BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 2

[michael1975]

So there is possibility that Wonder Woman will appear in Batman vs Superman (which is a horrible name for movie by the way.). So at this point we got screwed and where not going to see a Superman Sequel.

WB/DC wants to do what Marvel Studios did with out putting in the time to do it. They are rushing to make Justice League and it's going to cost them.

It's really sad because I will have to wait another several years to decade to see a good Superman movie again.


http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/28839/is-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman

 

[roach]

I know it's not related but i think it's not a coincidence.

its a coincidence

 

[roach]

So there is possibility that Wonder Woman will appear in Batman vs Superman (which is a horrible name for movie by the way.). So at this point we got screwed and where not going to see a Superman Sequel.

WB/DC wants to do what Marvel Studios did with out putting in the time to do it. They are rushing to make Justice League and it's going to cost them.

It's really sad because I will have to wait another several years to decade to see a good Superman movie again.


http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/28839/is-wonder-woman-in-batman-vs-superman

relax..we don't know if we aren't getting superman sequels yet.

 

[CharlieS]

MAYBE they're trying to gauge fan reaction to the script to see if they should use any elements of it in the eventual JL movie

It's exactly my thoughts on this.

 

[roach]

It's not. Studios won't use anything from a failed production to test audiences.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

So there is possibility that Wonder Woman will appear in Batman vs Superman (which is a horrible name for movie by the way.). So at this point we got screwed and where not going to see a Superman Sequel.

this was never a man of steel sequel.

WB/DC wants to do what Marvel Studios did with out putting in the time to do it. They are rushing to make Justice League and it's going to cost them.

if they were trying to do what marvel did without putting in the time that marvel did, we'd have a **** load of films in the pipeline.
they don't have to do what marvel did. only people who are under the assumption that that is the only it'll work think that.

iron man 3 was a meh movie and it's made more money then any non avengers movie to date. thor is surely to make a lot of money as well. I'd like a flash and a wonder woman movie, but i could understand if dc is waiting after justice league to secure success for those characters as tentpoles in the near future.

 

[roach]

There is more than one way to do things. Marvel has it's way and DC has it's way.

 

[Sub-Zero]

speaking of overreacting...didn't the justice league mortal script leak today?

 

[roach]

speaking of overreacting...didn't the justice league mortal script leak today?

Yeah I read it...its not a bad read and it felt like it could have been a DCU animated Movie...there is no watering down of powers and abilities. I liked it.

 

[CharlieS]

El Mayimbe said they are not looking for Wonder Woman they're looking for another girl. i would like to see John Stewart as a Green Lantern. Maybe Al Jordan could be in mission in other galaxies and John Stewart could be the Guardian of the earth.

 

[CharlieS]

And yes i think WB should develop their own method for the DCU.

 

[The Shape]

Gotta say, I'm a little shocked at the negative reaction this Batman/Superman movie has gotten from straight-up Superman fans. Lots of complaining that this "isn't a Superman sequel", and Debbie-Downer Hypester "michael1975" believes he'll have to "wait several years to a decade to see a good Superman film again".

Uhh, you guys know this is still a Superman movie that we're talking about here? You know that Superman is one of the two main characters, and that several characters from MOS are confirmed to be in the film as well (including Perry White which indicates it may be set in Metropolis)? You know that, chronologically, this film will take place after the events of MOS and may be directly related to what occurred? You know there's a possibility that Superman will be the focal character/protagonist for much of the film and that Batman may be the mysterious visitor/outsider? So...in theory, this is still very much a sequel to MOS, just with a different edge thanks to the addition of Batman.

With 6 solo on-screen appearances for Superman and 7 for Batman (not counting Adam West's movie), is it not time for something different? Something as monumental as what's happening here? Okay, maybe you love Superman more than any other hero and you only want to see solo Superman stories, but...does it not excite you that you'll be seeing your favorite iconic hero sharing the screen with another iconic hero? I mean, if you thought it was cool seeing Captain America and Iron Man fighting side by side, just imagine what it's going to be like seeing these two heavyweights -- the ORIGINAL superheroes -- in battle together...or even standing next to each other.

Furthermore, if you're worried you might not see a good Superman movie again for another decade, you need to realize that this Batman/Superman film...could also be good. In fact, it could (and likely will) wind up being quite amazing. Therefore, you might be seeing another good Superman movie in 2015 when this one drops.

