BvS All Things Superman and Batman: An Open Discussion - Part 99

[zryson]

If it has WW and AQ it will have to fully embrace it. Otherwise you dont do the demigod story for Wonder Woman or Atlantis.

I expect many characters to make an appearance in BvS since its already been stated, by Snyder that the plan for BvS is that "[The movie] literally takes the 'Man of Steel' and 'Batman' universes and explodes them."

 

[BatFan1979]

All I can say is that since MoS did as well as it did in the theaters and in DVD/Blue Ray sales, BvS will almost reach, if not break, the $1B mark in its theater run, IMO. It's a very hotly anticipated film. I mean even the major media outlets are already asking Ben about the film and it doesn't even open for another 1.5 years! That's some major buzz!! WB better preorder an extra vault to store all the money t:

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

And to clarify, no I do not think Iron Man will be the star of Cap 3 and I'm sure he will serve the story just fine. All of my thoughts are in the appropriate thread of course.

 

[zryson]

All I can say is that since MoS did as well as it did in the theaters and in DVD/Blue Ray sales, BvS will almost reach, if not break, the $1B mark in its theater run, IMO. It's a very hotly anticipated film.

I'm not sure it will join the billion dollar club at the box office. But I look forward to finding out.

 

[Flint Marko]

There isn't a case to be made for Cap's third movie being comparable to BvS.
Cap has appeared in 3 movies thus far, and when he will be sharing the screen with Stark it will be his fifth on-screen appearance.
Superman will be sharing his sequel (his second appearance) with Batman and Wonder Woman. If you can't see the dramatic difference between the two, then you are seeing only what you want to see.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Captain America sequel's which I loved was practically Avengers 1.5 and I still see it mainly as a Captain America movie. And I'm sure the 3rd will be a Captain America movie as well.

If you go into the Cap 3 thread like I have, you would see that some are worried about Downey joining the cast but I'm consistent in my opinions so I'm not.

 

[king666]

We're talking about different characters in completely different situations. There's no double standard. Marvel's universe is already built and the audience knows the characters. They can afford to do this kind of stuff.

 

[T"Challa]

There isn't a case to be made for Cap's third movie being comparable to BvS.
Cap has appeared in 3 movies thus far, and when he will be sharing the screen with Stark it will be his fifth on-screen appearance.
Superman will be sharing his sequel (his second appearance) with Batman and Wonder Woman. If you can't see the dramatic difference between the two, then you are seeing only what you want to see.

was going to say the same thing. All this talk of 'hypocrisy' holds no water.

By the time Cap 3 comes out, Cap would have had 2 solo movies and IM will have 3. Plus they would have appeared together in 2 Avengers movies in a cinematic universe that is 13 movies deep. Plus, lets not forget they already bumped heads in Avengers 1 so the precedent has already been set. We dont know whats going to happen in AOU but i'm guessing they're going to clash again and lay the groundwork for Cap 3.

The point is this, IM and Cap are have been fully fleshed out and characterized over 7 movies. the audience knows everything about these characters: their origins, their psyches and what their stands on various issues are. Even though its not the route i would have taken, having IM in Cap 3 is a lot more of an organic progression than than Batman in an MOS sequel. These two situations are nowhere near the same thing.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Then why do some Cap fans think that it is similar?

 

[dhandler01]

Can we please leave the Marvel vs. DC crap out of this thread. People like what they like for whatever reasons they like.

 

[zryson]

When it was stated that filming for Batman v Superman in Morocco was cancelled many fans wondered what location would stand-in for its replacement. The New Mexico film office website has an interesting report about a major studio Science Fiction feature shooting in the Albuquerque area, starting in late October. What are the odds its Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not Marvel v DC crap, it's hypocritical crap and I will call it out every single time.

I'm on the Cap 3 boards as well as this one because I loved Cap 2. That's not Marvel v DC.

 

[T"Challa]

Then why do some Cap fans think that it is similar?

You would have to ask them. Both movies involve two big name superheroes having a disagreement of some sort. But thats where it ends IMO. The circumstances surrounding the conflicts are completely different

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Too bad your answer was so unsatisfying but I already knew it would be as you aren't here for pure reasons.

 

[T"Challa]

Too bad your answer was so unsatisfying but I already knew it would be as you aren't here for pure reasons.

