BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 17

[hafizbat]

For some reasons, I think we'll see more Affleck in the Batsuit than him being Bruce Wayne.

I'm down with that, considering how little we got of Batman in TDKR.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I'm down with that, considering how little we got of Batman in TDKR.

Same here

Looking forward to Batman v Superman, not Bruce Wayne v Superman

 

[MrsKent26]

Most do

But the ones that don't are like "He's the only good Batman because of his muscles" :P

I think Bale was a great Bruce with writing that limited him from being a truly great Batman. Affleck will have to work hard to have a believable Wayne, and I doubt he'll have this quality of film to work with.
That is to say, I think Bale's performance is largely considered as good as the films themselves, which I don't think is the case. He tried his hardest to make a simplistic representation of Batman in the suit interesting, but I think the Begins sequels have stories and villains that are more interesting than the character himself.

In the case of Batfleck, he could deliver a truly magnificent performance as Batman and he won't get that much credit if the film is garbage. Too many self-satisfied internet fanboys want every excuse they can have to hate Ben in the role. Hopefully this movie proves them wrong.

I see. I just don't remember lots of people saying Bale is only good because of his muscles.

I liked Bale and his batman, but it's not quite my ideal batman representation. I think the writing was the reason, as opposed to Bale. Regardless, it is my favorite live action batman portrayal.

I found that after begins, plots/villains came before batman's character. The plus side is that this made for a great plot (TDK especially), but batman got lost in it at times. There were still some great bat moments though, like "I can do those things..." and "Not everything, not yet."

In a word, yes. This hasn't really been shown since Michael Keaton laid a pair of red roses on the ground in 1989. A brief allusion to the past would be all that is needed to say everything about the lingering effects on Bruce's psyche.

Yes, it doesn't need lots of screen time, just a short, poignant scene.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

For those who want it addressed, how would you like it to be brought up? I would be fine with a few possibilities:

They could do a brief graveyard scene to show Bruce mourning them.

That would be fine. It would also make for a nice opportunity to introduce Leslie Thompkins (if there's any truth to the rumors surrounding Holly Hunter's role).

 

[MrsKent26]

^ That's a good point. It'd be nice to know who she's playing. That would be a perfect place for Thompkins.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Yep. If I remember correctly, Thompkins runs a clinic in Park Row (aka Crime Alley).

 

[MrsKent26]

^ Aww, that's a nice scene.

 

[elgaz]

Is that meant to be a generic pic of Clooney or a pic of Clooney as Batman?

Because that pic is not Clooney's Batman shape but a pic 13 years later from a movie called The American.

Generic. I don't recall Clooney ever appearing shirtless in Batman & Robin, but his body shape has been more or less consistent throughout his career anyhow - he's never really bulked up massively for anything.

 

[regwec]

That makes him the only Batman so far to keep his shirt on throughout.

 

[titansupes]

That makes him the only Batman so far to keep his shirt on throughout.

I can't remember Keaton going shirtless?

EDIT: Except for when he's hanging upside down in his bedroom (for... whatever reason).

Also, this is probably a more reasonable Clooney pic to use, since it was the same era as B&R:

I'm going to stop searching for photos of shirtless dudes (for) now.

 

[AnneFan]

I can't remember Keaton going shirtless?

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

Only thing that I really didn't like in B89, still my favorite batman movie though.

 

[Jekecy]

I loved this shot. Not exactly subtle, but it's a nice insight into Bruce's lifestyle and psyche without saying anything.

 

[titansupes]

Yeah, I edited as you were posting.

Still, it's not a 'physique glory shot' like the others got. More of a "Batman's a weirdo" shot.

 

[slumcat]

For all we know, he might be doing inverted abs on that thing (Arrow style).

But I think its a brilliant shot. If I remember correctly, the way it is edited is just a quick cut after his partner for the night wakes up. So it is almost like her imagination and not a real occurrence.

The Burton/Keaton Batman films are so good.

 

[DKDetective]

On that note, this is a great read about Batman's physique in comics/movies over the years

http://gothamalleys.blogspot.ie/2011/10/batmans-physical-appearance.html

While there is some point to that analysis, I find it highly flawed. It does not take into account how dramatically the limits of human muscularity have changed over the last century due to anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. It could be argued that the artwork reflects that Batman's physique has changed to keep up with changing definitions of exceptional muscularity and physicial perfection rather than that he was depicted as possessing leaner, less exceptional physiques in decades past. Or the fact that the detail and complexity of comic book art has dramatically increased over the year, such that superhero physiques can look more defined now and, thus, more like that of a bodybuilder.

 

[Lencho01]

 

[Kane52630]

I was listening to this again, it would make for a great Batman theme for BvS.

 

[slumcat]

While there is some point to that analysis, I find it highly flawed. It does not take into account how dramatically the limits of human muscularity have changed over the last century due to anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing drugs. It could be argued that the artwork reflects that Batman's physique has changed to keep up with changing definitions of exceptional muscularity and physicial perfection rather than that he was depicted as possessing leaner, less exceptional physiques in decades past. Or the fact that the detail and complexity of comic book art has dramatically increased over the year, such that superhero physiques can look more defined now and, thus, more like that of a bodybuilder.

The way physiques have been depicted in comic book art almost matches the advances of bodybuilding from period to period. As and when due to the advancements in the fitness industry, the bodies on the stage got bigger and more cut, so did the superheroes in the comics. The entire idea of superheroes in many ways is the masculine ideal - and superheroes are more than human. So as the ideal achieved by humans got pushed further and further, so did the ideal for comic book superheroes.

I think the transformative moment in the screen representation of comic book characters was Snyder's own 300 which brought elite fitness to the movie screens via the ultra-defined physiques of Gerard Butler and the other Spartans. They looked as exaggeratedly ripped as heroes were being drawn in comicbooks and set the new benchmark.

Snyder has now again tried to push the ideal further with Cavill and his Superman.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Well, it looks like i need to reevaluate Beware the Batman. I watched 5 or 6 episodes and wasn't really a fan, but this is awesome!

 

[LamboMan]

^^ I've never watched this show, but damn does that Bruce look like Ben, big chin and all!

 

[Lencho01]

Well, it looks like i need to reevaluate Beware the Batman. I watched 5 or 6 episodes and wasn't really a fan, but this is awesome!

The show had its ups and downs. But, I liked it overall. And I really like Ruivivar's voice.

^^ I've never watched this show, but damn does that Bruce look like Ben, big chin and all!

I don't see much resemblance.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

^^ I've never watched this show, but damn does that Bruce look like Ben, big chin and all!

I think he looks more like Eddie Cibrian, something I find slightly annoying.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I was listening to this again, it would make for a great Batman theme for BvS.

That was good, had a lot Shirley Walker influence.

but watching Affleck patrol the rooftops of gotham with this playing would just be perfection:

 

[DKDetective]

That was good, had a lot Shirley Walker influence.

but watching Affleck patrol the rooftops of gotham with this playing would just be perfection:

The Arkham City score was great, but Shirley Walker's original theme that replaced the Elfman theme on BTAS is in a league of its own in my opinion. Nevertheless, both clips reminded me just how well choir vocals suits Bruce's character and give the score a much needed shot of gothic romanticism. If they give Bruce's theme some choral elements, I will be very pleasantly surprised.