The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 7

[Elevator Man]

James Horner stated in an interview (back in April of 2015) that he wasn't asked to come back for TAS-M2. He also never saw it and said "it was mistakenly printed that he detested the film."

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The Guru #18: A Conversation with Screen Composer James Horner

 

[Ryan]

I have to say, I am coming around to the idea of an R rated Batman. Previously I was opposed, anything you could depict about Batman could be done under a PG 13 rating. But I am more receptive to the idea that going R would force WB to slash the budget and make them go low key. This would finally give me the intimate, small scale detective Batman film I've always wanted. Utilize the rating. Don't make Batman more violent. Make his world more violent. Create a horror-like film.

I 100% support this idea and its why I preferred BB and TDK over the large scale of TDKR. One of my favourite moments from the trilogy remains the dock scene in BB for exactly that horrific feeling that it had.

 

[BatLobster]

I have to say, I am coming around to the idea of an R rated Batman. Previously I was opposed, anything you could depict about Batman could be done under a PG 13 rating. But I am more receptive to the idea that going R would force WB to slash the budget and make them go low key. This would finally give me the intimate, small scale detective Batman film I've always wanted. Utilize the rating. Don't make Batman more violent. Make his world more violent. Create a horror-like film.

I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'd definitely be up for a smaller scale Batman film, but at the same time I don't think you need more gore to create a scarier, more violent world. That's why people always say TDK felt like an R even though it wasn't. The Joker's magic trick IMO gets under your skin much more without literally seeing the pencil go through the guy's eye, for example.

I don't know...I suppose if going R gave them incentive to slash the budget and do a smaller scale movie, it could be worth it. At the same time, I'd be somewhat worried about them milking the rating. That is one thing I have to say about Logan. They really hit you over the head with all the F-bombs, and even have a gratuitous boobs scene. There were times where it really felt like they were saying "look what we can do!" which ironically undercut the mature tone that they mostly did achieve. The violence, on the other hand, was definitely necessary for the themes they were dealing with.

 

[shauner111]

I 100% support this idea and its why I preferred BB and TDK over the large scale of TDKR. One of my favourite moments from the trilogy remains the dock scene in BB for exactly that horrific feeling that it had.

I only love the large scale of TDKR because it's the final chapter. A smaller scale would not have worked for that story.

 

[I Am The Knight]

James Horner stated in an interview (back in April of 2015) that he wasn't asked to come back for TAS-M2. He also never saw it and said "it was mistakenly printed that he detested the film."

Check it out on Soundcloud at 1:13:24-1:15:44
The Guru #18: A Conversation with Screen Composer James Horner

That makes sense

I love his ASM score, one of my all time fave CBM scores.

 

[shauner111]

I thought it was absolutely forgettable.

 

[BatLobster]

I still feel Elfman's Spidey scores are terribly underrated.

 

[Kane52630]

It never gets old.

 

[Greens]

I'm a huge Elfman fan but his Spider-Man music does nothing for me. He was already way past his prime at that point.

 

[BatLobster]

2:50 gets me right in the feels every time.

 

[The Shape]

Love the SM1 and SM2 scores. SM3, no so much due to the awful themes of its villains. Elfman was missed on that one.

 

[shauner111]

So apparently WB wants Matthew Vaughn to direct MOS 2.

 

[Greens]

Naturally. He's a great director.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It never gets old.

Still gives me chills. Captured Spidey perfectly.

 

[StarLord]

So apparently WB wants Matthew Vaughn to direct MOS 2.

Reeves and Vaughn could possibly turn it all around. How hilarious that would be.

 

[Greens]

Reeves and Vaughn could possibly turn it all around. How hilarious that would be.

Imagine if they snag Gibson as well. At least one of those movies HAS to be good.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

So apparently WB wants Matthew Vaughn to direct MOS 2.

we can only pray

 

[Shikamaru]

Personally, unless it's an Elseworld story, I wouldn't be down for an R-rated Batman. Nolan's films were about as dark as I want Batman movies to get. I don't want them any lighter, but I don't want them darker either.

