Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - Part 8

[Lip]

Meh they i expect the movie to focus mostly on jean Grey and the "x-women."

And I and many other fans expected Storm and other characters to have more focus on XMA just like they said, but it didn't happen. I expected Apocalypse to be portrayed as an eloquent leader and convince them to join them, but Storm, Psylocke and Angel had zero motivation to join him in a massive genocide. And so it goes...

I have no doubt magneto, prof x will have something to do but not be the main focus. I mean remember Scarlett johanssen and how shes payed more than most of the other actors and i dont see her getting top billing in every movie shes in.

That's because Marvel has a different structure and they prioritize characters over star power. Kinberg said in several interviews he won't be having those massive stars and give them minor roles.

I mean what, do u expect mystique and magneto to become pheonix's or something LOL.

From the studio that sewed Deadpool's mouth? That made Raven the X-Men leader and Charles's sister? From the writer that destroyed the Phoenix storyline by turning her into Logan's manpain and having him kill her? Among other things?

I wouldn't be surprised.

And another thing if magneto and mystique weren't taking a back seat then why not focus on them fro the EW magizine. Why would u put the unknown sophie Turner actress on the cover and why would u have only one pic of magneto without him even being in costume Lol.

Because they know CBM fans can kill or make the hype of any movie. Because they know to which audience they're appealing. Because they know which characters will have more appeal.

That's why they overused Psylocke to promote Apocalypse only to give her 1 line. That's why there's always Storm showcasing her powers in every trailer, when she has 2 lines the movies. That's why they named the alternative version of DoFP, "Rogue Cut", even tho she appeared in 30 seconds of the movie.

 

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And I and many other fans expected Storm and other characters to have more focus on XMA just like they said, but it didn't happen. I expected Apocalypse to be portrayed as an eloquent leader and convince them to join them, but Storm, Psylocke and Angel had zero motivation to join him in a massive genocide. And so it goes...



That's because Marvel has a different structure and they prioritize characters over star power. Kinberg said in several interviews he won't be having those massive stars and give them minor roles.



From the studio that sewed Deadpool's mouth? That made Raven the X-Men leader and Charles's sister? From the writer that destroyed the Phoenix storyline by turning her into Logan's manpain and having him kill her? Among other things?

I wouldn't be surprised.



Because they know CBM fans can kill or make the hype of any movie. Because they know to which audience they're appealing. Because they know which characters will have more appeal.

That's why they overused Psylocke to promote Apocalypse only to give her 1 line. That's why there's always Storm showcasing her powers in every trailer, when she has 2 lines the movies. That's why they named the alternative version of DoFP, "Rogue Cut", even tho she appeared in 30 seconds of the movie.

So basically what ur telling me is that Simon Kingberg is lieing, the cast ad crew are lieing, the producers are lieing, and the EW magazine are lieing and the only things that are true is that magneto, prof x, and mystique are getting top billing instead of Jean, and magneto and mystique have a serious chance at becoming twin phoenix's. Lol talk about trust issues. Also I have a problem with your last statement if they know the Pheonix/ Jean Grey is more appealing than the first class actors than why not focus on Jean Grey it just means more money for them. If they know Dark Pheonix is more bankable then why bother focusing on the first class actors?That would mean they're purposely losing money. Also they focused on mystique for apocalypse and that movie made less money so wouldn't that tempt the studio to put them more in the background for the next movie? Do you guys remember a quote from earlier this year from Lauren Shuler Donner yeah I bet you conveniently forgot about this. Are u going tell me shes lieing too? Here's the quote.
"We cannot, once again, explore the Erik/Charles dynamic." She explained. Charles and Erik, are "always essential" to future films, Shuler Donner says that she believes "there are other stories to tell."

 

[psylockolussus]

Lieing while promoting a film is nothing new.

 

[Lip]

So basically what ur telling me is that Simon Kingberg is lieing, the cast ad crew are lieing, the producers are lieing, and the EW magazine are lieing

I'm saying that they misguided the fans several times before to promote the movie. And you can google their interviews as well and check out for yourself. And what, do you honestly think they'll be honest promoting their movies? Do you honestly think they'll come out and say Storm will have only two lines? That the three horsemen won't have any development and character arc, only Eric? Really?

and the only things that are true is that magneto, prof x, and mystique are getting top billing instead of Jean, and magneto and mystique have a serious chance at becoming twin phoenix's. Lol talk about trust issues.