Some people just need to lighten up and enjoy the ride. This is history in the making. It's going to literally be the Superbowl of superhero movies...except, instead of one group of fans getting pissed when their football teams loses, WE ALL WIN. It's ****ing Batman and Superman, people.

 

[CharlieS]

Some people don't want see Batman with other superheroes too.

 

[CharlieS]

Gotta say, I'm a little shocked at the negative reaction this Batman/Superman movie has gotten from straight-up Superman fans. Lots of complaining that this "isn't a Superman sequel", and Debbie-Downer Hypester "michael1975" believes he'll have to "wait several years to a decade to see a good Superman film again".

Uhh, you guys know this is still a Superman movie that we're talking about here? You know that Superman is one of the two main characters, and that several characters from MOS are confirmed to be in the film as well (including Perry White which indicates it may be set in Metropolis)? You know that, chronologically, this film will take place after the events of MOS and may be directly related to what occurred? You know there's a possibility that Superman will be the focal character/protagonist for much of the film and that Batman may be the mysterious visitor/outsider? So...in theory, this is still very much a sequel to MOS, just with a different edge thanks to the addition of Batman.

With 6 solo on-screen appearances for Superman and 7 for Batman (not counting Adam West's movie), is it not time for something different? Something as monumental as what's happening here? Okay, maybe you love Superman more than any other hero and you only want to see solo Superman stories, but...does it not excite you that you'll be seeing your favorite iconic hero sharing the screen with another iconic hero? I mean, if you thought it was cool seeing Captain America and Iron Man fighting side by side, just imagine what it's going to be like seeing these two heavyweights -- the ORIGINAL superheroes -- in battle together...or even standing next to each other.

Furthermore, if you're worried you might not see a good Superman movie again for another decade, you need to realize that this Batman/Superman film...could also be good. In fact, it could (and likely will) wind up being quite amazing. Therefore, you might be seeing another good Superman movie in 2015 when this one drops.

Some people just need to lighten up and enjoy the ride. This is history in the making. It's going to literally be the Superbowl of superhero movies...except, instead of one group of fans getting pissed when their football teams loses, WE ALL WIN. It's ****ing Batman and Superman, people.

I agree completely but some people are too close-minded. They only want to see Batman's solo films or Superman's solo films. They don't want see a Superman/Batman film and they don't want see a JL movie, personally i got enough of the solo movies. WB should put aside the Batman radical and the Superman radical imo.

 

[Herolee10]

Gotta say, I'm a little shocked at the negative reaction this Batman/Superman movie has gotten from straight-up Superman fans. Lots of complaining that this "isn't a Superman sequel", and Debbie-Downer Hypester "michael1975" believes he'll have to "wait several years to a decade to see a good Superman film again".

Uhh, you guys know this is still a Superman movie that we're talking about here? You know that Superman is one of the two main characters, and that several characters from MOS are confirmed to be in the film as well (including Perry White which indicates it may be set in Metropolis)? You know that, chronologically, this film will take place after the events of MOS and may be directly related to what occurred? You know there's a possibility that Superman will be the focal character/protagonist for much of the film and that Batman may be the mysterious visitor/outsider? So...in theory, this is still very much a sequel to MOS, just with a different edge thanks to the addition of Batman.

With 6 solo on-screen appearances for Superman and 7 for Batman (not counting Adam West's movie), is it not time for something different? Something as monumental as what's happening here? Okay, maybe you love Superman more than any other hero and you only want to see solo Superman stories, but...does it not excite you that you'll be seeing your favorite iconic hero sharing the screen with another iconic hero? I mean, if you thought it was cool seeing Captain America and Iron Man fighting side by side, just imagine what it's going to be like seeing these two heavyweights -- the ORIGINAL superheroes -- in battle together...or even standing next to each other.

Furthermore, if you're worried you might not see a good Superman movie again for another decade, you need to realize that this Batman/Superman film...could also be good. In fact, it could (and likely will) wind up being quite amazing. Therefore, you might be seeing another good Superman movie in 2015 when this one drops.

Some people just need to lighten up and enjoy the ride. This is history in the making. It's going to literally be the Superbowl of superhero movies...except, instead of one group of fans getting pissed when their football teams loses, WE ALL WIN. It's ****ing Batman and Superman, people.

