The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge

[BatLobster]

I blame Jett.

 

[The Joker]

^ Which one is the infamous Jett?

 

[BatLobster]

The guy on the left would be him. The guy on the right is Zack Snyder, lol. Unless that was a joke, in which case sorry for ruining it.

 

[Travesty]

Oh snap, he's the bestest of friends with Snyder, too?

I bet they text all night.

 

[The Joker]

The guy on the left would be him. The guy on the right is Zack Snyder, lol. Unless that was a joke, in which case sorry for ruining it.

I was actually serious lol. Not being a Snyder fan I don't generally read or follow anything on him or his movies. I think I saw a pic of him once several years ago for something Watchmen related (which I liked). I've totally forgotten what he looks like since

So the joke's on me

 

[BatLobster]

Oh snap, he's the bestest of friends with Snyder, too?

I bet they text all night.

"hey zack just was thinking would it be possible to lose WW from BvS one super-powered being is ok but two is idk not my batman"

"sorry bro the cut is already locked my hands are tied maybe next time"

"jk lol it's ok, as long as batman doesn't have to fight alongside them at the end it's all good"

"...."

 

[BH/HHH]

I disagree. Every character is open to interpretation when they're put on screen, not just the Joker. In that sense you can "get away" with it. But just because they're open to interpretation doesn't mean you can make any change and it's good. Leto's Joker look is a prime example of that. This is another;

Well I personally think the change is good so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Banes voice is still one of the highlights of the trilogy for me. Im a major Hardy fanboy and i think he can do no wrong, like Fassbender. Even when they're in bad or mediocre films, they're always the highlight.

That's blind loyalty for you but those are two fantastic actors. I still think the Bane voice was terrible myself.

One more negative (hehe): Cavill is annoying me. He literally has the same facial expression in every bit of footage we've seen. Even when Batman asks him if he bleeds, he has the same PISSED OFF POUTY FACE! It's hilarious! It just never ends. Is it specific choices for the trailers so it gets into our minds that Superman is pissed? Is there more to his performance lmao? Or is Cavill just a super one-dimensional actor? If he's like that the whole movie, i won't be able to take it. Was wondering what you guys thought about him?

Not at all, Cavill has showed plenty of range IMO even just in the way he acts without dialogue. I thought he was great in MOS aswell.

I do think they're trying to show how pissed off Superman is tbh but I think given the subject matter it's warranted. Batman has come across the same in the trailers.

Cavill is certainly not one dimensional either, all you have to do is watch the Tudors and you'll see what else he's capable of.

I do think that's I've of the silliest nit picks I've ever read tbh.

 

[BatLobster]

Superman is a tricky character to play. 99% of it is just in the casting, and I do think they got the casting right.

Henry is just in a tough spot because they're giving him this dark material to work with, but unfortunately Supes has still been coming across a bit mopey. I'm waiting to see some more charm.

 

[The Shape]

In fairness to both Cavill and Affleck, it's pretty tough (if not impossible) to display their "range" (or charm) for acting as these characters in trailers and TV spots.

That's why it sometimes baffles me when people try to make the case that Cavill has come off as thing more than "wooden" in BvS marketing so far. Well, yeah, because he haven't really seen him act in a scene or interact with other characters, nor have we seen him during what are sure to be intense (or lighthearted) scenes in the film itself. For all we now, he could deliver a performance that is more charming and fleshed out than what we saw in MOS.

It also seems that the decision to not have Superman speak in the SDCC trailer, and not showing a lot of his scenes with dialogue in the overall marketing campaign, was a deliberate one. In both the original teaser and SDCC trailer, we see and hear multiple characters talking ABOUT Superman and offering conflicting viewpoints about him and his place in society (whether or not he can be trusted, what he stands for, how dangerous he could potentially be, etc) almost as if he's on trial (which he kinda is at one point), without getting his perspective or hearing him plead his case. ("I'm a good guy, everyone! I promise!")

It's like they've set the stage for the conflict surrounding Superman in the film (and the conflict between him and Batman), but are leaving it up to the film itself to demonstrate why he CAN be trusted and why he IS a force for good.

 

[Travesty]

Either way, Jett is friends with Snyder, so this movie is impossible to fail, now.

 

[BatLobster]

I could potentially see it playing out that way. We'll see.

I think what left me the most cold actually is Cavill as Clark, in the party scene with Bruce. He doesn't even seem to be playing him any differently than Superman. I'm not saying we need a bumbling Clark ala Reeves but idk...somehow it just highlights the ridiculousness of the disguise even more for me, especially because he's just so jacked and masculine looking despite the attempt to appear nerdy with the huge glasses. I'm not writing off the entire performance, but I am interested to see how he plays Clark as a reporter and how they handle the disguise thing.

 

[The Shape]

I could potentially see it playing out that way. We'll see.

I think what left me the most cold actually is Cavill as Clark, in the party scene with Bruce. He doesn't even seem to be playing him any differently than Superman. I'm not saying we need a bumbling Clark ala Reeves but idk...somehow it just highlights the ridiculousness of the disguise even more for me, especially because he's just so jacked and masculine looking despite the attempt to appear nerdy with the huge glasses. I'm not writing off the entire performance, but I am interested to see how he plays Clark as a reporter and how they handle the disguise thing.

