sure this one is hurting the franchise more, at least going from everything I read on messages/movie boards, box office, movie sites and people I talk to.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Ang Lee's Hulk and Superman Returns both have a "fresh" from RT. Do you think they would be well reviewed if they came out now?

And the reason why I said the bold is because not many people seem to notice that Apocalypse is a pay-off to the Xavier-Jean relationship in The Last Stand. Just watch these videos to see what I mean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Lav80wPNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27pNsj8n9rw

Notice the difference in Xavier's attitudes towards Jean's powers?

Apocalypse despite being part of new timeline that doesn't lead into original trilogy is conclusion of what you could call the singerverse and that includes Last stand.

X-men should always be in dark and serious world.now that doesn't mean no humor at all.Quicksilver,nightcrawler,and even during first hour xavier himself helps create humor.X-Men,x2,and DOFP all had moments of
humor too.my main critism of MCU is too much comedy.DCEU however has superman as too dark.X-Men is like batman it should always be dark.now deadpool is whole different beast.

Apocalypse isn't best X-Men film that remains X2 but I strongly disagree it's worse than last stand.

now as biggest fan of superman returns on this board i will stay quiet but still i prefer that to DCEU superman.

 

[psylockolussus]

agree 100% also apocalypse left franchise in much better shape than last stand
did.many may not like at end of apocalypse mystique being drill intruster for newly formed X-Men team but apocalypse ending leaves you ready for more adventres.Last stand really didn't.

And yet Apocalypse grossed lower? That's a bigger stab. Origins even earned over 170 million after X3
I am with Def, Blackman and Flint. X3 is the better movie!

 

[marvelrobbins]

And yet Apocalypse grossed lower? That's a bigger stab. Origins even earned over 170 million after X3
I am with Def, Blackman and Flint. X3 is the better movie!

box office doesn't mean better movie.If box office was all that mattered
then why did man of steel and and BVS have such low critical scores.

APocalypse only grossed lower domesticly.with it's foregin box office it's third highest grssing X film.

Apocalypse was always going to decline from DOFP without original cast.

Last stand is terrable

 

[def28]

Do we really need to explain how the foreign box office changed in the past decade again?

X-Men nowadays should be making at least close to DOFP numbers ww. Different story back in 2006. X-Men is far behind every comic book film this year. It's audience isn't growing and if Apocalypse made 400m ww there is no way we would be getting a sequel.

 

[psylockolussus]

box office doesn't mean better movie.If box office was all that mattered
then why did man of steel and and BVS have such low critical scores.

APocalypse only grossed lower domesticly.with it's foregin box office it's third highest grssing X film.

Apocalypse was always going to decline from DOFP without original cast.

Last stand is terrable

No one said box office equals quality. I was just seeing agreeing with those three about which movie is better and I was tired to copy and paste because I'm on mobile and it is an unrelated comment from Apocalypse getting a bigger stab at the box office.

Box office is a good measure if people like what they saw or at least if they are interested to give the movie a chance. It turned out the audience was not there compare to X3/Origins. It became more apparent with the big drops.

International market is a different ball game. Apocalypse earned big in China but why it didn't end up in top 10 highest grossing films in China this 2016? But Dofp did in 2014. Because the market there is still growing and ticket prices are increasing every year. There's also the IMAX tickets which bloats the price.

 

[Stan Lee]

That's completely irrelevant.

The reception speaks for itself and isn't gonna change.

Attuides towards films actually do change over time. Ever heard of films that don't age well?

The films divisive just like X3 was. I don't love X3 or think it's some great film. But man, Apocalypse is a messy script. Kinberg and Singer really didn't "fix" much besides Cyclops post DOFP, and Kinberg keeps wasting characters and killing them off in idiotic ways. How did this guy not learn after X3? They just screwed **** up again.

Be it X3 or Apocalypse every geek friend I know either hates both or didn't even bother seeing Apocalypse. I'm pretty sure this one is hurting the franchise more, at least going from everything I read on messages/movie boards, box office, movie sites and people I talk to.

I assume you mean Angel. It's highly unlikely that he is dead given that the storyline which the film was based on also featured him seemly dying in a plane explosion, just to be revealed later on that he wasn't dead. Did those geeks read the story this was based on?

And he fixed few things like Jean and the problem with that love triangle she was in.

Apocalypse despite being part of new timeline that doesn't lead into original trilogy is conclusion of what you could call the singerverse and that includes Last stand.

X-men should always be in dark and serious world.now that doesn't mean no humor at all.Quicksilver,nightcrawler,and even during first hour xavier himself helps create humor.X-Men,x2,and DOFP all had moments of
humor too.my main critism of MCU is too much comedy.DCEU however has superman as too dark.X-Men is like batman it should always be dark.now deadpool is whole different beast.

Apocalypse isn't best X-Men film that remains X2 but I strongly disagree it's worse than last stand.

now as biggest fan of superman returns on this board i will stay quiet but still i prefer that to DCEU superman.

Didn't say it was going to lead into that timeline but that the Jean-Xavier in Apocalypse is payoff to Xavier's arc in DOFP. Where he learned that he shouldn't control people.

 

[def28]

Attuides towards films actually do change over time. Ever heard of films that don't age well?

I don't see a Blade Runner situation happening with this film. But hey, if it does good for Apocalypse. Maybe Kinbergs writing is ahead of the time.

