90th Annual Academy Awards - Part 2

[terry78]

We're in a weird place right now as far as the sexes go. Feels like we're back in the 70s.

 

[jmc]

You seem more offended than the men it's directed at.

I'm sick and tired of the mud being thrown around, of the fingers being pointed with people blaming each other, of putting people down to lift others up. I want proper ****ing dialoge where people actually open their ears up and actually ****ing listen to one and other, where facts and figures aren't made up, instead of people sitting in their own echo chambers preaching to their choirs.

 

[samsnee]

Emma Stone: "These four men and Greta Gerwig created their own masterpieces this year."

Eh, felt like this was in poor taste. Asian brothas and sisters aint going to forget you played an asian character, Emma. lol

That and Portman did it better. This time it just felt forced. If women wanted to be treated as equals, why single her out of the 4 men? Is she or is she not on the same level.

What if someone had said “These four white people and Jordan Peele”?

 

[Voltron]

I got into an argument yesterday because of this. It's disrespectful to everyone including Greta Gerwing. The idea that ****ting on men helps bring equality is the single most illogical and brain dead idea people can think of. It's appalling to me that people feel it's perfectly ok to insult one group of people to support the cause of another group. You can't gain support for your cause if people feel like they are being insulted or talked down to. It was completely classless of Stone.

I agree, you can't bolster a group of people up by insulting another innocent group of people. She also came across as sexist towards the men and didn't take into account that 2 were minorities and what she said came across as dismissive of the achievements of the other nominees.

I also disagree with what Portman/Hershlag said, this coming from the same person that supported Roman Polanski in a petition.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Pete Hammond from Deadline

http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscars-...y-oldman-eva-marie-saint-analysis-1202311545/

Speaking of Dunkirk, I caught up with a very happy Christopher Nolan at the Govs Ball and showed off my lunch box. His brilliant WWII epic took three Oscars, earning him many shout-outs from winners onstage. It was the second-best haul of the night after Shape’s four, even though there was disappointment that Hoyte van Hoytema’s cinematography wasn’t one of them. “So what’s gonna win next year?” Nolan asked me half-jokingly. He predicted Black Panther will be among the Best Picture nominees in 2019, which would make it the first comic-book movie to break that ceiling with the Academy. I reminded him that it was because of The Dark Knight’s exclusion that the Academy went to 10 (and now up to 10) nominees to get movies like that included, but to no avail so far. A top Disney exec told me flat out that they would be campaigning not only Black Panther for the big prize but also the upcoming Mary Poppins Returns (from director Rob Marshall), which he was raving about, particularly for star Emily Blunt. who he says knocks it out of the park in the role for which Julie Andrews already has an Oscar. Lin-Manuel Miranda co-stars. and he says there are a lot of great new songs in it as well.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Rather cynical, eh Nolan?

 

[terry78]

These guys pretend they don't care but that's the vibe they have to give off.

 

[MadVillainy]

Unless you're joking, it doesn't seem cynical to me

That and Portman did it better. This time it just felt forced. If women wanted to be treated as equals, why single her out of the 4 men? Is she or is she not on the same level.

What if someone had said “These four white people and Jordan Peele”?

That's what make me chuckle.

And also she didn't shout out Dee Rees, a lesbian black woman, who directed Mudbound one of the highest reviews of the year and was still snubbed. Netflix or not Dee Rees deserved to be on there too. But everyone ignores her.
Barely anyone calls out the fact that in 5 years we've only gotten 1 black actress nominated for Best Actress (Davis played games with that Fences nod tho), in over 10 years we haven't gotten a Latin American actress nominated for Best Actress, plus we've only had 1 Asian actress nominated for Best Actress ever, same with Spanish actresses. And then look at the Best director category. I don't think there has ever been an ethnic woman nominee (please correct me if I'm wrong). I see little to no one saying that at the ceremony.

I'm not saying Gerwig didn't deserve people shouting her out or bigging her up. But to me it just goes to the whole "feminism so white" concept, when they seem to be ignoring ethnic directors like Ava Duvernay (snubbed for Selma) or Dee Rees it seems to me like they don't care about women talents from other races.

But I probably pay attention to that more

 

[BatLobster]

Pete Hammond from Deadline

http://deadline.com/2018/03/oscars-...y-oldman-eva-marie-saint-analysis-1202311545/

Wait a sec, did Nolan just hype the new Mary Poppins? LOL

Edit: Nvm

 

[MadVillainy]

Wait a sec, did Nolan just hype the new Mary Poppins? LOL

If I'm reading right it was a Disney exec that did

 

[Prettyricky]

So what is the academy going to do now that this show is the lowest in history since ratings began recording? First step IMHO is nominating more movies like dunkirk and logan where they are like by most movie goers but also trancend the summer blockbuster stigma of big dumb spectacle. Thoughts?