I am saying they've done major ****ups before, especially Kinberg, so who knows what he'll do now. Maybe they'll throw the Skrulls and Veranke instead of Sh'iar and Lilandra? Rumours are already pointing out for that. And Raven and Eric taking substantial roles in a storyline they don't fit at all, might cause serious damages. Do you remember X3? Also written by Kinberg?

Also I have a problem with your last statement if they know the Pheonix/ Jean Grey is more appealing than the first class actors than why not focus on Jean Grey it just means more money for them.

Hmmm... maybe that's why they struggle to get 700 millions when Marvel Studios and WB don't?

If they know Dark Pheonix is more bankable then why bother focusing on the first class actors?That would mean they're purposely losing money.

Because that's their vision. You can google yourself some interviews with the creative team. Kinberg said they prioritize the actors because in his mind that's the best thing about the franchise.

Do you guys remember a quote from earlier this year from Lauren Shuler Donner yeah I bet you conveniently forgot about this. Are u going tell me shes lieing too? Here's the quote.
"We cannot, once again, explore the Erik/Charles dynamic." She explained. Charles and Erik, are "always essential" to future films, Shuler Donner says that she believes "there are other stories to tell."

No, I didn't forget about that. I ignore that because I've seen many promises being made before and them never actually delivering that. And I'm not seeing a single sign of change in their vision.

But good luck trusting them.

 

[psylockolussus]

Donner have also said that X4 was in the works and that it leads to X5. Where's X5 now? You can't trust these producers.

 

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I'm saying that they misguided the fans several times before to promote the movie. And you can google their interviews as well and check out for yourself. And what, do you honestly think they'll be honest promoting their movies? Do you honestly think they'll come out and say Storm will have only two lines? That the three horsemen won't have any development and character arc, only Eric? Really?



I am saying they've done major ****ups before, especially Kinberg, so who knows what he'll do now. Maybe they'll throw the Skrulls and Veranke instead of Sh'iar and Lilandra? Rumours are already pointing out for that. And Raven and Eric taking substantial roles in a storyline they don't fit at all, might cause serious damages. Do you remember X3? Also written by Kinberg?




Hmmm... maybe that's why they struggle to get 700 millions when Marvel Studios and WB don't?



Because that's their vision. You can google yourself some interviews with the creative team. Kinberg said they prioritize the actors because in his mind that's the best thing about the franchise. Also again I dont believe that Magneto or mystique are getting the main focus. I still believe it will be Jean Grey. Everything seems to point in that direction. Im curious if u can tell me when the marketing for apocalypse started did Bryan singer and Simon Kingberg make people believe that psylocke and storm were going to get billing on the movie until they tricked everybody with mystique and magneto and mystique instead. Did they ever put psylocke and storm on the cover of an EW magazine that mostly only talks about them? Did Bryan Singer rehearse with those actressses weeks before shooting to make sure they got the potrayal right? Did those actresses do heavy studying in prep for their roles? I'm sorry but i have a really hard time believing that Jean Grey isn't getting top billing. I mean the premise of THE WHOLE MOVIE is based on that character. To deny that she is just seems baffling and outlandish to me at this point theres too much eveidence saying that she will, and I just can't ignore it like it isn't there.




No, I didn't forget about that. I ignore that because I've seen many promises being made before and them never actually delivering that. And I'm not seeing a single sign of change in their vision.

But good luck trusting them.

I can see why u may not trust them and i dont blame u, but i dont think the answer is just ignore whatever they say. I still have a few problems with your reply tho. Why does Kingberg's vision matter to fox if they believe Dark Pheonix is more bankable than why in the hell would they give a crap about Kingbergs vision. They would push him aside and make sure the dark Pheonix gets the most screen time. Fox doesnt work for Kingberg lol. This is a bussiness after all.

