BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - Part 101

[KRYPTON INC.]

Context fans... The only thing we have to go for this really is an interview from a local station that is hilarious for blurring the voice and face of this extra. An extra friends. Think about that.

 

[BatLobster]

Just to throw an idea out there, maybe Carrie Kelley would be a one-off in this universe too if they ended up killing her off in this movie.

I like the idea of her being Oracle too though. For all we know it could just be some minor role. Though for some reason I really can just picture Snyder doing Carrie Kelley Robin and making her really badass.

I feel like there's this automatic assumption Snyder is going to be 100% faithful to the proper continuity of the comics, but I'm not sure why. To me that goes right out the window in the first place when you have a Batman who's much older than Superman. So yeah, I would say having a one-off character from the most famous Batman GN of all time (also the director and star's favorite Batman GN of all time) is certainly on the table.

 

[The Shape]

It's not unlikely when the director has an erection for TDKR.

Visually and in terms of a Batman/Superman beat down, yes. No evidence of an erection for a literal adaptation that features any other key characters.

 

[Flint Marko]

I wouldn't worry. I really can't see what the point would be of having her as Robin in this particular film, anyway.

It just doesn't make any sense. Maybe, maybe Robin will have a cameo at the end of the film but even then that wouldn't sit well with me.

 

[Mindreaper21]

I say that mostly because nobody wants Carrie Robin. We want Richard, Tim, Jason, or even Damian. Carrie Robin has 1 story in her history. She's tied with Stephaine for the worst Robin.

Who are "we"? I sure as heck don't want any of them. I never really like the whole Robin character anyway. A female Robin would make for an interesting twist. Though if she's Oracle, I don't wan't to hear anything about Batgirl.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Do we have any more info on the Southwest shooting that's going on?

 

[BatLobster]

Who's to say who would fits this film and who doesn't when we know so little? I mean honestly, it's easier for me to imagine a scenario where any Robin fits into this story (supporting character for Batman, just like Alfred) than it is for Wonder Woman and Aquaman...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Do we have any more info on the Southwest shooting that's going on?

Nah they're just building that desert set.

We have dates and location shooting for Chicago aka Metropolis though.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Do we have any more info on the Southwest shooting that's going on?

Yes this convo is starting to bore me as well. It's a back and forth from people who know nothing.

 

[The Shape]

Just to throw an idea out there, maybe Carrie Kelley would be a one-off in this universe too if they ended up killing her off in this movie.

I like the idea of her being Oracle too though. For all we know it could just be some minor role. Though for some reason I really can just picture Snyder doing Carrie Kelley Robin and making her really badass.

I think people are a little too caught up in this mindset that Snyder is going to be 100% faithful to the proper comics continuity. To me that goes right out the window in the first place when you have a Batman who's much older than Superman.

Conversely, I think people are a little too caught up in this mindset that Snyder is obsessed with TDKR to the point where it's going to be his primary influence in terms of his vision for Batman and that he'll do everything in his power to get as close as he can to adapting it. That goes right out the window in the first place when you realize this is the first meeting of Batman and Superman, Wonder Woman has a role in the film, and this is going to launch a huge DC film universe that could never have been launched from a story that resembles TDKR.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Oh boy. Fox is looking at Hardy for Apocalypse.

Damn. I may want him in that.

 

[Flint Marko]

Who are "we"? I sure as heck don't want any of them. I never really like the whole Robin character anyway. A female Robin would make for an interesting twist. Though if she's Oracle, I don't wan't to hear anything about Batgirl.

Agreed, I don't want a Robin at all in any capacity. I doubt anyone really does, honestly.

 

[DC2739]

Conversely, I think people are a little too caught up in this mindset that Snyder is obsessed with TDKR to the point where it's going to be his primary influence in terms of his vision for Batman and that he'll do everything in his power to get as close as he can to adapting it. That goes right out the window in the first place when you realize this is the first meeting of Batman and Suoerman, Wonder Woman has a role in the film, and this is going to launch a huge DC film universe that could never have been launched from a story that resembles TDKR.

This. This. This. This. This. This.

 

[The Shape]

Agreed, I don't want a Robin at all in any capacity. I doubt anyone really does, honestly.

Yup. Plus, a Robin wouldn't really have a place in this film/plot -- at least, I can't imagine how a Robin would fit in with anything we know so far.

I really don't think it's anything to get our panties in a bunch about.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Agreed, I don't want a Robin at all in any capacity. I doubt anyone really does, honestly.

Yea, I'm not interested in Robins. I'd rather see what said Robins have become solo eg., Nightwing, Red-Hood or Red Robin.

 

[BatLobster]

Conversely, I think people are a little too caught up in this mindset that Snyder is obsessed with TDKR to the point where it's going to be his primary influence in terms of his vision for Batman and that he'll do everything in his power to get as close as he can to adapting it. That goes right out the window in the first place when you realize this is the first meeting of Batman and Suoerman, Wonder Woman has a role in the film, and this is going to launch a huge DC film universe that could never have been launched from a story that resembles TDKR.

I think it IS going to be of a major, if not primary influence for his Batman. Why wouldn't it be? It's not exactly a secret that it's something of a holy grail comic for him, as it is for a lot of people from his generation (Affleck included).

The problem is, a lot of Superman fans here think "TDKR" is code for Bat-porn that makes Superman look horrible. But anyone sensible knows that Snyder won't do that- as you said, it's a DCU movie and it's a Superman sequel too. That doesn't mean he can't take heavy influence from Miller in regards to how he depicts Batman though. And I'm sure that influence will be loud and clear with or without Carrie Kelley.

