BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 96

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I love both, but I'll ALWAYS be a DC fan. Always. Marvel movies just don't instill the same sense of joy that i get from watching DC movies/tv. I just love the DC characters SOOO much more and I always have.

What an amazing time to be a DC fan. I really can't believe we're getting all of this over the next few years.

Batman v Superman
Justice League
Shazam
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Sandman
probably a Batman reboot
probably a MOS sequel
Suicide Squad
Arrow
The Flash
Gotham
Supergirl
Teen Titans
Constantine

what am i missing? this lineup is AMAZING. We just need a solo Green Lantern tv series or movie series now. and I'm sorry, but i completely disagree with the folks that think John Stewart could lead a solo franchise. That's an awful idea. Hal Jordan all the damn way. To the people that think that would be a good idea: please get acquainted with GL outside of JL TAS. You will find that John Stewart is a pretty weak character (stop bringing up Mosaic, it's not even that good, and would be a very boring storyline to build a series around). Hal Jordan has always been the only way to go.


Agreed. So much to look forward to when it comes the DC Universe and not just in Film/TV.

They already have been thriving on the Animation side for years and will continue to do so to coincide with the growing Film/TV areas. :woot:
 
I love both, but I'll ALWAYS be a DC fan. Always. Marvel movies just don't instill the same sense of joy that i get from watching DC movies/tv. I just love the DC characters SOOO much more and I always have.

What an amazing time to be a DC fan. I really can't believe we're getting all of this over the next few years.

Batman v Superman
Justice League
Shazam
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Sandman
probably a Batman reboot
probably a MOS sequel
Suicide Squad
Arrow
The Flash
Gotham
Supergirl
Teen Titans
Constantine

what am i missing? this lineup is AMAZING. We just need a solo Green Lantern tv series or movie series now. and I'm sorry, but i completely disagree with the folks that think John Stewart could lead a solo franchise. That's an awful idea. Hal Jordan all the damn way. To the people that think that would be a good idea: please get acquainted with GL outside of JL TAS. You will find that John Stewart is a pretty weak character (stop bringing up Mosaic, it's not even that good, and would be a very boring storyline to build a series around). Hal Jordan has always been the only way to go.

Ugh DC is doing too much now. :o
 
Duuuude Swamp Thing is almost definitely going to be showing up on Constantine and probably later in an eventual Justice League Dark film! Get excited!

I hope we see my homie Etrigan in Constantine as well. How SICK would that be!?

Im hopeful for Swampy appearing on Constantine and crossing my fingers for the Justice League Dark film to happen, so im excited! :woot:
 
I really don't think JL Dark will EVER happen, GDT has a crapload of projects he wants to do and they no doubt already have a plan for their own JL movie, so JL Dark would no doubt have to wait until the DCCU is over (which could easily end up being more than a decade). Aaron Paul has a better chance of being Flash than JL Dark has of being made.
GDT should just produce and have lots of visual and story input, and one of his proteges should direct, like the dude that did "Mama"
 
I love both, but I'll ALWAYS be a DC fan. Always. Marvel movies just don't instill the same sense of joy that i get from watching DC movies/tv. I just love the DC characters SOOO much more and I always have.

What an amazing time to be a DC fan. I really can't believe we're getting all of this over the next few years.

Batman v Superman
Justice League
Shazam
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Sandman
probably a Batman reboot
probably a MOS sequel
Suicide Squad
Arrow
The Flash
Gotham
Supergirl
Teen Titans
Constantine

what am i missing? this lineup is AMAZING. We just need a solo Green Lantern tv series or movie series now. and I'm sorry, but i completely disagree with the folks that think John Stewart could lead a solo franchise. That's an awful idea. Hal Jordan all the damn way. To the people that think that would be a good idea: please get acquainted with GL outside of JL TAS. You will find that John Stewart is a pretty weak character (stop bringing up Mosaic, it's not even that good, and would be a very boring storyline to build a series around). Hal Jordan has always been the only way to go.