 

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I'm saying that they misguided the fans several times before to promote the movie. And you can google their interviews as well and check out for yourself. And what, do you honestly think they'll be honest promoting their movies? Do you honestly think they'll come out and say Storm will have only two lines? That the three horsemen won't have any development and character arc, only Eric? Really?



I am saying they've done major ****ups before, especially Kinberg, so who knows what he'll do now. Maybe they'll throw the Skrulls and Veranke instead of Sh'iar and Lilandra? Rumours are already pointing out for that. And Raven and Eric taking substantial roles in a storyline they don't fit at all, might cause serious damages. Do you remember X3? Also written by Kinberg?




Hmmm... maybe that's why they struggle to get 700 millions when Marvel Studios and WB don't?



Because that's their vision. You can google yourself some interviews with the creative team. Kinberg said they prioritize the actors because in his mind that's the best thing about the franchise. Also again I dont believe that Magneto or mystique are getting the main focus. I still believe it will be Jean Grey. Everything seems to point in that direction. Im curious if u can tell me when the marketing for apocalypse started did Bryan singer and Simon Kingberg make people believe that psylocke and storm were going to get billing on the movie until they tricked everybody with mystique and magneto and mystique instead. Did they ever put psylocke and storm on the cover of an EW magazine that mostly only talks about them? Did Bryan Singer rehearse with those actressses weeks before shooting to make sure they got the potrayal right? Did those actresses do heavy studying in prep for their roles? I'm sorry but i have a really hard time believing that Jean Grey isn't getting top billing. I mean the premise of THE WHOLE MOVIE is based on that character. To deny that she is just seems baffling and outlandish to me at this point theres too much eveidence saying that she will, and I just can't ignore it like it isn't there.




No, I didn't forget about that. I ignore that because I've seen many promises being made before and them never actually delivering that. And I'm not seeing a single sign of change in their vision.

But good luck trusting them.

I can see why u may not trust them and i dont blame u, but i dont think the answer is just ignore whatever they say. I still have a few problems with your reply tho. Why does Kingberg's vision matter to fox if they believe Dark Pheonix is more bankable than why in the hell would they give a crap about Kingbergs vision. They would push him aside and make sure the dark Pheonix gets the most screen time. Fox doesnt work for Kingberg lol. This is a bussiness after all.

 

[psyonic]

Donner have also said that X4 was in the works and that it leads to X5. Where's X5 now? You can't trust these producers.

She said X4 was being planned which leads to X5. We never even got "X4" lol

 

[Phoenix Egg]

the rumor is based on bias against Kingberg thats it. There is no evidence from the EW magizine, no leaked reports from on set, and no implication from any of the cast and crew, Yup this is u taking a flimsy rumor at best and running with it. U jumped to the worst possible conclusion. What makes ur OG post even worse is that u go even farther and claim that magneto will have a big dramatic scene afterwards when there's even less evidence that supports that and then label Kingberg as a "drama queen." Give me a break. Next time believe a rumor that actually has some backing behind it.

Despite the drama queening and histrionics being what they are, there actually IS a Genosha in the movie and it is probable that it will get destroyed.

The thing is though: Why is it probable that a Magneto-led society called Genosha will get destroyed? Because reactions to Genosha being destroyed are the only reasons to have a Genosha.

So you can ignore the nonsense or entertain it as you like.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Introducing Genosha just to kill it off immediately will be a terrible mistake. In fact, starting off Genosha as a Magneto-led mutant haven is a terrible idea in general as it kills off meatier storylines from the get-go, like the mistreatment of the mutant populace by the ruling human class and the numerous civil wars that followed. What we're getting is more akin to an Asteroid M, Avalon, Providence, or Utopia, especially given the floating element.

 

[DACrowe]

This is a random thought, but after seeing how TLJ was savaged by fans despite being a really good movie, it makes me realize DP is doomed, at least with hardcore fans. Even if it is good, even if it gets glowing reviews like DOFP did, the fan community is still so ready for a likely (but not guaranteed) reboot YEARS from now, that this thing will be hated on here and other places where hardcore comic book fans gather.

Just a thought.