Well I don't speak for anyone else other than myself here, but I think one of the concerns that I've had with the addition of Batman into the story were things like:

1. Superman does not really have a good history of being portrayed well whenever sharing the same screen with Batman. As far as I remember, every time that they've been together in the same film (via animated ones), Batman was always portrayed as the righteous hero that wasn't corruptible, whereas Superman was the one that would always lose in the end and that it'd be up to Batman to save him from himself.

2. With the addition of Batman, there's the fear that not enough time will be place for characters that people want to see fleshed out more, let alone certain relationships (Clark and Lois) due to time needing to be devoted to a major character like Batman.


Though I do agree that this film, is by its very nature, a direct sequel to "MOS" since there are no other films except MOS that preceded it.

It's not the case with the Avengers where you had 5 films going into it, with everyone's back stories being carried over into it.

This film with Superman and Batman is likely to be more influenced by the events of MOS.

 

[The Shape]

Well I don't speak for anyone else other than myself here, but I think one of the concerns that I've had with the addition of Batman into the story were things like:

1. Superman does not really have a good history of being portrayed well whenever sharing the same screen with Batman. As far as I remember, every time that they've been together in the same film (via animated ones), Batman was always portrayed as the righteous hero that wasn't corruptible, whereas Superman was the one that would always lose in the end and that it'd be up to Batman to save him from himself.

Yes, I know. I failed to mention the biggest concern of Superman fans -- that Superman will be "shown up" by Batman and his spotlight will be stolen. Fear not. Have some faith in your hero. Did you feel that any of the key members of the Avengers (Thor, Cap, IM, Hulk) were shafted in their portrayal during their massive team up film? Were any one of them portrayed to be lesser than another when all was said and done? I don't think so, but correct me if you think I'm wrong there.

If 4 characters can get a fair shake in one film, it's entirely possible that both characters will be given justice in this Batman/Superman film. With only two heavyweights to focus on, hopefully Snyder & Goyer will be able to strike a solid balance between the two -- the kind of balance that has existed between the two for decades. Despite opposing ideologies, they learn from one another and find a way to co-exist. It wouldn't be smart for the filmmakers to use this film to have Batman make chump meat out of Superman, or vice versa...and I think Snyder/Goyer know that. They're both impressive on their own, but it's the combination of the two that makes them such a formidable team. This is a relationship that DESERVES to be explored on film and neither fans of Batman or Superman should be "worried" about who's going to be more badass.

Curious, you say EVERY animated adaptation has Batman besting Superman in one way or another? That's including their animated crossover series and JL/JLA? I find that hard to believe.

2. With the addition of Batman, there's the fear that not enough time will be place for characters that people want to see fleshed out more, let alone certain relationships (Clark and Lois) due to time needing to be devoted to a major character like Batman.

That should be the least of anyone's concerns, IMO. You have to look at this from a long-term perspective. This film is not the "last chance" for Superman and his co-stars. If WB is planning to build a DC film universe, then that's exactly what we'll be getting -- a universe that continues on, expands, and features recurring characters and suplots. We can expect to be seeing more of these characters for years to come...and I have little doubt we see another Superman solo film down the line (most likely after JL) before Cavill hangs up his cape for good. This is a marathon, not a race.

As a Superman fan myself, I feel that lessening the focus on Clark and Lois isn't the worst thing in the world, anyway. What do you want to see between them that the introduction of Batman will take away from? Thankfully, Lois already knows that Superman is Clark Kent. There's no need to spend an entire movie doing the dance of "Ohhh will she find out his identity?" In fact, introducing Bruce/Batman into the mix is a great way to shake things up for Clark/Lois and test the boundaries of their relationship.

Who knows what kind of the story they'll come up with? There's no point in worrying or being concerned until we actually have a right to be. You know, once we actually find out a tiny shred of info about the project...

 

[Herolee10]

Yes, I know. I failed to mention the biggest concern of Superman fans -- that Superman will be "shown up" by Batman and his spotlight will be stolen. Fear not. Have some faith in your hero. Did you feel that any of the key members of the Avengers (Thor, Cap, IM, Hulk) were shafted in their portrayal during their massive team up film? Were any one of them portrayed to be lesser than another when all was said and done? I don't think so, but correct me if you think I'm wrong there.

