The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge

[Slade W]

IT wasn't wooden to me and that's my opinion. I'm nit gonna say someone else is wrong because I don't agree with them.

I wouldn't be bothered by what a few moany gits (myself included in the moany git category) in this thread think about Cavill or BvS. Good for you that you like Cavill and that you are excited about BvS and if some people cannot accept that and try to tell you that you are wrong for thinking that way, then they are not worth bothering with.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Another positive I'll say for Snyder is I am thankful that he shoots on film. It really does make the product feel more cinematic, which honestly does help sell me when one of your main two actors is seemingly giving a low-grade TV level performance.

This is 2016, shooting on digital wouldn't make a film feel any less cinematic unless you didn't know what you were doing. Look at some of the most cinematic films of the year like Mad Max: Fury Road, The Revenant, Sicario or The Martian, all shot on digital.

And I think it's pretty cool that it's 2016 and we've still yet to see a live action Batman shot digitally. Keeps the character steeped in tradition

Batman is also a progressive. His tech is always being updated. I don't think shooting in digital would be such a thematic incongruence in regards to Batman. Imagine Batman lit by Jeff Cronenweth using a Red Dragon or by Deakins using the Arri ALexa. Or maybe even Emanuel Lubezky. It would entail glorious results.

 

[BH/HHH]

I wouldn't be bothered by what a few moany gits (myself included in the moany git category) in this thread think about Cavill or BvS. Good for you that you like Cavill and that you are excited about BvS and if some people cannot except that and try to tell you that you are wrong for thinking that way, then they are not worth bothering with.

 

[BatLobster]

This is 2016, shooting on digital wouldn't make a film feel any less cinematic unless you didn't know what you were doing. Look at some of the most cinematic films of the year like Mad Max: Fury Road, The Revenant, Sicario or The Martian, all shot on digital.

Sorry, I'm a bit of a purist what can I say? I love the natural grain and the dynamic range of film, and I can still always tell the difference. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate digital- all of those movies are gorgeously shot and look great, but film still just has that intangible quality to me.

Batman is also a progressive. His tech is always being updated. I don't think shooting in digital would be such a thematic incongruence in regards to Batman. Imagine Batman lit by Jeff Cronenweth using a Red Dragon or by Deakins using the Arri ALexa. Or maybe even Emanuel Lubezky. It would entail glorious results.

I'm sure it would, and I'm not saying it's thematically relevant...I just think it's a cool tidbit that Batman might be the only superhero left that's exclusively been shot on film. Not even Superman can make that claim, since Singer shot SR on Panavision's Genesis (and got some good results).

Just to be clear I'm not a digital hater (how could I be when 99% of the content I watch is shot digital?), but film just has that special quality for me that can elevate something in and of itself.

 

[shauner111]

It's all starting to make sense now!

 

[Victarion]

Dear R'hllor do I want to see Bats knock Superman off that pillar of self-righteousness.

 

[BatLobster]

Oh god hahaha

"What's the S sand for?"

"Sand."

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Dear R'hllor do I want to see Bats knock Superman off that pillar of self-righteousness.

Um, if anything Batman has been the self righteous one. This clip does not negate Batman's whining from the other trailers.

 

[Decepticonus]

Love that new clip, it was great. It made Supes look like a total bad ass.

 

[The Batman]

Dear R'hllor do I want to see Bats knock Superman off that pillar of self-righteousness.

That's how I feel right now. It's funny, I've seen people get criticized for thinking that Superman might be overstepping his bounds.

But even Perry White tells Clark "You don't get to decide what the right thing is". I think they're setting up the idea that neither Bruce nor Clark is 100% right in how they're approaching certain situations.

 

[BatLobster]

I dunno, I think they're both being kind of self-righteous in a way. Why does Superman get to be judge, jury and (implied) executioner here? Why does he get to step onto Batman's turf and tell him what to do? Is it because Batman "thinks he's above the law"? As if Superman doesn't act outside the law himself?

I need more context. As of right now it just seems like Supes doesn't like that Batman is an extreme vigilante, which seems a bit thin and slightly hypocritical. I hope there's more to it. They've completely sold me so far on why Batman would see Superman as an enemy, but I'm not quite seeing the validity of Supes' motivation yet.

 

[shauner111]

I like the idea behind it. Superman not giving a ****, telling him straight up. But it falls apart for me when the scene starts to play out. Anakin takes over.

 

[shauner111]

Oh god hahaha

"What's the S sand for?"

"Sand."

 

[Victarion]

This all reminds me of something I read where Superman was originally intended to be a villainous character.

