90th Annual Academy Awards - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

Actually, thinking more about this I suppose the argument could be made that The Shape of Water is more fantasy than science fiction - given that the origin of the creature itself is more mythological and not science-based.

It's a debate. I can see elements of both. The creature is mythical, but the surrounding dressing involves dissection and the film deals with the science of the creature. But it also has unexplained abilities, too.

I could see it being categorized either way.

 

[Dave McFly]

that made me

 

[Pink Ranger]

It's a debate. I can see elements of both. The creature is mythical, but the surrounding dressing involves dissection and the film deals with the science of the creature. But it also has unexplained abilities, too.

I could see it being categorized either way.

It falls in the same realm as ET; if ET counts as fantasy, then so does TSOW. I tend toward science fiction, because the storyline deals with the effects of the fantastic element on the world. Almost all science fiction contains elements that make no sense from a scientific point of view, or phenomena that are unexplained.

 

[NotNickFury]

Okay, now I have to watch- was busy watching Divorce and The Walking Dead- just for that. Anything noteworthy happen at the Oscars? As in something funny or off-script?

 

[Spider-Fan]

It falls in the same realm as ET; if ET counts as fantasy, then so does TSOW. I tend toward science fiction, because the storyline deals with the effects of the fantastic element on the world. Almost all science fiction contains elements that make no sense from a scientific point of view, or phenomena that are unexplained.

I lean toward Sci-Fi because it takes place within our world exclusively. Normally with Fantasy, I am thinking of far away worlds and lands or magic, but if it is distinctly just taking place in our world I lean toward Sci-Fi. I guess then we ask the question of what is considered magic or stemming from magic? That is where I see it being murky

 

[Black Narcissus]

Emma Stone: "These four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces this year."

Eh, felt like this was in poor taste. Asian brothas and sisters aint going to forget you played an asian character, Emma. lol

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Spider-Fan]

There is no part of me that thinks GDT is anything but the world's nicest guy, LOL! I admire the passion that shines through in his films.

 

[Dr.]

Both Adam West and Tobe Hooper weren't in the memoriam.

If the Academy didn’t forget a few folks then we wouldn’t get those entertaining “outrage articles” the next day.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Emma Stone: "These four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces this year."

Eh, felt like this was in poor taste. Asian brothas and sisters aint going to forget you played an asian character, Emma. lol

On the scale of bougie liberal oppression outrage, Asians rank at the bottom, so it's no surprise.

 

[Sawyer]

Emma Stone: "These four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces this year."

Eh, felt like this was in poor taste. Asian brothas and sisters aint going to forget you played an asian character, Emma. lol

Is "Cameron Crowe had you play asian once, so you don't get to talk about gender inequality" the point you're making here? Because if so, it's not the greatest.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Mysteryman]

WAKANDA FOREVER!
Chadwick Boseman actually said that to a crowd of fans last night.
Very Cool.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Is "Cameron Crowe had you play asian once, so you don't get to talk about gender inequality" the point you're making here? Because if so, it's not the greatest.

Nah, it wasnt together. A simple joke. Also, Crowe didnt make her do a damn thing, she took the part, but that is a whole different case. I just felt it was in poor taste to take a jab at the director category with two minorities in that group is all.

 

[Boom]

I'll say this about Emma Stone's comment (and Natalie Portman's for that matter), and leave it be.

Whether they intended it this way or not, their comments do come across as a bit guilt-trippy towards the male nominees, and I would say that that is unfair to them. Yes, there is an issue of gender and race inequality in Hollywood. Yes, it is an issue worth addressing. However, I don't think calling it out at the expense of other people is necessarily the best course of action. They didn't ask to be nominated, and they were being recognized for their strong work (in Del Toro's case, the culmination of a career). Del Toro, Anderson, Nolan, and Peele all deserved to be there just as much as Gerwig, so for the Best Director group to be qualified all season long as "four men and Greta Gerwig" is a bit dismissive to say the least. Are they supposed to feel bad because they are male directors that got nominated? I get that the comments were meant to call out the industry in general, but to use that specific category as your platform, well, you can't help but implicate those men as well. I think Del Toro's reaction to Portman's remark at the Globes summed it up perfectly. It was an almost "What did I do?" kind of look.

I doubt it was Stone's or Portman's intentions to insult the male nominees, but speaking for myself, if I were in their shoes it probably would've rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[LoganGambit87]

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'll say this about Emma Stone's comment (and Natalie Portman's for that matter), and leave it be.

