BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - Part 46

[SofNascimento]

Yeah, it's depend on the character. I'd rather have her pull a Falcon in a way.

I had similar thoughts.

 

[Lencho01]

I wonder who was working on it. Goyer specifically noted it was in development by a team, so I assume at least a writer/director was hired. Couldn't have been Singer as I think he long moved on.

I'm curious what we would have gotten instead.

I imagine at that point WB had taken meetings with various writers and their pitches, picked one, and probably were prepared to see directors about it. Then, they dropped those plans once Nolan called them up about Goyer's idea because they want to be in the business of Nolan.

I do wonder about the other directors that had been brought up with Snyder after Nolan and Goyer got involved. Like, who turned it down, why, and whatnot.

 

[Jekecy]

I imagine at that point WB had taken meetings with various writers and their pitches, picked one, and probably were prepared to see directors about it. Then, they dropped those plans once Nolan called them up about Goyer's idea because they want to be in the business of Nolan.

I do wonder about the other directors that had been brought up with Snyder after Nolan and Goyer got involved. Like, who turned it down, why, and whatnot.

Supposedly Darren was Nolan's first choice but that fell through when he couldn't commit to the schedule. Aronofsky just spoke about it a little while ago.

 

[chamber-music]

Yeah, he's definitely in a better place post MoS. From the crappy late sequels to the original films, to the mixed bag of Superman Returns, at least now there is good potential again for the character.

Agreed

I know people complain about seeing Superman's origin again in MoS but it was a good stepping stone in reintroducing the character to the 21st century.

I think if you go around chasing what you think is cool your going to fail. Things go in and out of fashion.

You make the best movie you can and it should hold be able to hold and find a audience.

 

[Lencho01]

Supposedly Darren was Nolan's first choice but that fell through when he couldn't commit to the schedule. Aronofsky just spoke about it a little while ago.

Something's up with your link.

I like him, but his ideas for his Batman: Year One film were weird. Though, I do wonder what his Wolverine film would've been like. I'm not sure how MOS would've been, but I have a feeling it's would've been different from what we got.

 

[Marvin]

Supes isn't 'top of the heap' after MOS, probably never will be with so many other heroes out there in movies now. But the franchise is a legitimate player again...spawning sequels and so on, which is more than what could be said about it 7 or so years back. S at least it's 'made the roster', which should be plenty to be happy about.

0) Measuring how high it is in terms of media awareness and gross vs that of it's peers and the majority of it's peers sequels would argue for it's potential at the very least. The opening records it took alone, I mean it wasn't 95 million but it was something...

1) None of these films do their best coming off of a bad overly rejected film. Reboots in particular. With all the (almost deliberately) skewed perspectives on MOS, simply comparing it to other starters would go along way. Batman Begins for example.

2) The spiderman situation in particular: He came out maybe stronger than any of these things back in 2002. But his reboot came out half as strong, domestically. The major difference being you only get to truly debut once. After that, you have to bank on your audience being curious about the re-imaging. Something both ASM2 and BvS have going for them.
If they rebooted Pirates right now, it would be the same deal.

3) People put too much faith in the detractors on the internet and negative critics say. The TF franchise is one of the strongest ever and it has twice of this crap than MOS. The DvD's are selling the way they are for a reason.

 

[chamber-music]

If Darren Aronofsky made his Batman Year One it would of broke the internet. Batfleck would of been nothing compared to the type of meltdown we would of seen with a homeless poor Bruce Wayne raised by a black mechanic Alfred called big Al and a mostly original cast not from the comics.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Aronofsky is a great director, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for any comic book movie.

with the whole year one thing, it really seems like he wants to put his own spin on things, something that fans are usually very against.

 

[Eggyman]

Aronofsky is a great director, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for any comic book movie.

with the whole year one thing, it really seems like he wants to put his own spin on things, something that fans are usually very against.

Wouldn't mind him having a crack at Aquaman.

 

[Crimson King]

Aronofsky is a great director, but I just don't think he'd be a good fit for any comic book movie.

with the whole year one thing, it really seems like he wants to put his own spin on things, something that fans are usually very against.

I was really disappointed that he didn't stick it out with Wolverine. I liked his plans for that one.

 

[MrsKent26]

1) None of these films do their best coming off of a bad overly rejected film. Reboots in particular. With all the (almost deliberately) skewed perspectives on MOS, simply comparing it to other starters would go along way. Batman Begins for example.

3) People put too much faith in the detractors on the internet and negative critics say. The TF franchise is one of the strongest ever and it has twice of this crap than MOS. The DvD's are selling the way they are for a reason.

Thank you for these points in particular. Amidst all the complaining, someone gets it. When compared to Avengers, mos did poorly. When compared to other single-hero franchise starters (where it should be placed), it did well.

