Arrow Arrow General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 27

[Slade W]

Yeah, they do need to figure out what to do with Oliver and Kara together. Maybe if they teamed up just them it would help.

I was just joking. The drama between them last time was contrived because they had to find a way to keep Kara away from the government agents that Oliver and co had a fight scene with. I do not think they originally planned to have Kara in the crossover, so most of the threats in the crossover were too easy for her. Because of that, they had to find a way to keep her away from these threats, so they had Oliver have a problem with her to keep her away. Government agents would have been child's play for Kara. I am sure Oliver and Kara will be fine in the future, unless there are threats that would be too easy for Kara that they want to keep her away from that is .

 

[metaphysician]

Awesome!!! Hopefully we can get more contrived drama between Oliver and Kara like the last time, that exists simply to keep Kara away from the threats that she would find too easy to deal with, such as the Government agents in the last crossover .

Being fair, the heroes dealt with those government agents easily, anyway.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Following his appearance at the Television Critics Association winter press tour (for The CW’s “Behind The Heroes” VFX discussion/demonstration), Arrow co-showrunner Marc Guggenheim was asked about the aforementioned overshare. “Without commenting on the promo, which I have nothing to do with…,” he diplomatically responded, “[and] without commenting on the spoiler, I would say that the episode ends with laying a very specific seed, with a very specific game plan on our part that we hope to see come to fruition.”

Asked if a Canary might suit up as soon as by Season 5’s end, co-showrunner Wendy Mericle told TVLine, “There’s definitely a possibility.”
The EP went on to note, “Look, it’s hard to do a show about Green Arrow without having a Black Canary. I don’t know if it will happen this season or when, but… we are going to be true to origins in the DC universe, and she’s always going to be there.”

http://tvline.com/2017/01/10/arrow-season-5-new-black-canary/

 

[Gintoki]

First Marc didn't care about Black Canary and disrespected her, now they suddenly think she's important? Lol. Obviously they opened their eyes that the whole Laurel character creates buzz for the show. Or maybe Geoff Johns had a little meeting with Berlanti and Guggenheim.

 

[Slade W]

Maybe a higher up at DC said they had to have a Black Canary on the show. It would be funny them taking orders from Johns. This is a man who defended the "Martha" moment after all. Perhaps he should focus on other things, if he is actually involved in them having a new BC.

 

[Paradox1]

Maybe a higher up at DC said they had to have a Black Canary on the show. It would be funny them taking orders from Johns. This is a man who defended the "Martha" incident after all. Perhaps he should focus on other things.

Johns is quoted as saying back when "the green arrow loves the black canary and if you don't understand that you don't understand the character". Also I don't see "Martha" qualifying as an incident.

 

[Slade W]

Johns is quoted as saying back when "the green arrow loves the black canary and if you don't understand that you don't understand the character". Also I don't see "Martha" qualifying as an incident.

So you think Johns is involved in them having a new BC? When Johns said that, he was referring to DC Rebirth, if memory serves me correctly. If he was also saying it to take a sneaky swipe at Arrow, then that would be hilarious, given that he has defended BVS and the DCEU.

 

[Boy Scout]

Also: they said a Canary, not the Canary. I doubt the next Canary, or even the one after that, will be Laurel.

 

[Slade W]

People have to be patient and have faith. In season 12, when they are on their 20th Black Canary, they are going to absolutely nail it, and so many people will be left with egg on their face for doubting them.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I totally think this is a DC mandate since they filmed 4 different cliffhanger responses for Laurel and the original one they showed was Laurel telling Oliver to not shut himself off from a team then out of nowhere they change it to "you need a Canary forever and always "

 

[Slade W]

The one with her telling him not to shut himself off from a team would have been much more relevant to this season. Both the present day and flashbacks are focusing a lot on the importance of teamwork.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yeah, I've missed a LOT of episodes, but I don't think Oliver has ever suffered from not having a Canary by his side. If anything, he'd be lost without an Overwatch (and that's not a shot at Olicity).

 

[Jedi Arrow]

"It's hard to do a show about the Green Arrow without a Black Canary" is the closest we'll ever get to an official "We shouldn't have killed Laurel" statement, so I'll take it. They realized they screwed up (or one of the higher-ups did, and gave them some for it), and now they're backtracking the only way they can. They said "This death will be permanent" so bringing back Laurel would make it look like they're chickening out. They could use Black Siren but they may already have plans for her. So bringing in a new Canary is their only option. I'm content with this because they're reaping the consequences of their mistakes. If they do it well, I'll be happy. If they don't, I'll shake my head and move on.

