BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 1

[WarriorDreamer]

You could view it as a side thing much like Avengers isn't strictly a direct sequel to Iron Man, Thor, or Cap films that came before it.

Yes but each hero had equal focus in that. I would prefer it if Superman get's main focus, not equal focus to Batman.

And if it was a side thing that would mean there is every chance they could be fighting a Batman villain, which again, I'd prefer not to happen.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Superman will get a film where Luthor or Zod are not the villains. But not this one, this is not a Superman film. It's a Superman/Batman film, where Superman is only one half of the main characters.

 

[Sharkboy]

I think officially this is Man of Steel 2, and that it will likely be a Pacino/Deniro Heat type thing with the film centering on them both rather than it be more Superman and less Batman.

It's not really that bad, Batman had to share his movie with a whole ensemble in TDK and that turned out perfectly fine.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I don't think this is Man of Steel 2. Rumour has it Cavill/Snyder's contracts are for MOS/WF/JL, which would make Justice League MOS3 with even less Superman screentime. I'm seeing it more as a DCU introduction series.

Maybe Cavill will sign another contract though.

 

[Sharkboy]

I don't think this is Man of Steel 2. Rumour has it Cavill/Snyder's contracts are for MOS/WF/JL, which would make Justice League MOS3 with even less Superman screentime. I'm seeing it more as a DCU introduction series.

Maybe Cavill will sign another contract though.

Well it's directed by Snyder it's written by Goyer, they've all pretty muched called it the sequel to Man of Steel, if that doesn't indicate that it's the official follow up to MoS then I don't know what else they'd have to do outside of calling it Man of Steel 2. I could definitely see them shooting a MoS 3 with just Cavill and a real member of his rogue's gallery while someone else does Justice League though, I could see them doing 4th and 5th films too, I just seriously doubt it's Man of Steel 2 after this next film.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

But do you think we'll get a legit MoS sequel?

 

[DvilDog]

But do you think we'll get a legit MoS sequel?

I think it will be based upon how well this movie does to be honest. If this movie does well then WB will have 2 viable heroes, so JL will probably be greenlit along with solo's for both characters. Just my 2 cents.

 

[samsnee]

Actually I see the opposite. They didnt think Supes did well enough on his own to warrant a straight sequel, which is why Batman is now in it.

 

[John-An]

Actually I see the opposite. They didnt think Supes did well enough on his own to warrant a straight sequel, which is why Batman is now in it.

No... for me they included batman for: 1 it was a great success, no need a billion and for a reboot it was one of the best... 2 they included batman to do different way that marvel did and introduce in 2 characters movies.. and 3. to face-off the avengers and star wars in 2015 including the movie everyone wants to see WF...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I hope that as a build up to JLA they use Superman as the connective tissue so to speak. BATMAN and SUPERMAN in this film, a TRINITY or SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN to follow then JLA using tv's FLASH (if it's any good) and a new GL with Supes, Batsy and Wondy. We'd get 4 films worth of Superman friends. Chalk it up as a win and have a coke and a smile. Trilogies are overrated anyway for superheroes. I don't think even TDKT was able to overcome the 3rd film wall.

 

[John-An]

I hope that as a build up to JLA they use Superman as the connective tissue so to speak. BATMAN and SUPERMAN in this film, a TRINITY or SUPERMAN and WONDER WOMAN to follow then JLA using tv's FLASH (if it's any good) and a new GL with Supes, Batsy and Wondy. We'd get 4 films worth of Superman friends. Chalk it up as a win and have a coke and a smile. Trilogies are overrated anyway for superheroes. I don't think even TDKT was able to overcome the 3rd film wall.

That's what most people want... including myself t:

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Enough with the trilogies. Superheroes are bigger than that!

 

[Loki882]

Enough with the trilogies. Superheroes are bigger than that!