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I love both, but I'll ALWAYS be a DC fan. Always. Marvel movies just don't instill the same sense of joy that i get from watching DC movies/tv. I just love the DC characters SOOO much more and I always have.

What an amazing time to be a DC fan. I really can't believe we're getting all of this over the next few years.

Batman v Superman
Justice League
Shazam
Wonder Woman
Aquaman
Sandman
probably a Batman reboot
probably a MOS sequel
Suicide Squad
Arrow
The Flash
Gotham
Supergirl
Teen Titans
Constantine

what am i missing? this lineup is AMAZING. We just need a solo Green Lantern tv series or movie series now. and I'm sorry, but i completely disagree with the folks that think John Stewart could lead a solo franchise. That's an awful idea. Hal Jordan all the damn way. To the people that think that would be a good idea: please get acquainted with GL outside of JL TAS. You will find that John Stewart is a pretty weak character (stop bringing up Mosaic, it's not even that good, and would be a very boring storyline to build a series around). Hal Jordan has always been the only way to go.

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John Stewart is seriously like the third best Green Lantern, don't let your love for Justice League the Animated Series cloud your judgment. That was a very flawed take on the GL mythos, just like their Flash isn't the way to go for movie Flash. They made very questionable decisions for the roster on that show.

You really can't build a franchise around John like you can with Hal and Kyle. Please do yourself a favor and read a brief history of John Stewart on comicvine and come back and try to tell me with a straight face that you actually think John would be a better choice for a solo GL movie.

For the most part, the people that support John Stewart for GL are the most casual of GL fans that basically know nothing about the character outside of his appearance in JL TAS.

Fans of John Stewart bring up ONE storyline from years ago, MOSAIC, as a reason for him to be the lead character. And as someone that is familiar with Mosaic, i can confidently say that a movie series based on that would be squandering the potential that a GL franchise has.

The Geoff Johns GL run destroys Mosaic in every possible way. Crushes it. John Stewart outside of the animated series is a very weak character, not ever meant to lead the Green Lantern storyline.

With Hal Jordan, you have an epic, SPRAWLING, space opera that is very reminiscent of Star Wars.

Watch Green Lantern TAS to see what I'm talking about. Verrry Star Wars inspired at times. Especially the episode "Blue Hope". They were building towards something amazing.

The JS fans baffle me, just get familiar with the character you're pushing so hard, you'll realize that he's not that great of a character and has done nothing noteworthy in the comics. There is no John Stewart centric storyline that would warrant a live action movie or movie series.

There are stories featuring Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner that would warrant a live action movie.

with Hal and Kyle, there is just so much more and so much better material for a movie to draw from.

Do people understand that the Superman/Lex or the Batman/Joker of the GL mythos is Hal Jordan/Sinestro? That is gone when you use John Stewart. The choice is so obvious, i shake my head every time i see someone suggesting John as the lead of a movie series.

If people would just get familiar with John Stewart outside of JL TAS, they would realize that he is not the prime choice for a movie series.

Watch Green Lantern TAS, watch Green Lantern First Flight, read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run and THEN tell me that John Stewart would be a better choice to lead a movie franchise.
 
So Suicde squad.....I gotta say Dcs slate is turning out quite differently than what I predicted,
 
John Stewart should be introduced... along with Kyle and Guy, but they should be introduced in a Green Lantern movie in supporting roles
 
Dude is every one of your posts about friggin GL and specifically how you dont agree with John Stewart? I love Hal Jordan but come on he is not the end all be all of GL and John Stewart is a fine character. How about we get some real confirmation of GL even being around before we get into the GL turf war that seems to show up every few weeks. ;) (this is not as snarky as it comes off)

As for the AQ rumor, this rumor showed up like a year ago and nothing backed it up so I am not buying it. I mean it serves zero purpose to have that be part of the film. The Oil Rig idea makes more sense and I doubt that even happens.
 