 

[shauner111]

The problem is that both seem to be marketed as villains battling each other. Until Doomsday comes into the picture. I don't see any heroism from batman (other than Bruce helping a child) and not too much from Superman either. From the dream sequence to his interactions with bats, it's like Supes is a villain. Even the shot of him taking forever, hovering over that poor family on the roof of their house, it's quite funny cuz he's all like "LOOK AT ME! such a glorious shot and im just gonna stare at you while you beg me" instead of you know...just making it quick and helping the friggin family.

Marketing is extremely strange.

 

[Victarion]

Bruce being there for that child is heroism enough. For me, anyway. Likewise, I don't think you could convince that family that Superman wasn't their hero (Assuming, of course, that he saves them).

Otherwise, to Bats and Supes, I say do whatever you need to when it comes to heroics. Granted, I have strange tastes in heroes. One of mine favorites ultimately made saving all of existence a side quest, while the other had a thing for executing prisoners by burning. Though both served righteous causes.

 

[Decepticonus]

This all reminds me of something I read where Superman was originally intended to be a villainous character.

You mean that old original Golden Age story?

I like the idea behind it. Superman not giving a ****, telling him straight up. But it falls apart for me when the scene starts to play out. Anakin takes over.

Anakin? Riiiiiiiight. Um no.

 

[The Shape]

They're not both being marketed as villains. It's pretty clear what we're seeing here -- a conflict between their methods and ideologies, and what they stand for. They are both individuals who are not only in conflict with one another, but they are also in conflict with society. They both realize the potential danger of one another should they choose to use their "abilities" or methods to cause serious harm to the public.

But even Perry White tells Clark "You don't get to decide what the right thing is". I think they're setting up the idea that neither Bruce nor Clark is 100% right in how they're approaching certain situations.

Exactly, and that's part of what's interesting to me about their conflict. All of us and the movie's viewers will know that Batman and Superman are technically "good guys". The both mean well, they want to protect innocent people from harm, even if they go about doing so in different ways, and I'm sure the film will make this clear.

But as you said, neither of them are 100% in the right and they each seem to have some issues. Is Superman not being a hypocrite here? Is he right to think that he's above us and gets to decide "what the right thing is"? After all this Batman has been through (including the death of a Robin), is he right in being so distrustful of Superman? Have his methods become too extreme over time? Will he realize that he no longer has to be a "one man" army and learn to be trusting enough to fight side by side with someone again?

Obviously, we have a pretty good idea as to how those questions will be answered and what the outcome will be, but it'll be interesting to see how they get there.

Part of what intrigues me about this conflict are the motivations and ideologies in play here, including Lex's. Rather than the typical superhero fare featuring a hero facing off against a villain bent on causing chaos and destruction or gaining power, each of these men truly believe that what they are doing will make the world a better place, including Lex it seems going by the viral marketing and interviews with Eisenberg. The "right and wrong" here isn't exactly so cut and dry.

 

[Brother Jack]

I'm for not making Clark 100% right but it still strikes me as odd to see him so explicitly hostile and threatening.

The cowl still looks fat to me, especially in closeup. The suit mostly looks good in stills and truncated bits of footage but I'm still skeptical about it being able to move fluidly in motion. It's kind of similar to the Begins suit in that way.

 

[The Joker]

The cowl still looks fat to me, especially in closeup. The suit mostly looks good in stills and truncated bits of footage but I'm still skeptical about it being able to move fluidly in motion. It's kind of similar to the Begins suit in that way.

Yep. 'Teh puffy' is making a come back.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I said it before, the same suit would look miles better if they lost the bloat. In fact, I remember seeing a slimmer version of the suit somewhere in the Batsuit thread and it looked much better.

 

[The Joker]

It's probably some silly attempt to make Batman look bigger and more physically imposing.

 

[Decepticonus]

I'm for not making Clark 100% right but it still strikes me as odd to see him so explicitly hostile and threatening.

It works sometimes, only in a particular act or story. I recall his hostility towards Darkseid in the DCAU, when Darkseid wanted his help to repel Brainiac and his invasion, as he'll siphon all the information of a planet and when he's done as Superman put it - "He'll destroy it. Good." and there was this unanimous gasp and "SUPERMAN?" from the rest of the JL when he said that. You wouldn't expect Superman to be OK with the death and destruction of an entire planet, it seemed out of character for him but he had good reasons due to his history with Darkseid. Luckily, Supes didn't carry this attitude into the rest of the series, but alone in this story it worked. I think it is interesting to see heroes challenge what the expected norm of them is, every once and while. Again, as long as there is good reason for it and doesn't become the new norm, it makes for great heroic melodrama.

Separate note, what do people think of Snyder's take on the Batmobile from Conan.

 

[shauner111]

What did he say?

 

[The Joker]

Something about Bruce Wayne designing it so it looks more "batty".