Yup. Plus, a Robin wouldn't really have a place in this film/plot -- at least, I can't imagine how a Robin would fit in with anything we know so far.

I really don't think it's anything to get our panties in a bunch about.

And that's just it- we know so very little. They've kept a LOT on lockdown.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

I doubt Synder is going use a lot of elements from TDKR as some element already been done in The dark knight rises so........beside a older Batman and a possible batman/superman fight what else is there?

 

[Flint Marko]

Yup. Plus, a Robin wouldn't really have a place in this film/plot -- at least, I can't imagine how a Robin would fit in with anything we know so far.

I really don't think it's anything to get our panties in a bunch about.

Agreed.
Say what you will about Snyder, I doubt he will do something as ridiculous and unnecessary as adding Robin. That would be so out-of-left-field, I doubt anyone would defend it.

 

[The Shape]

I think it IS going to be of a major, major influence for his Batman. Why wouldn't it be?

The problem is, people think "TDKR" is code for Bat-porn that makes Superman look horrible. But anyone sensible knows that Snyder won't do that- as you said, it's a DCU movie and it's a Superman sequel too. That doesn't mean he can't take heavy influence from Miller in regards to how he depicts Batman though. And I'm sure that influence will be loud and clear with or without Carrie Kelley.

Sometimes I wonder if people actually remember what TDKR is like it its entirety, or if some people have even actually read the thing.

Yes, it's been stated and it's clear that Snyder's Batman will be influenced by Miller's Batman visually, and in that it's an older, veteran Batman. However, he's not THAT old, clearly still active as Batman, and Miller's Batman in TDKR/TDKSA is so much more extreme and radical -- aka bat-**** crazy. There are many aspects of that version of Batman -- and the overall story -- that I absolutely KNOW won't be a part of Snyder's vision for Batman in this movie or the overall DCU. Batman age and appearance could resemble Miller's Batman, but his attitude, characterization, and capabilities could be influenced by Jim Lee's Batman. We just don't know, but it's not like this Batman can ONLY be like this one version of Batman that was featured in a one-shot, Elseworlds tale.

I just find it strange that other people can't realize that.

 

[The Shape]

I doubt Synder is going use a lot of elements from TDKR as some element already been done in The dark knight rises so........beside a older Batman and a possible batman/superman fight what else is there?

Exactly. Seems to be a visual influence in some respects, more than anything else.

 

[DeadPresident]

TDKR Batman and general characterization also isn't conducive to a teaming up dynamic, which is quite obviously what BvS is leading up to.

 

[BatLobster]

Sometimes I wonder if people actually remember what TDKR is like it its entirety, or if some people have even actually read the thing.

Yes, it's been stated and it's clear that Snyder's Batman will be influenced by Miller's Batman visually, and in that it's an older, veteran Batman. However, he's not THAT old, clearly still active as Batman, and Miller's Batman in TDKR/TDKSA is so much more extreme and radical -- aka bat-**** crazy. There are many aspects of that version of Batman -- and the overall story -- that I absolutely KNOW won't be a part of Snyder's vision for Batman in this movie or the overall DCU. Batman age and appearance could resemble Miller's Batman, but his attitude, characterization, and capabilities could be influenced by Jim Lee's Batman. We just don't know, but it's not like this Batman can ONLY be like this one version of Batman that was featured in a one-shot, Elseworlds tale.


I just find it strange that other people can't realize that.

I'm a fan of Dark Knight Returns, so yeah I do agree that certain aspects get blown out of proportion by some people. Of course Snyder's Batman will have things in common with other versions of Batman...it's Batman. There are certain commonalities that are always going to be there. But I do personally think it's more than visual and that Snyder is going to be channeling some of that DKR spirit with his Batman. I thought it was interesting that Chuck Roven described this Batman as "very, very rough". And yes, he also described this Bruce Wayne as a very social animal (ala BTAS), so there you go- I'm acknowledging that it's not going to be 100% DKR.

TDKR Batman and general characterization also isn't conducive to a teaming up dynamic, which is quite obviously what BvS is leading up to.

It seems entirely feasible to me that it'll be part of Batman's arc in this film could be starting off as more extreme/cynical and ending up somewhere a little more balanced by the end, as a result of Superman's impact on him. I mean, to me that's the beauty of what you can do with movie adaptations when you're mixing up different pieces of source material. Things can be more fluid. Characters can grow and change. I'm sure Batman is going to have to go through some sort of arc in this movie before he's going to be capable of being a part of a team with superpowered beings.

I could be completely wrong and I'd happily admit that. But it just makes some level of sense to go with a slightly more extreme Batman to help play up the contrast between Bats and Supes in this movie. I mean, if there's any movie to do that in, it's this one.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Besides...it seems entirely feasible to me that it'll be part of Batman's arc in this film could be starting off as more extreme/cynical and ending up somewhere a little more balanced by the end, as a result of Superman's impact on him.

Yeah. She could be the "voice" of all the previous Robins that he's gone too far and may need to work with the JL if he actually wants to do something in the world of superpowers.

I would make sense that he's gone through 3 Robins already.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah. She could be the "voice" of all the previous Robins that he's gone too far and may need to work with the JL if he actually wants to do something in the world of superpowers.

I would make sense that he's gone through 3 Robins already.

I could totally see that.

 

[Bathead]

Barbara Gordon or Carrie Kelly, doesn't matter to me. I'd rather her play Carrie because I really want to see the Batsuit.


If the Batfamily was Bruce, Dick, Carrie and Barbara/Oracle, that'd really be awesome.

Has anyone considered the possibility she might be neither? That's as likely as anything.