BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 83

[Marvin]

Consider the source of Kevin Smith's info ..... ***cough Ben Afllect cough***

Also read Goyer's comments one more time .....

David S Goyer:
When Goyer was asked whether or not he was surprised about the backlash surrounding Superman breaking General Zod's neck at the end of Man of Steel, he replied: "To a certain extent, Superman, cinematically, hadn't been reinvented since the Donner films. We will be dealing it with the coming film. He's not fully formed in [Man of Steel]. He will have to deal with the repercussions in the next film."

Regardless, how does a city just ignore that kind of damage? That kind of oversight in a movie would be utterly baffling and addressing it wouldn't change anything or take away from Snyder's decisions in the first film.

This says nothing about how a city reacts or ignores to anything. Rather that said damage will be a plot or talking point in some form or fashion. For example if he said superman will have to deal with the repercussions of killing zod, that could mean any number of things. It could mean he has Captain Stacy like hauntings and personal struggles that are then dealt with or it could mean he can't pull the trigger when facing batman, but it doesn't automatically mean people in the city will be scared of the killer... Long story short, dealing with something(in this case destruction) could mean a hand full of things. Including that of a personal struggle that then needs to be risen to, or of course Luthor and his personal affliction with the damage...Doesn't necessarily mean the 'city will react' in any particular way.

Just saying, it could be anything.

 

[Goopy Snake]

Consider the source of Kevin Smith's info ***cough Ben Afllect cough*** and he doesn't say anything about speculation. It's a very matter of fact comment.

Dude... how many HOURS does Smith fill up babbling about every possibility? And do you remember how nervous he was about giving away ANYTHING when he first disclosed he'd seen the Batsuit? He knows better than to let something like that slip if he had any foreknowledge of it.

Also read Goyer's comments one more time .....

David S Goyer:
When Goyer was asked whether or not he was surprised about the backlash surrounding Superman breaking General Zod's neck at the end of Man of Steel, he replied: "To a certain extent, Superman, cinematically, hadn't been reinvented since the Donner films. We will be dealing it with the coming film. He's not fully formed in [Man of Steel]. He will have to deal with the repercussions in the next film."

K... I'm reading... and I see him vaguely referring to "repercussions" directly after a mention of the neck snap. I really don't think I'm being obtuse here; this is inconclusive at best.

Regardless, how does a city just ignore that kind of damage? That kind of oversight in a movie would be utterly baffling and addressing it wouldn't change anything or take away from Snyder's decisions in the first film.

After seeing all of Snyder's major movies, I've come to recognize exactly this type of oversight. It's a blind spot in Snyder's creativity and Sucker Punch suffered from much of the same type of issue. Snyder has the picture so clear in his head and he wants you to see that picture, which he pulls off beautifully in that it looks right but then there's these bits and pieces of the story itself that just end up... off. It's comparable to Tarantino in some ways, except it works better with Tarantino because his skewed view permeates everything instead of just showing up here and there. Snyder's flaw was in growing up while Tarantino remained a manchild.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

 

[Rock Sexton]

K... I'm reading... and I see him vaguely referring to "repercussions" directly after a mention of the neck snap. I really don't think I'm being obtuse here; this is inconclusive at best.

Wait, what kind of repercussions would he have to deal with when it comes to snapping a neck? The Kryptonians are gone. They're not in BvS.

After seeing all of Snyder's major movies, I've come to recognize exactly this type of oversight. It's a blind spot in Snyder's creativity and Sucker Punch suffered from much of the same type of issue. Snyder has the picture so clear in his head and he wants you to see that picture, which he pulls off beautifully in that it looks right but then there's these bits and pieces of the story itself that just end up... off. It's comparable to Tarantino in some ways, except it works better with Tarantino because his skewed view permeates everything instead of just showing up here and there. Snyder's flaw was in growing up while Tarantino remained a manchild.

He dealt with city-wide destruction in The Watchmen at the end when Rorschach outed Ozymandias.

Ok seriously though, we've taken up enough of the thread with this. We'll return to it at a much later time.

 

[D.P.]

Exactly. My ignore list is about to become more crowded. Christ.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Exactly. My ignore list is about to become more crowded. Christ.

Fine by me. Won't shed a tear over it.

 

[roach]

we got a pic of Wonder Woman and a teaser...im done talking about Man of Steel.

 

[zryson]

I just find it incredibly odd and unusual. And I've never seen anything like that happen before at the con save for maybe Avengers but even then they had other panels and I imagine RDJ had something to say. I'm supposing this is a product of the two years out circumstance...