Dude is every one of your posts about friggin GL and specifically how you dont agree with John Stewart? I love Hal Jordan but come on he is not the end all be all of GL and John Stewart is a fine character. How about we get some real confirmation of GL even being around before we get into the GL turf war that seems to show up every few weeks. ;) (this is not as snarky as it comes off)

As for the AQ rumor, this rumor showed up like a year ago and nothing backed it up so I am not buying it. I mean it serves zero purpose to have that be part of the film. The Oil Rig idea makes more sense and I doubt that even happens.

GL just seems like the elephant in the room, of course he's going to come up.

He's the biggest DC character to not have any confirmation on. Everyone else is appearing in BvS or getting their own show, and we've heard nothing about GL. Of course he's going to come up.

I just get fed up with people suggesting John Stewart for the lead of a GL franchise. Given the nerdiness of where we are posting, i assume that everyone is pretty familiar with GL if they are discussing him. If you have just watched Justice League TAS, i don't consider that being very familiar with the character. If people would do a bit of research or venture outside of that series, they would realize that Hal is the one that is deserving of a solo movie series. I guess i'm just unable to accept that people would prefer John to Hal if they have read and watched the same things that I have. Geoff Johns' GL run, GL TAS, and GL First Flight converted me. I initially became familiar with GL through the DCAU and I ventured out and realized that the DCAU's GL adaptation was not that great. There were some great GL centric episodes, but the mythology was ****ed up. John had no relationship whatsoever with Star Sapphire and Sinestro in that series.

There should be synergy between the GL in the JL movie and the lead GL of a possible solo movie. If there is any intention of spinning GL off of the JL movie, then Hal is the only choice. If the intention is to feature GL only in the JL movie, then John would be fine.

The New 52 lineup is really the way to go for the DCCU.
 
John Stewart is seriously like the third best Green Lantern, don't let your love for Justice League the Animated Series cloud your judgment. That was a very flawed take on the GL mythos, just like their Flash isn't the way to go for movie Flash. They made very questionable decisions for the roster on that show.

You really can't build a franchise around John like you can with Hal and Kyle. Please do yourself a favor and read a brief history of John Stewart on comicvine and come back and try to tell me with a straight face that you actually think John would be a better choice for a solo GL movie.

For the most part, the people that support John Stewart for GL are the most casual of GL fans that basically know nothing about the character outside of his appearance in JL TAS.

Fans of John Stewart bring up ONE storyline from years ago, MOSAIC, as a reason for him to be the lead character. And as someone that is familiar with Mosaic, i can confidently say that a movie series based on that would be squandering the potential that a GL franchise has.

The Geoff Johns GL run destroys Mosaic in every possible way. Crushes it. John Stewart outside of the animated series is a very weak character, not ever meant to lead the Green Lantern storyline.

With Hal Jordan, you have an epic, SPRAWLING, space opera that is very reminiscent of Star Wars.

Watch Green Lantern TAS to see what I'm talking about. Verrry Star Wars inspired at times. Especially the episode "Blue Hope". They were building towards something amazing.

The JS fans baffle me, just get familiar with the character you're pushing so hard, you'll realize that he's not that great of a character and has done nothing noteworthy in the comics. There is no John Stewart centric storyline that would warrant a live action movie or movie series.

There are stories featuring Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner that would warrant a live action movie.

with Hal and Kyle, there is just so much more and so much better material for a movie to draw from.

Do people understand that the Superman/Lex or the Batman/Joker of the GL mythos is Hal Jordan/Sinestro? That is gone when you use John Stewart. The choice is so obvious, i shake my head every time i see someone suggesting John as the lead of a movie series.

If people would just get familiar with John Stewart outside of JL TAS, they would realize that he is not the prime choice for a movie series.

Watch Green Lantern TAS, watch Green Lantern First Flight, read Geoff Johns' Green Lantern run and THEN tell me that John Stewart would be a better choice to lead a movie franchise.

I'm not saying you are wrong but there is one thing you need to know when making a film on material.

THE. BOOKS. DO. NOT. MATTER.

Tim Burton never read a Batman comic and made 2 great Batman films. Bryan Singer only watched the X-Men cartoons.