 

[def28]

Meh. Pretty much everyone I know is mixed on Last Jedi. I can see why, I love Star Wars and I walked out not knowing wtf to think. There's also plenty who like it.

You complain about Marvel flicks even though they get high ratings and are labeled "really good". As do others. Same ****, different flick. Doesn't prove anything for this X-Men film. Any film that makes controversial decisions with it's characters is gonna get some criticism from a passionate fanbase.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I mean what, do u expect mystique and magneto to become pheonix's or something LOL. That would be funny as hell. And another thing if magneto and mystique weren't taking a back seat then why not focus on them fro the EW magizine. Why would u put the unknown sophie Turner actress on the cover and why would u have only one pic of magneto without him even being in costume Lol. I think u guys might be exaggerating the roles.

Maybe you are the one who's conveniently forgetting about Psylocke (next to Apocalypse and Magneto) being on the cover of this same magazine a couple of years ago.

Being on the cover of the magazine means nothing. It's just something for the fans to geek over. With how her costume being one of the more faithful adaptations from this franchise, it's fairly obvious why they chose to feature her rather than JLaw in bad makeup for the umteenth time.

 

[psylockolussus]

She said X4 was being planned which leads to X5. We never even got "X4" lol

Days of Future Past.

 

[psylockolussus]

This is a random thought, but after seeing how TLJ was savaged by fans despite being a really good movie, it makes me realize DP is doomed, at least with hardcore fans. Even if it is good, even if it gets glowing reviews like DOFP did, the fan community is still so ready for a likely (but not guaranteed) reboot YEARS from now, that this thing will be hated on here and other places where hardcore comic book fans gather.

Just a thought.

Oh lol. You are really gonna compare the Last Jedi of Rian Johnson to a film of a first time director who has a bad track record. Cmon!

First Class is hardly faithful and is accepted by fans. Same with X1/X2/Dofp.

 

[Weather Witch]

Days of Future Past.

The original X4 movie was going to focus on younger characters who would take over completely for X5 cuz the OT cast was going to be too expensive. So technically you are right, but we also got X5 and X3.5 as well with Apocalypse and First Class. And they added time travel rather than doing these in a chronological order.

 

[Havok83]

This is a random thought, but after seeing how TLJ was savaged by fans despite being a really good movie, it makes me realize DP is doomed, at least with hardcore fans. Even if it is good, even if it gets glowing reviews like DOFP did, the fan community is still so ready for a likely (but not guaranteed) reboot YEARS from now, that this thing will be hated on here and other places where hardcore comic book fans gather.

Just a thought.

Its an enjoyable movie, not necesarily a good one. I loved it after watching it but now that its settled in and reading up on it, I realize how much of a mess it is. Im not a big SW fan but I do think that most of the issues are valid. Im a huge X-men fan so I'll definitely be critical of DP, especially since this series consistently disappoints

 

[GuestStar2004]

This is a random thought, but after seeing how TLJ was savaged by fans despite being a really good movie, it makes me realize DP is doomed, at least with hardcore fans. Even if it is good, even if it gets glowing reviews like DOFP did, the fan community is still so ready for a likely (but not guaranteed) reboot YEARS from now, that this thing will be hated on here and other places where hardcore comic book fans gather.

Just a thought.

It certainly is possible to hate a movie before it even is released and often if you are already hating on a movie then you are also likely to hate the movie when its released because you will have a big critical eye on looking for problems.

Admittedly some people are able to move past it and judge the film on what it is but often it takes dropping some pride to do it

Although when it comes to critics and a fairly big part of the audience they will judge the movie on what it is and not with the fanatic goggles.

 

[DACrowe]

Meh. Pretty much everyone I know is mixed on Last Jedi. I can see why, I love Star Wars and I walked out not knowing wtf to think. There's also plenty who like it.

You complain about Marvel flicks even though they get high ratings and are labeled "really good". As do others. Same ****, different flick. Doesn't prove anything for this X-Men film. Any film that makes controversial decisions with it's characters is gonna get some criticism from a passionate fanbase.