While I agree that trilogies aren't always the way to go, there are valid reasons for them. One, filmmakers tend to like the classic beginning, middle, and ending type of story, which means three films. Second, the actors get older and either can't do it anymore or want to move on to other projects, the same is true for the director's and production staff. Third, there is a big risk of declining quality the longer that a franchise goes on. Look at all the third films in CB series that have either been disappointing compared to the first two, or just flat out bad. Five, six, or seven movies in, that could be even worse.

 

[Herolee10]

While I agree that trilogies aren't always the way to go, there are valid reasons for them. One, filmmakers tend to like the classic beginning, middle, and ending type of story, which means three films. Second, the actors get older and either can't do it anymore or want to move on to other projects, the same is true for the director's and production staff. Third, there is a big risk of declining quality the longer that a franchise goes on. Look at all the third films in CB series that have either been disappointing compared to the first two, or just flat out bad. Five, six, or seven movies in, that could be even worse.

That, and I'd rather have a good ending with the actor that the franchise started with, then recast the character for the same continuity and keep going on and on about it and if Justice League is a success, then I see Cavil appearing, at most, three superman films and three Justice League films, but anything other than that is pushing it.

And before some bring up the James Bond analogy, well the films with Daniel Craig are like the only ones in recent memory where it feels like the character has progressed story wise, but every other film, there was always a decline in quality in the latter films and I feel like the character never really grew and was always the same, and that's boring imho.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Actually I see the opposite. They didnt think Supes did well enough on his own to warrant a straight sequel, which is why Batman is now in it.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Herolee10]

Man of Steel is the second highest grossing reboot/origin film for a comic book film; so I don't see why Warner Bros. would be upset by that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Man of Steel is the second highest grossing reboot/origin film for a comic book film; so I don't see why Warner Bros. would be upset by that.

And there are still revenue streams to be counted. I get that some did not like the movie in the fanbase. Maybe even a majority. But let's not substitute our feelings for facts.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

Man of Steel is the second highest grossing reboot/origin film for a comic book film; so I don't see why Warner Bros. would be upset by that.

If anything, blame Jeff Robinov for making an outrageous claim before his exit like "MOS is going to be our biggest earner of all time." For a non-sequel, I don't know how anyone can see $290 million Domestically and $657 million globally as a failure. I'm no box office expert, but that's enough to warrant a sequel if you ask me.

 

[Mr. Dent]

They should have Amanda Waller, using the same actress that will be in Arrow, show up in a post-credit scene for this and talk to Luther about dealing with the superhero problem.

 

[Herolee10]

The fact of that matter is that with the success of the likes of "The Avengers" and their last two "Dark Knight" properties, they were just plain spoiled and naive to think that their next comic book film would reach that status when it was the first film in an intended franchise. I'm willing to bet that if Man of Steel came out before "The Avengers" did, then no one would be claiming that it was a financial failure.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They should have Amanda Waller, using the same actress that will be in Arrow, show up in a post-credit scene for this and talk to Luther about dealing with the superhero problem.

Way too much like the MCU set up for my tastes.

 

[Mr. Dent]

The MCU did it right. And the logistics and specifics surrounding it is inherently different. This isn't Nick Fury trying to orchestrate a superhero team. It's Amanda Waller trying to STOP the superhero team-up.

 

[Herolee10]

The MCU did it right. And the logistics and specifics surrounding it is inherently different. This isn't Nick Fury trying to orchestrate a superhero team. It's Amanda Waller trying to STOP the superhero team-up.

That and the fact that unlike the Avengers, the Justice League is supposed to be the group of heroes that come together on their own accord and not because they were scouted and recruited by the government at first to do so.

 

[Mr. Dent]

That said, the Avengers aren't like that in the comics either, unless you count the Ultimateverse.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I just think it would be better for a DCCU to not be seen aping anything, narrative wise, from the MCU. It feels reactive. I'd keep Cadmus/Waller or the like for a JL sequel or in a build up to a JL sequel. But that's just me.