Reading the books and comics to make a CBM film is like studying for an exam. It probably best you study but you could ******** the whole thing and still get an A.

Just saying.
 
Levi is right, it's up to the writers if John Stewart is better than his comic counterpart.
 
If I had no knowledge of Hal, based on his film, I wouldn't be interested in the character.
 
I'm not saying you are wrong but there is one thing you need to know when making a film on material.

THE. BOOKS. DO. NOT. MATTER.

Tim Burton never read a Batman comic and made 2 great Batman films. Bryan Singer only watched the X-Men cartoons.

Reading the books and comics to make a CBM film is like studying for an exam. It probably best you study but you could ******** the whole thing and still get an A.

Just saying.
What the hell kind of logic is this...

it's a comic book adaptation, and you're counting on the filmmakers to completely reinvent John Stewart, miraculously turning him into some amazing character that he never was in the comics? Are you serious?

CBM's should take inspiration from the comics. The Nolan movies were fresh stories but they took so much inspiration from the comics. I would expect a GL movie series to adhere to the comics as much as Nolan did.

There is basically no inspiration that a filmmaker could take from the comics if they were adapting John Stewart. There's nothing there of note, he's a supporting character, never meant to lead the series.


Uh, did Tim Burton write the Batman movies? no. and yeah the Burton movies changed things up a lot but they still took a lot of inspiration from the comics, it's not unrecognizable as an adaptation of the comic book, so that point doesn't work.

The X-Men movies changed things up, but even they adhered to the comics, X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills, and DOFP is based on.... well...They changed up the costumes, that's the biggest thing.

The comics DO matter, i generally respect you but that is a completely idiotic statement.

So now that we've established that the books matter, they should go with the character that is the strongest character in the comic books, now that we know that some of the best comic book adaptations have taken major inspiration from the comics.

The best stories from the comics feature Hal Jordan, and it seems very clear to me that a GL movie series should be a loose adaptation of the War of Light/Blackest Night. The next person to adapt GL for film should take as much inspiration from that storyline as Nolan/Goyer took from the comics for their Batman movies, and they should put their own spin on it in the way that Nolan and Goyer did for TDKT.
 
What the hell kind of logic is this...

it's a comic book adaptation, and you're counting on the filmmakers to completely reinvent John Stewart, miraculously turning him into some amazing character that he never was in the comics? Are you serious?

CBM's should take inspiration from the comics. The Nolan movies were fresh stories but they took so much inspiration from the comics. I would expect a GL movie series to adhere to the comics as much as Nolan did.

There is basically no inspiration that a filmmaker could take from the comics if they were adapting John Stewart. There's nothing there of note, he's a supporting character, never meant to lead the series.


Uh, did Tim Burton write the Batman movies? no. and yeah the Burton movies changed things up a lot but they still took a lot of inspiration from the comics, it's not unrecognizable as an adaptation of the comic book, so that point doesn't work.

The X-Men movies changed things up, but even they adhered to the comics, X2 is based on God Loves, Man Kills, and DOFP is based on.... well...They changed up the costumes, that's the biggest thing.

The comics DO matter, i generally respect you but that is a completely idiotic statement.

So now that we've established that the books matter, they should go with the character that is the strongest character in the comic books, now that we know that some of the best comic book adaptations of taken major inspiration from the comics.

The best stories from the comics feature Hal Jordan, and it seems very clear to me that a GL movie series should be a loose adaptation of the War of Light/Blackest Night. The next person to adapt GL for film should take as much inspiration from that storyline as Nolan/Goyer took from the comics for their Batman movies, and they should put their own spin on it in the way that Nolan and Goyer did for TDKT.

Well Dwayne McDuffie, Bruce Timm, and Paul Dini made John better then he was in the comics.

I agree it's more important for a writer to know the comics then the director but a writer also has to be creative.

Let's think of Batman for a second. Think about how Year One changed everything about Batman and added so much to his character and added especially a lot for the character of Jim Gordon. Who's to say a writer can't do that to John?
 
Idris Elba is the only reason why I would want to see a GL film franchise revolve around John.
 
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