The only MCU movies I've ever really hated are Iron Man 2 and Avengers 2 though. And I am talking about fan reaction. There is a kind of feeding frenzy where large swaths of the SW fanbase are now calling TLJ worse than most or all of the prequels. I mean opinion is opinion, but that is utter nonsense. But once that kind of group think set in, it increasingly becomes difficult to shake. Perception becomes the reality, at least in terms of online. And the perception among comic fans is Dark Phoenix will suck no matter what. And now that we have a new shiny and inarguably better (because everyone is projecting their idealized X-Men film onto it) MCU reboot down the road, I do not see Dark Phoenix shaking that perception.

With that said, as I pointed out in another thread, TLJ is actually fairly well received everywhere else. Critics, and general audience indicators like box office and even CinemaScore, show that the fan community does not exactly reflect most moviegoers. So Dark Phoenix still has a narrow chance of being well received if it is actually good. But even if in that unlikely event, that still will never happen on this board.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I am fairly surprised by TLJ backlash, but then it star wars and they say the biggest haters of star wars are the fans.

 

[Iceman]

This is a random thought, but after seeing how TLJ was savaged by fans despite being a really good movie, it makes me realize DP is doomed, at least with hardcore fans. Even if it is good, even if it gets glowing reviews like DOFP did, the fan community is still so ready for a likely (but not guaranteed) reboot YEARS from now, that this thing will be hated on here and other places where hardcore comic book fans gather.

Just a thought.

I think if the film is good and uncontroversial it will be well accepted. The only baggage is that this story has been done once before and that it might be early for a new cast to get a storyline this big and with such significant consequences. If it's average or worse it may get worse treatment than warranted though.

 

[def28]

The only MCU movies I've ever really hated are Iron Man 2 and Avengers 2 though. And I am talking about fan reaction. There is a kind of feeding frenzy where large swaths of the SW fanbase are now calling TLJ worse than most or all of the prequels. I mean opinion is opinion, but that is utter nonsense. But once that kind of group think set in, it increasingly becomes difficult to shake. Perception becomes the reality, at least in terms of online. And the perception among comic fans is Dark Phoenix will suck no matter what. And now that we have a new shiny and inarguably better (because everyone is projecting their idealized X-Men film onto it) MCU reboot down the road, I do not see Dark Phoenix shaking that perception.

With that said, as I pointed out in another thread, TLJ is actually fairly well received everywhere else. Critics, and general audience indicators like box office and even CinemaScore, show that the fan community does not exactly reflect most moviegoers. So Dark Phoenix still has a narrow chance of being well received if it is actually good. But even if in that unlikely event, that still will never happen on this board.

I like some of the prequels better then TLJ. Who cares? There were definitely some things in TLJ that made me think didin't they learn from the mistakes of the extended editions and prequels. There were also some things that I loved. I'm not gonna love it just cause the RT is high, or cause it's Star Wars. Outside of Kylo, Rey and Luke I just didn't' care about the other characters. That Casino section was a big wtf for me. Just as bad as the goofy stuff in the prequels. As was some of the Spaceballs humor in the opening.

The perception of X-Men First Class was that it was gonna suck and it became manys favorite when it was released including my own. The hate was primed after X3 and XMOW just as much as it was post XMA. I was ready to hate that film, but it was a welcome change for me especially in tone. Point being, it was well received online, with audiences plus had plenty going against it.

IF X-MEN DP is actually good and doesn't make controversial decisions with characters it's gonna get respect from plenty.

 

[Cktopl33]

Magneto is in the movie and Kinberg says he always writes meaty roles for J-Law, Fassbender and McAvoy. They're the big stars, the highest paid - and they aren't getting just a cameo for the amount of money they're earning.

So if you think Fassbender's Magneto is going to sit on Genosha doing embroidery, you are sorely mistaken.

I'll repeat a tweet I saw on that very subject here:

Friendly reminder that Jennifer Lawrence was from July 27th to August 20 on set and Michael Fassbender was from August 17th to September 16. They're not main characters in#DarkPhoenix! #educatingFanboys

 

[kevork89]

But they both filmed for roughly a month. It’s been said before but Ian McKellan shot X2 in two weeks and look how big his role was.

 

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I'll repeat a tweet I saw on that very subject here:

Oh wow really. Only that long. That seems promising.