 

[Boom]

Unless you're joking, it doesn't seem cynical to me



That's what make me chuckle.

And also she didn't shout out Dee Rees, a lesbian black woman, who directed Mudbound one of the highest reviews of the year and was still snubbed. Netflix or not Dee Rees deserved to be on there too. But everyone ignores her.
Barely anyone calls out the fact that in 5 years we've only gotten 1 black actress nominated for Best Actress (Davis played games with that Fences nod tho), in over 10 years we haven't gotten a Latin American actress nominated for Best Actress, plus we've only had 1 Asian actress nominated for Best Actress ever, same with Spanish actresses. And then look at the Best director category. I don't think there has ever been an ethnic woman nominee (please correct me if I'm wrong). I see little to no one saying that at the ceremony.

I'm not saying Gerwig didn't deserve people shouting her out or bigging her up. But to me it just goes to the whole "feminism so white" concept, when they seem to be ignoring ethnic directors like Ava Duvernay (snubbed for Selma) or Dee Rees it seems to me like they don't care about women talents from other races.

But I probably pay attention to that more

Right. It's an industry problem, and until we start seeing widespread changes at an industry level, we're not going to see many changes in how the Academy votes.

Academy members aren't going out of there way to seek out these films. The films have to be brought to them by the studios and producers. These studios and producers hold special Academy screenings, they hold luncheons, they put "For Your Consideration" ads all over the place. Case in point, the Academy only votes on those films that they are exposed to quite heavily. And when the majority of films being made today are still white-centric and are still driven predominantly by white male filmmakers, it's no wonder that the numbers are so skewed in their favor come awards time. So on one hand, you can fault the Academy members for not being as active in seeking out films on their own. On the other hand, you have to take into account the types of films that are being put in front of them.

Having said that, it honestly boggles my mind that Dee Rees and Mudbound got snubbed. I know for a fact Netflix campaigned the hell out of it. The only conclusion I can reach is that the Netflix bias is very real, because nothing else makes sense.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I seriously couldn't care less about the ratings. I will watch the show every year regardless of how crappy the ratings get.

I do think movies like Logan should be nominated. Not because I want them to get those sweet, sweet ratings, but because they deserve it. Logan was much better than say Darkest Hour. I would have kicked that out of the pool and instead of stopping at 9 films, I would have nominated 10.

Don't nominate films to drive ratings. Nominate them because they deserve it (and only when they deserve it).

 

[Boom]

Just put the Oscars on Netflix. Everybody around the world can watch it at the same time instead of having to deal with horrible streams. And without commercial breaks, they'd have plenty of time to work in their stupid, time-consuming skits and still clock in at under three hours.

 

[NotNickFury]

Just make Ricky Gervais the permanent host.

Heck, I'd watch at least.

 

[Boom]

Or get Daniel Tosh. See how many people he pisses off.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Netflix will never happen. They would lose advertiser money.

 

[DACrowe]

My late thoughts: no real surprises in the winners, but I liked most of the picks this year. The acting categories were really well selected, and seeing Frances, Sam, and Gary win made me smile. I am also happy for Guillermo but there were about five Best Picture nominees I liked better (as well as another four or five films from 2017 that weren't nominated for Best Picture). Shape of Water is good, but it felt more like a "safe" pick when compared to something like Three Billboards or Get Out, or even just how fresh Lady Bird feels, which is in its own way kind of comical since it is about a woman making love to a fish.

Also a shout out for Roger Deakins getting his Oscar!

But yeah, please no more Jimmy Kimmel or painful Disney synergetic time wasters next year.

 

[Prettyricky]

Just make Ricky Gervais the permanent host.

Heck, I'd watch at least.

The only time I watched the gold globes honestly. Roast city

 

[DACrowe]

I'll say this about Emma Stone's comment (and Natalie Portman's for that matter), and leave it be.