If 4 characters can get a fair shake in one film, it's entirely possible that both characters will be given justice in this Batman/Superman film. With only two heavyweights to focus on, hopefully Snyder & Goyer will be able to strike a solid balance between the two -- the kind of balance that has existed between the two for decades. Despite opposing ideologies, they learn from one another and find a way to co-exist. It wouldn't be smart for the filmmakers to use this film to have Batman make chump meat out of Superman, or vice versa...and I think Snyder/Goyer know that. They're both impressive on their own, but it's the combination of the two that makes them such a formidable team. This is a relationship that DESERVES to be explored on film and neither fans of Batman or Superman should be "worried" about who's going to be more badass.

Curious, you say EVERY animated adaptation has Batman besting Superman in one way or another? That's including their animated crossover series and JL/JLA? I find that hard to believe.

1. Well truth be told, I thought Thor and Hawkeye got the short end of the stick when it came to development within "The Avengers". Hawkeye was possessed for most of the film and we weren't really given any substantial info regarding his background. And even though the main villain was Loki, Thor wasn't really shown doing a whole lot (on-screen) for the Battle of New York and he didn't have as much to do in terms of development and characters interactions like Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk, and Black Widow had.

2. The thing with Snyder, and especially Goyer, is that I'm wondering if they'll be able to approach this film without their love of Batman clouding their judgment when it comes to how they write down Superman. It's no secret especially that Goyer prefers writing for Batman as well and he's even said that he thinks Batman is more innately cool.

3. Regarding their animated appearances, while Superman has saved Batman in the Justice League cartoons, Batman has been portrayed as "THE HERO" of the show, where he's shown as the one incorruptible force that can't be swayed, which can't be said for how Superman was shown. If I had a nickel for every time that they praised Batman's character to the point where it was obvious on who the DCU creators preferred, I'd be pretty rich about now. Also, they would dumb down Superman so many times, just so that Batman could save the day using nothing but his will and wit.

That should be the least of anyone's concerns, IMO. You have to look at this from a long-term perspective. This film is not the "last chance" for Superman and his co-stars. If WB is planning to build a DC film universe, then that's exactly what we'll be getting -- a universe that continues on, expands, and features recurring characters and suplots. We can expect to be seeing more of these characters for years to come...and I have little doubt we see another Superman solo film down the line (most likely after JL) before Cavill hangs up his cape for good. This is a marathon, not a race.

As a Superman fan myself, I feel that lessening the focus on Clark and Lois isn't the worst thing in the world, anyway. What do you want to see between them that the introduction of Batman will take away from? Thankfully, Lois already knows that Superman is Clark Kent. There's no need to spend an entire movie doing the dance of "Ohhh will she find out his identity?" In fact, introducing Bruce/Batman into the mix is a great way to shake things up for Clark/Lois and test the boundaries of their relationship.

Who knows what kind of the story they'll come up with? There's no point in worrying or being concerned until we actually have a right to be. You know, once we actually find out a tiny shred of info about the project...

Well like I've been infamously known for saying several times, I really hope that they avoid going down a petty love triangle route between the two caped heroes and Lois as a means of creating more friction between them.

I mean I think that there a lot of ways to raise issues between the two heroes without going down a "twilight" like route for this. Plus, considering that audiences haven't had the privilege of actually seeing a healthy and happy portrayal of the Lois and Clark/Superman relationship fully realized on film as of yet, I think this is a good time to start.

This is actually why I'm personally rooting that this new female lead that we've been hearing about is a love interest for Batman, so that it ensures that they don't go down this route.

 

[marvelrobbins]

People need to accept this Is a batman & Superman film. Not man of steel
sequel guest starring batman. But it's not a Batman reboot guest starring Superman.

It will followup Man of steel like avengers followed up the Marvel studios solo
films.

There Is going to be at least a few scenes In gotham but in all likelyhood a majority of film will be set In metropolas. Rumor has it the conflict between batman and superman will come about as fallout from man of steel's ending+
ploting of Lex Luthor.

This film will Introduce almost certinly Superman's freatest enemy.Lois Is likely to
have a decent size role.Perry and martha are in film but their roles could be smaller than In Man of steel.

We know there will be love intrest for Bruce Wayne.Alfred will probally be In
film.There may be appearance by Gordon.Plus there may be appearance by
a batman villain.Maybe batman will be introduced taking down this villain.

WB desperetly wants to get to Justice league.Superman and batman meeting Is nice leadin to it.

Any Inspiration they could take from DCAU would only be a good thing.