Whether they intended it this way or not, their comments do come across as a bit guilt-trippy towards the male nominees, and I would say that that is unfair to them. Yes, there is an issue of gender and race inequality in Hollywood. Yes, it is an issue worth addressing. However, I don't think calling it out at the expense of other people is necessarily the best course of action. They didn't ask to be nominated, and they were being recognized for their strong work (in Del Toro's case, the culmination of a career). Del Toro, Anderson, Nolan, and Peele all deserved to be there just as much as Gerwig, so for the Best Director group to be qualified all season long as "four men and Greta Gerwig" is a bit dismissive to say the least. Are they supposed to feel bad because they are male directors that got nominated? I get that the comments were meant to call out the industry in general, but to use that specific category as your platform, well, you can't help but implicate those men as well. I think Del Toro's reaction to Portman's remark at the Globes summed it up perfectly. It was an almost "What did I do?" kind of look.

I doubt it was Stone's or Portman's intentions to insult the male nominees, but speaking for myself, if I were in their shoes it probably would've rubbed me the wrong way.

It was a dick move.

 

[Kane52630]

Would love to see Kumail Nanjiani host next year.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

How many black panther references were in the Oscars yesterday? Chadwick being referred to as the king of Wakanda and Kimmel's opening monologue.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'll say this about Emma Stone's comment (and Natalie Portman's for that matter), and leave it be.

Whether they intended it this way or not, their comments do come across as a bit guilt-trippy towards the male nominees, and I would say that that is unfair to them. Yes, there is an issue of gender and race inequality in Hollywood. Yes, it is an issue worth addressing. However, I don't think calling it out at the expense of other people is necessarily the best course of action. They didn't ask to be nominated, and they were being recognized for their strong work (in Del Toro's case, the culmination of a career). Del Toro, Anderson, Nolan, and Peele all deserved to be there just as much as Gerwig, so for the Best Director group to be qualified all season long as "four men and Greta Gerwig" is a bit dismissive to say the least. Are they supposed to feel bad because they are male directors that got nominated? I get that the comments were meant to call out the industry in general, but to use that specific category as your platform, well, you can't help but implicate those men as well. I think Del Toro's reaction to Portman's remark at the Globes summed it up perfectly. It was an almost "What did I do?" kind of look.

I doubt it was Stone's or Portman's intentions to insult the male nominees, but speaking for myself, if I were in their shoes it probably would've rubbed me the wrong way.

Let someone get on stage one year and do the same thing except say something about "All white nominees"...

But I do agree and understand Portman and Stone's point. But idk why it rubs me the wrong way. But not majorly. And if it's that's the way they want to call out injustice then good for them

But it is what it is

Emma Stone: "These four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces this year."

Eh, felt like this was in poor taste. Asian brothas and sisters aint going to forget you played an asian character, Emma. lol

actually didn't Annihalation "whitewash" the book character who was Asian too

 

[Kane52630]

Which is funny considering Natalie Portman was in it...

 

[MadVillainy]

Which is funny considering Natalie Portman was in it...

That's what I'm saying though...

 

[Guts]

Although for Portman's case she has an excuse. The film's director only read the first book that Annilation is based on and apparently the race of Portman's character isn't revealed until the second book.

 

[jmc]

I'll say this about Emma Stone's comment (and Natalie Portman's for that matter), and leave it be.

Whether they intended it this way or not, their comments do come across as a bit guilt-trippy towards the male nominees, and I would say that that is unfair to them. Yes, there is an issue of gender and race inequality in Hollywood. Yes, it is an issue worth addressing. However, I don't think calling it out at the expense of other people is necessarily the best course of action. They didn't ask to be nominated, and they were being recognized for their strong work (in Del Toro's case, the culmination of a career). Del Toro, Anderson, Nolan, and Peele all deserved to be there just as much as Gerwig, so for the Best Director group to be qualified all season long as "four men and Greta Gerwig" is a bit dismissive to say the least. Are they supposed to feel bad because they are male directors that got nominated? I get that the comments were meant to call out the industry in general, but to use that specific category as your platform, well, you can't help but implicate those men as well. I think Del Toro's reaction to Portman's remark at the Globes summed it up perfectly. It was an almost "What did I do?" kind of look.

I doubt it was Stone's or Portman's intentions to insult the male nominees, but speaking for myself, if I were in their shoes it probably would've rubbed me the wrong way.

I got into an argument yesterday because of this. It's disrespectful to everyone including Greta Gerwing. The idea that ****ting on men helps bring equality is the single most illogical and brain dead idea people can think of. It's appalling to me that people feel it's perfectly ok to insult one group of people to support the cause of another group. You can't gain support for your cause if people feel like they are being insulted or talked down to. It was completely classless of Stone.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You seem more offended than the men it's directed at.