Whether they intended it this way or not, their comments do come across as a bit guilt-trippy towards the male nominees, and I would say that that is unfair to them. Yes, there is an issue of gender and race inequality in Hollywood. Yes, it is an issue worth addressing. However, I don't think calling it out at the expense of other people is necessarily the best course of action. They didn't ask to be nominated, and they were being recognized for their strong work (in Del Toro's case, the culmination of a career). Del Toro, Anderson, Nolan, and Peele all deserved to be there just as much as Gerwig, so for the Best Director group to be qualified all season long as "four men and Greta Gerwig" is a bit dismissive to say the least. Are they supposed to feel bad because they are male directors that got nominated? I get that the comments were meant to call out the industry in general, but to use that specific category as your platform, well, you can't help but implicate those men as well. I think Del Toro's reaction to Portman's remark at the Globes summed it up perfectly. It was an almost "What did I do?" kind of look.

I doubt it was Stone's or Portman's intentions to insult the male nominees, but speaking for myself, if I were in their shoes it probably would've rubbed me the wrong way.

To add my two cents to this "controversy." I think Natalie Portman was definitely trying to guilt and shame the Hollywood Foreign Press Association at the Globes for not nominating Greta or any women. And while I think it was a bit unfair to put Guillermo in that position, she at the very least had a point.

Emma's I think was just a joke. Yes she was kind of piggybacking off what Natalie did, but hers felt much more in good humor. But Twitter wouldn't be Twitter if they can't find a reason to be outraged at a liberal celebrity for not being on their team enough. And I write that as a liberal.

 

[BatLobster]

Having said that, it honestly boggles my mind that Dee Rees and Mudbound got snubbed. I know for a fact Netflix campaigned the hell out of it. The only conclusion I can reach is that the Netflix bias is very real, because nothing else makes sense.

It's definitely real. There was an article about it a while back. Most voting members of the Academy definitely do prefer the traditional theatrical model when it comes to movies. They still view it as the ultimate embodiment of what a movie and the experience of seeing a movie is supposed to be.

To be fair, I'm with them on that. I'm just more likely to be distracted or watch a movie in segments when I stream it from home, which means I'm less likely to even watch the straight to Netflix movies. Not saying it's good or bad, but it is what it is. There's definitely something to be said for going out, sitting in a darkened room and leaving the distractions of home behind while being immersed in something for 2 hours.

 

[Prettyricky]

I seriously couldn't care less about the ratings. I will watch the show every year regardless of how crappy the ratings get.

I do think movies like Logan should be nominated. Not because I want them to get those sweet, sweet ratings, but because they deserve it. Logan was much better than say Darkest Hour. I would have kicked that out of the pool and instead of stopping at 9 films, I would have nominated 10.

Don't nominate films to drive ratings. Nominate them because they deserve it (and only when they deserve it).

They could fix the ratings issue in one year, have 2 best picture categories, one like it is now and one for big blockbusters. Criteria for the blockbusters can be hammered out. Lets face it in 10 plus years only 2 movies that the normal movie goers and academy both liked were avatar and the lord of the rings. The rest have been %90 indie films that most dont get to see for a variety of reasons.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They could fix the ratings issue in one year, have 2 best picture categories, one like it is now and one for big blockbusters. Criteria for the blockbusters can be hammered out. Lets face it in 10 plus years only 2 movies that the normal movie goers and academy both liked were avatar and the lord of the rings. The rest have been %90 indie films that most dont get to see for a variety of reasons.

The Oscars have leaned this way, yes. But, I don't want such an award. Making a separate category is to call it a lesser art form. I already hate animation has its own category (I will fight anyone who says Wall E was not better than the majority of nominees that year) and this would further basically say a film like Logan cannot be considered real art.

I hate this idea.

 

[BatLobster]

The Oscars have leaned this way, yes. But, I don't want such an award. Making a separate category is to call it a lesser art form. I already hate animation has its own category (I will fight anyone who says Wall E was not better than the majority of nominees that year) and this would further basically say a film like Logan cannot be considered real art.

I hate this idea.

Agreed. It would be an insult.

 

[MadVillainy]

So what is the academy going to do now that this show is the lowest in history since ratings began recording? First step IMHO is nominating more movies like dunkirk and logan where they are like by most movie goers but also trancend the summer blockbuster stigma of big dumb spectacle. Thoughts?

BP will be nominated next year for this reason.

And before the MCU defense league comes out, I'm not saying it as a slight against BP as I really enjoyed it.

But yeah I think they will nominate BP as an attempt to get more viewers. It being such a gargantuan movie with a huge socio political statement, it'll get a nod. A nod that I don't think it really deserves imo

I do think movies like Logan should be nominated. Not because I want them to get those sweet, sweet ratings, but because they deserve it. Logan was much better than say Darkest Hour. I would have kicked that out of the pool and instead of stopping at 9 films, I would have nominated 10.

Don't nominate films to drive ratings. Nominate them because they deserve it (and only when they deserve it).

Agreed