BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 26

[Travesty]

Leading up to MOS, a lot of people would've had you believe it was a Nolan movie. People kept saying he had his hand in this and that, and the movie is obviously Nolan's and not Snyder's, etc.

How times have changed.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Wait, so Nolan IS involved in this to some degree? I hadn't heard that before.

Yeah, Charles Roven briefly spoke of his involvement about a month ago.

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[Naked Shia]

Nolan said he would only watch the movie if cavill and affleck really fight, because a real movie wouldn't put a fake fight.

 

[terry78]

^Ha.

 

[Iceman]

I bet in private Nolan just watches Transformers films on repeat with a huge smile on his face.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I bet in private Nolan just watches Transformers films on repeat with a huge smile on his face.

This would be amazing

And he watches Adam sandler movies too

 

[Boy Scout]

He has said that he likes Michael Bay.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Nolan said he would only watch the movie if cavill and affleck really fight, because a real movie wouldn't put a fake fight.

#realisms

#grounded

 

[lukebrodyg]

#realisms

#grounded

Haha

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Chris Nolan: realer than yo momma and grandmomma

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Leading up to MOS, a lot of people would've had you believe it was a Nolan movie. People kept saying he had his hand in this and that, and the movie is obviously Nolan's and not Snyder's, etc.

How times have changed.

I remember.

Nolan's fingerprints are all over Man of Steel, it's super obvious that he was very involved. It's funny that people who didn't like the film are pretending that Nolan wasn't as involved as he so obviously was. I have maintained for a while that it's both a Snyder and a Nolan film, although I think it's more of a Snyder film because he actually directed it. The directing style and editing is so clearly Snyder. Unlike Nolan Snyder likes green screen sound stages, copious amounts of CGI and is better at shooting fight scenes.

It's obvious Nolan is not involved much in BvS which is fine with me. I think it's better he's more hands off with this production because it involves Batman.

 

[lukebrodyg]

^ I agree.

Additionally, less Nolan is a good thing because I feel like he's over the superhero thing and I'd rather have no input than reluctant input (assuming he's reluctant).

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Remember guys, Nolan is only responsible for the good things in MOS

Snyder and Goyer are responsible for the rest

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

It would be funny if the things Nolan fans didn't like about MOS were things that he convinced Snyder to go with

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Well Snyder is the one who wanted Superman to kill Zod which was a controversial thing...that Superman actually did in Superman 2 but lets put our fingers in our ears and pretend that didn't happen because John Williams and Christopher Reeve FTW!

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well Snyder is the one who wanted Superman to kill Zod which was a controversial thing...that Superman actually did in Superman 2 but lets put our fingers in our ears and pretend that didn't happen because John Williams and Christopher Reeve FTW!

I'm sorry but did you see Superman actually kill Zod in Superman II or you're just assuming that's what happened? Did you see his body lying there in the FOS, dead, like in MOS? Surely you're not saying that you know the ins and outs of Superman's FOS, and that you know Zod fell to his death? Surely you're not saying that "well he killed before" that we should be OK with Superman killing again?

Hmmm?

 

[Uroboric Forms]

I'm sorry but did you see Superman actually kill Zod in Superman II or you're just assuming that's what happened? Did you see his body lying there in the FOS, dead, like in MOS? Surely you're not saying that you know the ins and outs of Superman's FOS, and that you know Zod fell to his death? Surely you're not saying that "well he killed before" that we should be OK with Superman killing again?

Hmmm?

Are you saying that a depowered kryptonian (so effectively human) being pushed down a huge, black chasm in the arctic wouldn't kill him?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Are you saying that a depowered kryptonian (so effectively human) being pushed down a huge, black chasm in the arctic wouldn't kill him?

I'm saying we don't know that. Stranger things have happened in those movies (like the magical amnesia kiss). The scene is too vague for us to say "YES HE KILLED HIM". The fact that they shot a scene with the arctic police taking the kryptonians away makes the filmmakers intents' kinda confusing. I have discussed this before in a lenghty post but basically, considering how many versions of Superman II actually exist, that there is simply no answer as to wheter Superman killed Zod or not. I do know that I certainly did not grow up thinking that Superman had killed Zod, and I'm pretty sure this wasn't even an issue until the Zod kill in MOS.

 

[hafizbat]

Snapping someone's neck is a lot more violent and jarring than pushing someone into basically limbo.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Supes killed Zod in MOS because it suited the story and they didn't hold back. I loved it.

Supes killed Zod in SII passively, almost with no regard because of the campy, light-heartedness of that film.


All of this IMO of course.

 

[I Am The Knight]

There is no 100% right and wrong answer in regards to the SII thing. That will be my final post on the matter as I sense a MOS discussion incoming and this is certainly not the thread for it.

 

[The Endless]

I thought Superman killing Zod in MoS was well handled. It was the best part of the final 20 minutes. The only part that had any real tension.

Then it was ruined by the unearned happy ending where everyone is all of a sudden laughing and joking about basketball tickets in a now seemingly restored Metropolis lol.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Snapping someone's neck is a lot more violent and jarring than pushing someone into basically limbo.

Well, he also brutally crushed the bones in Zod's hand prior to hurling him through the air when there was clearly no need to do so. Zod was in a depowered state (the equivalent of a normal human being), and was no longer much of a threat to anyone. His counterpart in MoS, however, was basically portrayed as a living weapon and a threat to all life on Earth, thus necessitating the use of brute force.

 

[Iceman]

BatFleck would have destroyed Zod.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

BatFleck would have destroyed Zod.

This we can all agree on.