I'm not sure what you're insinuating. At no point did i badmouth any poster or either movie. I'm just seeing a bunch of posts crying 'hypocrisy' and 'double standards' that i don't agree with and i stated my reasoning pretty clearly. If thats 'impure' then please enlighten me as to why.

 

[dhandler01]

edit: screw it, have your fun

 

[mat-chow]

Organic? This is how we are getting the DCU. We can take it or leave it. So many people are hung up because WB isn't following the Marvel plan. Did you really think they would? I have absolutely no problem with an ensemble follow up to MOS. I think Marvel has stepped it up with this news. Anything less than an EPIC DC film will be lost in the noise. I am convinced that BvS will be beyond epic. And just wait for Justice League. I'm starting to wonder just how soon we will see it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't say you bad mouthed any poster and I'm going to keep crying double standard and hypocrisy when I see it. Don't care if it annoys anyone anymore than the haters care if they annoy me.

As I said months ago, I'm done being polite.

 

[dhandler01]

I didn't say you bad mouthed any poster and I'm going to keep crying doubled standard and hypocrisy when I see it. Don't care if it annoys anyone anymore than the haters care if they annoy me.

 

[Guts]

We know nothing.

 

[craigdbfan]

Simmer down everyone.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

There isn't a case to be made for Cap's third movie being comparable to BvS.
Cap has appeared in 3 movies thus far, and when he will be sharing the screen with Stark it will be his fifth on-screen appearance.
Superman will be sharing his sequel (his second appearance) with Batman and Wonder Woman. If you can't see the dramatic difference between the two, then you are seeing only what you want to see.

Of course all of this only matters if for some reason you choose to believe that DC is doing the same thing Marvel is doing. (Building up a character for 2 or 3 movies THEN put said character in a team up movie.)

Which DC isn't doing. We got Man of Steel, and we will probably get an actual Man of Steel 2 someday.

But this is Batman vs Superman: Dawn of Justice.

was going to say the same thing. All this talk of 'hypocrisy' holds no water.

By the time Cap 3 comes out, Cap would have had 2 solo movies and IM will have 3. Plus they would have appeared together in 2 Avengers movies in a cinematic universe that is 13 movies deep. Plus, lets not forget they already bumped heads in Avengers 1 so the precedent has already been set. We dont know whats going to happen in AOU but i'm guessing they're going to clash again and lay the groundwork for Cap 3.

The point is this, IM and Cap are have been fully fleshed out and characterized over 7 movies. the audience knows everything about these characters: their origins, their psyches and what their stands on various issues are. Even though its not the route i would have taken, having IM in Cap 3 is a lot more of an organic progression than than Batman in an MOS sequel. These two situations are nowhere near the same thing.

I don't see how it is any less organic to have Batman show up in (MoS 2 ?) on the count of I haven't read the script yet.

But if it is that Superman's arrival shook things up and now all kinds of superheroes are starting to pop up that sounds like a good enough reason to me for Batman to be in this.

Let's just get this DCCU started already before we're old.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

Batman The Animated Series = Nolan's Batman
Superman The Animated Series (which really started the DCAU) = Man of Steel
Batman/Superman Movie (with a revamped Batman who doesn't look like BTAS) = Batman V Superman

Only question mark is why Wonder Woman is here.

 

[Flint Marko]

was going to say the same thing. All this talk of 'hypocrisy' holds no water.

By the time Cap 3 comes out, Cap would have had 2 solo movies and IM will have 3. Plus they would have appeared together in 2 Avengers movies in a cinematic universe that is 13 movies deep. Plus, lets not forget they already bumped heads in Avengers 1 so the precedent has already been set. We dont know whats going to happen in AOU but i'm guessing they're going to clash again and lay the groundwork for Cap 3.

The point is this, IM and Cap are have been fully fleshed out and characterized over 7 movies. the audience knows everything about these characters: their origins, their psyches and what their stands on various issues are. Even though its not the route i would have taken, having IM in Cap 3 is a lot more of an organic progression than than Batman in an MOS sequel. These two situations are nowhere near the same thing.

Thank you. This so called "double standard" I see some people in this thread tout around is absolutely, 100%, to the core ridiculous. Cap 3 and BvS aren't comparable; it's apples and oranges at best.

 

[TheNextNolan22]

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