Just one sentence from each of them, or even one of them and it wouldn't read so gotdamn awkward to me.

Well its also the studio, they control things very closely behind the scenes. The idea was to just go there, give fans something brief for BvS which I thought they would, and then leave the stage. I think it was a clever presentation on the part of WB.

 

[Tv's Phil]

I think it should be noted that Kevin Smith has said on a few occasions that he hasn't really spoken to Affleck in a while or something to the affect of they're aren't the close buddies people think they are.
I mean, they're "friends" I guess, sure, but he's not getting scoops from him or talking to him much. He's probably gotten more from Snyder than Ben.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

LOL... Remember, a lot of fictional people died that day! NEVER FORGET!!!!

**** did this post make me crack up.

 

[Goopy Snake]

we got a pic of Wonder Woman and a teaser...im done talking about Man of Steel.

Aren't there "Appreciation" threads for people who just want to fanglee? Why must you threadcrap along with DP with your insistence that we drink the Kool Aid?

 

[Herolee10]

Jeez, one can only imagine on how the rest of the Justice League members are going to look like under Snyder's eyes.


On another note, for anyone that is familiar with Batman's history and character..can someone explain to me on why the character doesn't simply adopt wearing mechanized armor/robotic suits in the comics, when the technology is clearly available, as opposed to always operating most of the time by wearing his regular (less than bulletproof) suit?

 

[Goopy Snake]

Exactly. My ignore list is about to become more crowded. Christ.

Something tells me I'll get along great with the people there.

 

[D.P.]

Fine by me. Won't shed a tear over it.

You're fine. You have just got to understand that prior to you two duking it out over this topic, it has already been discussed and debated to death in the previous 82 parts of this thread.

It's just tiring and really poor timing after we just got some amazing footage and our first look at WW.

 

[D.P.]

we got a pic of Wonder Woman and a teaser...im done talking about Man of Steel.

Nothing else really matters IMO. At least for a few days.

We can't give the same tired crap a rest?

 

[Herolee10]

LOL... Remember, a lot of fictional people died that day! NEVER FORGET!!!!

 

[jmc]

Saw the leaked footage. Can't lie and say it doesn't look impressive. That said, it's still hard for me to lose my **** over it given the last movie.

 

[Rock Sexton]

You're fine. You have just got to understand that prior to you two duking it out over this topic, it has already been discussed and debated to death in the previous 82 parts of this thread.

It's just tiring and really poor timing after we just got some amazing footage and our first look at WW.

Understood. In my defense though, I was trying to link the subject to an earlier discussion tonight about why Supes would be angry with Bats in the teaser.

 

[zryson]

On another note, for anyone that is familiar with Batman's history and character..can someone explain to me on why the character doesn't simply adopt wearing mechanized armor/robotic suits in the comics, when the technology is clearly available, as opposed to always operating most of the time by wearing his regular (less than bulletproof) suit?

Its partly about keeping the character of Batman accessible/or grounded. Since many people feel they can relate to him, and want to be him. And that if they train hard, and study they can be like him too.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I agree. Perhaps they came as a last minute thing?

I thought Snyder said they either flew in the night before or morning of the WB panel

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Flass had falafel in Batman Begins
I demand to see the Justice League having hommus in their movie

 

[D.P.]

Saw the leaked footage. Can't lie and say it doesn't look impressive. That said, it's still hard for me to lose my **** over it given the last movie.

I'm not going to tell you what to get excited over, but I think the historical importance of this meeting on film is more than enough for a fan to get excited. Regardless of how you felt about MOS.

 

[Wise]

I finally have power back at my place. Damn council chose today to install a power pole and replace the rotted one. So I've been looking at pics on my phone.

Firstly I love the Wonder Woman outfit. I think that's honestly the best outcome we could have hoped for. It's not so skimpy that it offends people, but it's not so covered up that she becomes unrecognisable.

Personally I wanted a straight New 52 adaptation, but this is very close to that and a lot like the 'Rainfall' short film costume, so I'm very happy.

I'm not thrilled about the reported heavy influences of Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns as personally I think that's the wrong place to draw inspiration from if they're starting a new universe, but I'd like to see the footage before I comment further.

I wasn't sure if we'd get anything substantial, but to get the WW pic and finally put to rest the endless Skirt v Briefs v Pants argument is a nice turning point on these boards. Though I'm still not really sure what we got. It's like a skirt meets loincloth meets briefs.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I love how relevant that weird, non-Ben Affleck Ben Affleck is now.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

that's great and VERY fitting!!!