Also, I don't like the idea of teens being excluded from Bat films. From my experience, you don't fully appreciate Batman until you reach your teen years. That's when I started realizing just how similar the real world is to Gotham. I think it's a mistake to exclude teens from more mature Batman experiences.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Personally, unless it's an Elseworld story, I wouldn't be down for an R-rated Batman. Nolan's films were about as dark as I want Batman movies to get. I don't want them any lighter, but I don't want them darker either.

Also, I don't like the idea of teens being excluded from Bat films. From my experience, you don't fully appreciate Batman until you reach your teen years. That's when I started realizing just how similar the real world is to Gotham. I think it's a mistake to exclude teens from more mature Batman experiences.

Teens can still go with their parents.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I'm kind of on the fence about it. I'd definitely be up for a smaller scale Batman film, but at the same time I don't think you need more gore to create a scarier, more violent world. That's why people always say TDK felt like an R even though it wasn't. The Joker's magic trick IMO gets under your skin much more without literally seeing the pencil go through the guy's eye, for example.

I don't know...I suppose if going R gave them incentive to slash the budget and do a smaller scale movie, it could be worth it. At the same time, I'd be somewhat worried about them milking the rating. That is one thing I have to say about Logan. They really hit you over the head with all the F-bombs, and even have a gratuitous boobs scene. There were times where it really felt like they were saying "look what we can do!" which ironically undercut the mature tone that they mostly did achieve. The violence, on the other hand, was definitely necessary for the themes they were dealing with.

I disagree. Logan was an old man who had seen it all taken away from him. An empty shell who only existed to carry around an ill old man. He simply gave no ****s at that point. The constant cussing was appropriate for that mindset.

 

[Shikamaru]

Teens can still go with their parents.

Still, I can't think of anything important an R-rated film could do that TDK couldn't. Cussing isn't a big part of Bat folkrore like with Wolverine. Characters like Joker and Zsasz can get gory, but a big part of what made Heath's version so scary is how ambiguous a lot of killings were (you never saw how Gambol was killed, for example). I guess Mad Hatter being a pedophile maybe?

Though to be fair, Daredevil was MA and was just fine. But he's also a bit darker than Batman.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well, the violence can be more explicit. The aftermath of murders. The brutality of the criminals and the villains. Increased sexuality on Batman's romances.

I guess Mad Hatter being a pedophile maybe?

Killer Croc can be really petrifying if they hold nothing back in depicting him. Also, the underworld generally works a lot better when they are not sanitized by PG-13.

 

[Ryan]

I have to say, I am coming around to the idea of an R rated Batman. Previously I was opposed, anything you could depict about Batman could be done under a PG 13 rating. But I am more receptive to the idea that going R would force WB to slash the budget and make them go low key. This would finally give me the intimate, small scale detective Batman film I've always wanted. Utilize the rating. Don't make Batman more violent. Make his world more violent. Create a horror-like film.

It's really neither here nor there as the trilogy is over, but I would have liked to have seen something, as Tacit Ronin suggested, something smaller scale and intimate for TDKR. I think of movies like Se7en or Unforgiven which both featured a character on the verge of retirement to come back that one last time. I think TDK will be as close as they can come for me for the ultimate Batman movie. Still, I'm willing to keep an open mind for future Batman movies.

 

[shauner111]

Logan's cussing was perfect. My kind of movie! That's how people talk. Does Batman or Gordon need to drop the F bomb every two minutes ? No. But other characters in that world might. I don't have a problem with a lot of cussing in movies.

 

[BatLobster]

I disagree. Logan was an old man who had seen it all taken away from him. An empty shell who only existed to carry around an ill old man. He simply gave no ****s at that point. The constant cussing was appropriate for that mindset.

No arguments about Logan himself, but not sure I needed to hear F-bombs flying out of Xavier's mouth too. I know the point was that it was supposed to be jarring, to me it just took me out of the movie a bit because it felt out of character for him and that it was simply there because they could. I've got no problem with liberal use of cussing in movies though, if it fits. At the same time a line doesn't automatically become better just because the F word is there. There's a fine line to walk there where it can be too much of a good thing, especially if you're not writing Tarantino-level dialogue and just literally having characters shout "F***!" over and over.

Don't get me wrong though, I think Logan was excellent and definitely a unique and special entry in the genre. Just a minor nitpick and a bit of a cautionary statement, cause I can easily see the R-rated thing jumping the shark if studios learn the wrong lessons from its success- as they tend to do.