A compession to avengers Is what If Iron Man and Captain America met before the formating of avengers. I see batman as Iron man of Justice league and Superman as captain America

 

[Herolee10]

People need to accept this Is a batman & Superman film. Not man of steel
sequel guest starring batman. But it's not a Batman reboot guest starring Superman.

It will followup Man of steel like avengers followed up the Marvel studios solo
films.

There Is going to be at least a few scenes In gotham but in all likelyhood a majority of film will be set In metropolas. Rumor has it the conflict between batman and superman will come about as fallout from man of steel's ending+
ploting of Lex Luthor.

This film will Introduce almost certinly Superman's freatest enemy.Lois Is likely to
have a decent size role.Perry and martha are in film but their roles could be smaller than In Man of steel.

We know there will be love intrest for Bruce Wayne.Alfred will probally be In
film.There may be appearance by Gordon.Plus there may be appearance by
a batman villain.Maybe batman will be introduced taking down this villain.

WB desperetly wants to get to Justice league.Superman and batman meeting Is nice leadin to it.

Any Inspiration they could take from DCAU would only be a good thing.

A compession to avengers Is what If Iron Man and Captain America met before the formating of avengers. I see batman as Iron man of Justice league and Superman as captain America

But the thing here that separates this film from the likes of "The Avengers" is that the ONLY film that this film has to go off by is "Man of Steel".

"The Avengers" had five other films with events leading into "The Avengers", thus it being a whole new entity of its own, so you really couldn't call it a direct sequel to any of the previous solo films since almost every solo film had events that took place within it that helped shaped things for "The Avengers".

That's not really the case here. Now, while I'm not sure on how much time Batman will get, whether it'll be something of an equal balance like how Iron Man/Captain America got in "TA" or even Professor X and Magneto from Origins, this film with Batman and Superman is still pretty much a direct sequel to "Man of Steel" since there are no other DCU films that came before it.

 

[Crimson King]

I'm not sure how you make Perry's role smaller.

 

[marvelrobbins]

But the thing here that separates this film from the likes of "The Avengers" is that the ONLY film that this film has to go off by is "Man of Steel".

"The Avengers" had five other films with events leading into "The Avengers", thus it being a whole new entity of its own, so you really couldn't call it a direct sequel to any of the previous solo films since almost every solo film had events that took place within it that helped shaped things for "The Avengers".

That's not really the case here. Now, while I'm not sure on how much time Batman will get, whether it'll be something of an equal balance like how Iron Man/Captain America got in "TA" or even Professor X and Magneto from Origins, this film with Batman and Superman is still pretty much a direct sequel to "Man of Steel" since there are no other DCU films that came before it.

Batman Is going to on equal footing with Superman.You don't have a film called batman VS Superman or Superman VS batman and not do stuff with Batman. They obviously want an Event picture here. Batman VS SUperman does that.

 

[HighFivingMF]

People need to accept this Is a batman & Superman film. Not man of steel
sequel guest starring batman. But it's not a Batman reboot guest starring Superman.

It's all three of those.

 

[roach]

It's all three of those.

it's like chocolate and peanut butter in a cup

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Latest Mayimbe rumor pertaining to a female role:

Well, it’s down to not one one, or three, BUT FOUR TOP CONTENDERS for the mysterious female role.
Do I have names? Not yet. But as as soon as I do, I will update the story.
Do I think it’s Wonder Woman?
No. I put in some calls and the professionals I know that work in talent don’t think so either. They think it’s a love interest for Bruce Wayne. Could both them and I be wrong? Sure, anything is possible.

And according to a source from Radar Online, Ben supposedly wants Larry David to have a role in this movie.

“The pair chatted about the idea with earnest abandon throughout the course of Emmy weekend. Larry has long been courted by the big budget superhero industrial complex, being linked to roles in the Sam Raimi Spider-Man sequels nearly a decade ago. But Ben is somebody he trusts and enjoys spending time with and this could be the right situation for Larry to finally appear in a huge-grossing hit film. Fun speculation that it could be for the famed Superman enemy role of Mister Mxyzptlk could make this piece more exciting, since Larry is a dead ringer for the character. Ben and his personality are taking over this whole production — he could come out of this with a producer credit."​

​

 

[Dk1201]

interesting I bet the love interest will be cast this month

who do you hope/think the four contenders are?