 

[InJustice]

Stephen Amell said they needed Nolan's permission for some developments on Arrow.

Do you seriously buy that for a second? It sounds like Amell is name-dropping for hype more than anything. I highly doubt Nolan was even part of discussions over Arrow, it sounds too random.

 

[chamber-music]

Wouldn't mind him having a crack at Aquaman.

Only if he casts Ray Winstone as Aquaman. "Oi Ocean Master you slag!" t:

 

[Space Ghost]

Do you seriously buy that for a second? It sounds like Amell is name-dropping for hype more than anything. I highly doubt Nolan was even part of discussions over Arrow, it sounds too random.

Yeah. We should believe in you instead.

 

[bluerayer]

If Darren Aronofsky made his Batman Year One it would of broke the internet. Batfleck would of been nothing compared to the type of meltdown we would of seen with a homeless poor Bruce Wayne raised by a black mechanic Alfred called big Al and a mostly original cast not from the comics.

Wasn't that the version where Gordon have a beer and cheats on his wife?

 

[Eggyman]

Only if he casts Ray Winstone as Aquaman. "Oi Ocean Master you slag!" t:

Lol.

Dis owshon's mine, sunshine.

 

[bluerayer]

Wouldn't mind him having a crack at Aquaman.

Aquaman should be a James Cameron flick.

 

[InJustice]

Yeah. We should believe in you instead.

Yeah, because people don't lie about Nolan being involved.

Also, nowhere did I say you HAVE to believe me. Way to completely grasp at straws. I said that it's questionable and unreliable at best.

 

[Eggyman]

Aquaman should be a James Cameron flick.

But he's booked solid till he's ten years dead.

 

[bluerayer]

But he's booked solid till he's ten years dead.

Yeah, i know...One can dream though!

 

[chamber-music]

Darren Aronofsky and Frank Miller Year One was pretty much Taxi Driver meets Death Wish so no wonder it didn't get made.

It was more like Miller's Daredevil than Batman. Aronofsky and Miller should of pitched a Daredevil movie over at Fox back when they had the rights as they might of gone for it.

 

[Marvin]

It sounds as if you're trying to defend MOS or something, who says it did badly?

no one...

Just being Superman isn't enough, but as stated earlier, he's at least back in the game. I think SR was a healthy wake-up call. But really, does it really matter how 'high' he ranks as long as he's at least around?

You're right, despite popular belief, just being superman isn't enough and the last film drove that point home. However the point was we won't have a solid measure on the brands modern staying power till the next one imo. I said the same about batman.

The difference between being around and being on top is a personal thing I assume. However the Spidey and Ironman fans could probably explain the impact it has on their comings and goings over the years.

 

[fake]

no one...

You're right, despite popular belief, just being superman isn't enough and the last film drove that point home. However the point was we won't have a solid measure on the brands modern staying power till the next one imo. I said the same about batman.

The difference between being around and being on top is a personal thing I assume. However the Spidey and Ironman fans could probably explain the impact it has on their comings and goings over the years.

Oh boy. If you read Box Office Prophets's weekend reports you would be surprised. MoS did a 2.37 multiplier from OW, and their articles kept projecting it as a major flop. IM3, Thor 2, and now judging by the second weekend drop Cap 2 will all end with 2.36-2.4 multipliers from OW and they are being hailed as major hits by BOP.

Forbes is the only one taking the bigger picture into account, they are the only ones pointing out the fact that despite amazing reviews and supposedly great word of mouth Cap 2 has fallen the exact same percentage as Thor 2 and IM3 did in their second weekend.

 

[super-t]

I was watching MOS again and dear Lord, the tornado scene is one of the most beautiful and well shot pieces of cinema ever. The lighting, music, acting everything!!!

 

[Marvin]

@Fake.
I was being sarcastic.
You are right of course.

As I mentioned before, I think it would have helped if he at least had a lone sequel first before teaming up with Batman. I don't think anyone thinks he's not here to stay. But I do think that other characters will always have an edge in 'cool factor', however one wants to define it. In a lot of ways, I think Superman can eventually work off of that....'refereshingly square', in a way.

I think you either please people by giving them what they have come to expect, or you please the other people by finally changing it. This extreme I think exists with a starter. You are given lot's more opportunity to play and hone your direction in sequel but that thing at the outset, I think mostly lands that way.

Superman as he was, was almost designed to not be cool. It's also surprisingly championed by many a fan too. I think when audience get another go round with this different (more current comic accurate) superman and the shock has worn off, he might seem more 'cool'. I doubt he'll ever be this cool: 1 2 3

but perhaps once he's in a film where he's at the stage of know how to do his job(see asm2 trailer) he'll have a shot. Still, given what people expect of how he is to relate opposite batman, who knows.