I assume you mean Angel. It's highly unlikely that he is dead given that the storyline which the film was based on also featured him seemly dying in a plane explosion, just to be revealed later on that he wasn't dead.

I'm talking about Havok. Angel, Betsy, Storm and Jubilee were all wasted.

 

[psylockolussus]

Why would anyone think this was worse than The Last Stand? Everyone who has said that doesn't remember the events of The Last Stand.

Only for people to whine about how certain characters were killed or cured 8 years later until Dofp wiped it out and people celebrated? Even The Wolverine and Dofp acknowledged Jean's death in X3.

Yeah no one remembers that X3 movie.

 

[marvelrobbins]

some had it for apocalypse since comic con in 2015.many of the critism of film weren't very surprising where they were going if they payed attention.Singer
was calling it culmination of 6 films.This was always going to focus heavily on Xavier,magneto,and mystique.fact cyclops and jean got as much as they did was pleasent surprise.In some ways jean was real female lead in actual film.
she had the arc mystique role was basicly to save nightcrawler,be worried about magneto,take nightcrawler to mansion,and talk some sense into magneto.

This film took major influence from fall of mutants with magneto in the angel
role.it was obvious storm,angel,and psylocke wasn't going to be very devolped.and why people thought jubilee would be any thing but minor character is beyond me.

Apocalypse was very fitting portrayal to me.

 

[Stan Lee]

I'm talking about Havok.

I get Havok. His role was pretty much the same as Quicksilver's in Age of Ultron. A death that motivates their sibling to be a hero.

Angel, Betsy, Storm and Jubilee were all wasted.

Jubilee was meant to be nothing but a cameo. I can understand the other characters. Storm was the only that really needed to be in this movie due to what was set-up in DOFP.

Only for people to whine about how certain characters were killed or cured 8 years later until Dofp wiped it out and people celebrated? Even The Wolverine and Dofp acknowledged Jean's death in X3.

Yeah no one remembers that X3 movie.

I mean many people have forgotten major details about that film. Like Xavier holding back Jean's power because he believed she couldn't control it and Jean struggling with control of her power that resulted in Scott's death. The Jean/Xavier story in Apocalypse was meant to be a resolution to that, which many didn't caught.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Attuides towards films actually do change over time. Ever heard of films that don't age well?



I assume you mean Angel. It's highly unlikely that he is dead given that the storyline which the film was based on also featured him seemly dying in a plane explosion, just to be revealed later on that he wasn't dead. Did those geeks read the story this was based on?

And he fixed few things like Jean and the problem with that love triangle she was in.




Didn't say it was going to lead into that timeline but that the Jean-Xavier in Apocalypse is payoff to Xavier's arc in DOFP. Where he learned that he shouldn't control people.

with angel you are correct angel in film is very much like what happened in comics.he could totally come back.

while we in this timeline won't see wolverine with sophie turner jean grey till the inevitual recast you are right.

apocalypse as culmination of 6 films despite the timelines being different did as you said.

 

[psylockolussus]

I get Havok. His role was pretty much the same as Quicksilver's in Age of Ultron. A death that motivates their sibling to be a hero.



Jubilee was meant to be nothing but a cameo. I can understand the other characters. Storm was the only that really needed to be in this movie due to what was set-up in DOFP.



I mean many people have forgotten major details about that film. Like Xavier holding back Jean's power because he believed she couldn't control it and Jean struggling with control of her power that resulted in Scott's death. The Jean/Xavier story in Apocalypse was meant to be a resolution to that, which many didn't caught.

It is a ten year movie. Unless it is your favorite or have seen it every year since it was released then okay.

I saw Funding Dory this year and I barely remember what happened to Finding Memo.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I get Havok. His role was pretty much the same as Quicksilver's in Age of Ultron. A death that motivates their sibling to be a hero.



Jubilee was meant to be nothing but a cameo. I can understand the other characters. Storm was the only that really needed to be in this movie due to what was set-up in DOFP.



I mean many people have forgotten major details about that film. Like Xavier holding back Jean's power because he believed she couldn't control it and Jean struggling with control of her power that resulted in Scott's death. The Jean/Xavier story in Apocalypse was meant to be a resolution to that, which many didn't caught.

what's intresting is havok was almost killed off In DOFP.Havok's death is example of giving tragedy to hero on his journey

yes jubilee was never going to be more than cameo.it was inevitable storm,angel,and psylocke weren't going be devolped much

and your correct apocalypse brought closure to xavier/jean story.

 

[def28]

I get Havok. His role was pretty much the same as Quicksilver's in Age of Ultron. A death that motivates their sibling to be a hero.

I think it could have been done well. But this was horribly executed, and there was barely any relationship with Scott and his bro.

Havok blindly created his own death so Quicksilver could have a fun scene, then it's like an after thought that he died. It was disrespectful. These films kill off X-Men like the filmmakers don't care about them, and at this point I don't think they care about the majority. That Emma Frost line in DOFP still makes me angry. Why would that even be in the script? This is one of X-Mens leading Women, start wiring them well or don't use/mention them. Recast her if they had an issue with the actress.

I'm not a fan of AOU killing QS at all, it pissed me off. But at least he did so in a heroic manner. Not accidentally blowing up a school and himself so someone else can do the saving.