 

[Slade W]

It is all about quality. If the show maintained the quality of the first two seasons, and the first half of seasons 3, 4 and 5, the show would be perfectly fine without a BC, as awesome and great as she is on the show and in the comics. The show has always been taking from Batman and Teen Titans etc, and in the first two seasons there were people complaining about that, but they were drowned out because most people were enjoying themselves and didn't care. IMO, the majority of people, for the most part, will not care if you make changes from the comics, as long as the changes are good. The season so far has been good. If the new BC has been forced on them, I hope it will not cause issues and drag the season down.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

It is all about quality. If the show maintained the quality of the first two seasons, and the first half of seasons 3, 4 and 5, the show would be perfectly fine without a BC, as awesome and great as she is on the show and in the comics. The show has always been taking from Batman and Teen Titans etc, and in the first two seasons there were people complaining about that, but they were drowned out because most people were enjoying themselves and didn't care. IMO, the majority of people, for the most part, will not care if you make changes from the comics, as long as the changes are good. The season so far has been good. If the new BC has been forced on them, I hope it will not cause issues and drag the season down.

I will say that S5E9 was virtually of S1 quality, so if they can keep this up, then I'll be happy, regardless of how they integrate the new Canary. I mean, I can't stress enough: S5E9 was good. And the rest of S5 has been too. If not of S1 or S2 quality, then at least the quality of S3's good episodes. So I really do hope they continue this trend (and I'm encouraged that they said they're not bringing Noah and Donna back for the time being, so that's not what "Felicity going dark" refers to).

 

[Pennywise]

I'm cautiously optimistic about the rest of Season 5. Hopefully the quality and characterizations of each character stays consistent.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

One thing's for sure: this season is at least responsible for more likeable new characters than S3 and S4 created. Rory and Rene, although the latter can be frustrating at times, have quickly become favorites, I think.

 

[Omegabat]

Maybe a higher up at DC said they had to have a Black Canary on the show. It would be funny them taking orders from Johns. This is a man who defended the "Martha" moment after all. Perhaps he should focus on other things, if he is actually involved in them having a new BC.

I'm not sure what one has to do with the other, Johns has been involved with DCTV for a while now. The Flash show is as much his baby as Berlanti's and he will continue to be involved in the future. It's not like a film exclusive guy like Zack Snyder is telling MG how to do his job. The reason they have Johns is so that both the tv and film verse better reflect the source material.

 

[Avenging Angel]

If they truly want to better reflect the source material on Flash they have to stop making the same mistakes Arrow made in its 3rd season.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Laurels replacement finally joins the show

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“Second Chances” — (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (TV-14, DLV) (HDTV)

TALIA AL GHUL TAKES OLIVER UNDER HER WING — In his quest to take down Kovar, Oliver (Stephen Amell) gets help from a surprising source – Talia al Ghul (guest star Lexa Doig). However, when she reveals what she wants from him in exchange, Oliver isn’t sure he can accept her help. Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) attempts to hack the NSA to help free Diggle (David Ramsey) but when her online efforts are flagged, she faces off against an unknown adversary. Meanwhile, Curtis (Echo Kellum) tells the team about a female vigilante, Tina Boland (guest star Juliana Harkavay), he uncovered online who has been wreaking havoc all over the country.

 

[cheungcheung]

Laurels replacement finally joins the show

At least it's not felicity as the new black canary

 

[MOVIELORD101]

Hold it!

Spoiler

Did that synopsis just spoil that Kovar might be Prometheus? Or was that an error?

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Hold it!

Spoiler

Did that synopsis just spoil that Kovar might be Prometheus? Or was that an error?

No, Oliver accepts Talia's help to stop Kovar in the past. That's the woman he talked about in the mid-season finale, when he said a woman from his past taught him a move that Prometheus used.

 

[Avenging Angel]

Just had a thought, would the writers move Felicity permanently to The Flash? Now that the cast is a bit crowded, Felicity kind of served her purpose. Probably unpopular in theory but I can see it.

 

[Slade W]

That wont happen. Also, regarding Felicity, if "dark Felicity" doesn't work out in the 2nd half of the season, they will have to seriously consider either reducing her role to what it was in the first half of the season permanently, or have her leave the show.