Yeah, and again, we essentially saw/heard him say two sentences and ask a question to Bruce in an ultra-condensed version of that scene (for which we can safely say that there will be more to that conversation).

Impossible to say or predict that there will be no variation between the way he acts as Clark and as Superman based on that alone. I'm guessing (and hoping) that he acts a little more goofy and happy-go-luck as Clark, but not nearly to the level that Reeves played it.

 

[BatLobster]

Impossible to say or predict that there will be no variation between the way he acts as Clark and as Superman based on that alone. I'm guessing (and hoping) that he acts a little more goofy and happy-go-luck as Clark, but not nearly to the level that Reeves played it.

I fully acknowledge that I could be completely wrong, but I just am getting the feeling that they want to do a full 180 from the happy go lucky Clark. Especially with all that will be weighing on him in this movie.

 

[Decepticonus]

I disagree. Every character is open to interpretation when they're put on screen, not just the Joker. In that sense you can "get away" with it. But just because they're open to interpretation doesn't mean you can make any change and it's good. Leto's Joker look is a prime example of that. This is another;

True, that design was pretty bad. Though keep in mind, that show was aimed at kids, not us. I'd be open to the long hair and straight-jacket aspects.
I have warmed up to Leto's Joker, when I saw shots of him in clothes. There's one clip where's he wearing this purple, kinda Eddie Murphy raw, long coat. But to me it works, he has this David Bowie vibe like Miller's TDKR Joker. Though I'd still remove the damaged tattoo on the forehead, a bit too on the nose and I don't believe that Joker (any version) believes he is damaged.

 

[shauner111]

Well, Cavill was OK but definitely wooden in many scenes. I don't think he has much range.

And now he has glasses for no reason since he acts the same. Cuz that's gonna make him look real different..

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's funny. Cavil strikes as being very Superman-like in interviews. Yet none of that natural warmth, personable disposition and charisma is utilized in MOS. Why cast Cavil for a set of qualities and then not use it?

 

[shauner111]

I have personally never seen him use the same amount of warmth, charisma in his roles. I haven't seen much from him but he's usually very wooden to me. So it's either Zack can't direct actors very well, Goyer can't write Clark very well or Cavill just simply doesn't have the ability to bring that real-life side of himself into a character.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's kinda like the Rock. Insane amounts of charisma in the squared circle. But on screen he is always more muted, though nowhere near as bland as Cavil, of course. (It's the freaking Rock)

 

[shauner111]

Exactly. But i would rather watch Rock any day.

 

[BH/HHH]

He does have range, watch the Tudors or even his small role in Stardust.

I personally thought he was great in MOS, he showed so much warmth in his scenes with Lois so I don't get that complaint. He is definitely not bland either. But hey each to their own.

Probably best to move on.

What's everyone think of Killer Croc's look in Suicide Squad?

 

[Decepticonus]

What's everyone think of Killer Croc's look in Suicide Squad?

I'm fine with it, I recall at first not many liked it. As long as it ain't Jim Lee's which looks more like Ditko's Lizard but on steroids, just not very original.

For the record, fine with Cavill. I recall watching Immortals, which sucked and bored me to death but he was fine in it, had no problem with him. It was everything else.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm fine with it, I recall at first not many liked it. As long as it ain't Jim Lee's which looks more like Ditko's Lizard but on steroids, just not very original.

For the record, fine with Cavill. I recall watching Immortals, which sucked and bored me to death but he was fine in it, had no problem with him. It was everything else.

For the record I loved Immortals haha

But Croc, yeah I like the design aswell

 

[The Batman]

It's funny. Cavil strikes as being very Superman-like in interviews. Yet none of that natural warmth, personable disposition and charisma is utilized in MOS. Why cast Cavil for a set of qualities and then not use it?

I feel like he showed more charm in one scene of "Man From U.N.C.L.E" than he did in the entirety of MOS.

 

[JackWhite]

I think before BvS comes out I will finally get around to re-watching MOS. I've tried in the past but didn't think I could stomach it again, lol.

 

[The Shape]

I actually just caught MOS on TV last week and pretty much watched it all the way through, which was the first time I'd seen it in full since 2014.

I'm not a big MOS fan by any means, but I don't hate the film like some do or feel that it's a truly bad film at its core. All the pieces of the "MOS puzzle" didn't quite come together in the way that I feel they could (and should) have. I've realized there are actually a bunch of things I like about the movie individually, but the overall film lacks the proper synergy and connective tissue to properly bring those things together in a satisfying way.

Aside from the typical criticisms of MOS and Snyder we read on the Hype every day ad nauseam, the film is just missing something. If it had been stronger and more emotionally fulfilling in some places, I think some of those other shaky elements/decisions could have been forgiven (or at least ragged on less).

I know that, as director, the buck stops with Snyder, but I think what hurt MOS the most was not having a better screenwriter (or even co-writer) on board. I also think it was a bit of a mistake to have Nolan involved in breaking the story with Goyer -- which is not throwing shade at Chris Nolan at all. I love Nolan, but I don't know if he was the right guy to get involved with Superman in any capacity, and I can help but wonder how the film would have turned out if someone else had helped craft the story or collaborated with Goyer on the screenplay. Or, you know, not have Goyer involved at all maybe.