BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 26

[Mrs. Wayne]

 

[ThePhantasm]

Dude, the fights are going to be crazy good. I bet the visuals will be just as amazing, too.

I know, right? I just can't stop talking about it. Can't wait.

 

[BatLobster]

I bet the visuals of Batman kicking Superman's ass all over Metropolis are going to be pretty amazing.

 

[shauner111]

The visuals will be awesome. Im looking forward to that too. But everytime im on here, that's all you 'regulars' talk about. What about Bruce Wayne as a character? Will he use bullets? Is he an old grump? Does he give a damn about Gotham or does he think Gotham will always be pathetic, so he's just doing this to kick the s**t out of criminals? Is he an ass to his Robins, Alfred and Gordon?

All this dissing on Nolans fight scenes. I enjoy both styles, why does everyone have to pick a side. You all want flashy, hard-hitting Hollywood kung-fu...and so do i. But i want it for this version. I also enjoyed Nolans rawer, more realistic fight scenes. Impact, that's what it was. Forget extras falling down almost out of the frame for a second, and just think about the actual fighting. It was a different method, nothing fancy about the editing (excluding Begins). Real-life is not a fancy feast of movie martial arts. Especially when adrenaline kicks in AND you're wearing a heavy suit. Affleck's suit or Bale's...it's heavy and constricting.

Yes, i want Affleck's Batman to be quicker, flashier, yet still brutal. I dont mind him breaking bones. Make the cape CG during the fight scenes if they want. I dont care. But everyone loves putting Nolan down. Well, it's not a crime to like the Bale fighting AND wish for something different with Affleck.

 

[regwec]

I don't think anyone is calling for criminal charges to be pressed.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I bet the visuals of Batman kicking Superman's ass all over Metropolis are going to be pretty amazing.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Real-life is not a fancy feast of movie martial arts. Especially when adrenaline kicks in AND you're wearing a heavy suit. Affleck's suit or Bale's...it's heavy and constricting.

And in real life, Batman would die attempting to fight criminals like that.

So, yah know, real life goes both ways, man.

 

[Travesty]

The visuals will be awesome. Im looking forward to that too. But everytime im on here, that's all you 'regulars' talk about.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I bet the visuals of Batman kicking Superman's ass all over Metropolis are going to be pretty amazing.

Batgod will make Man of Murder answer for all his unpunished crimes

 

[ThePhantasm]

Maybe this will cheer shauner up.



"Didn't make sense not to crash this plane
'Cause I gotta bigger one an' mah name is Bane"

 

[Chip Chipperson]

maybe this will cheer shauner up.



"didn't make sense not to crash this plane
'cause i gotta bigger one an' mah name is bane"

somebody once told me

 

[shauner111]

Maybe it's just me, but i enjoyed Winter Soldier and the fighting was amazing. But i dont need it to go on so long. Im usually like "K cool, he knows how to fight, that was cool, but now let's get to a proper scene where the characters are doing something other than kicking the crap out of each other.

I dont have the hard-on for fight sequences as much as you guys perhaps. Throw Snyder on that list. As long as i see some impact, some conflict, that's cool. But a good fight scene doesn't make or break a character/movie for me. That's not what i think about when i walk out of the cinema. If i walk out and go "man the fights were insane"...it wasn't that good of a movie then, if that's what im taking away from the experience.

Ninja or not, i know he can fight. It wouldn't bother me if Nolan never showed Batman fighting, ever. Just Begins-like creeping around in the shadows, taking f'ers out off camera. Like Bale once said, if it up to him to make his own Batman movie, it wouldnt have all these special effects & fighting, it would be something weird and character based. I'd love to see something like that in the future. But it wont happen because people want to be entertained by explosive fighting between superheroes. Which is cool, but it's only a bonus for me. I can live without it.

And in real life, Batman would die attempting to fight criminals like that.

So, yah know, real life goes both ways, man.

A world-class ninja would die fighting mercenaries? I dont think so.

You're only funny 3 times out of 10.

Maybe this will cheer shauner up.



"Didn't make sense not to crash this plane
'Cause I gotta bigger one an' mah name is Bane"

Didn't find it funny.

 

[shauner111]

To add to that, yes, i have a blast watching popcorn flicks (incase u guys are wondering "geez he seems grumpy!". And i should probably go into these movies with that mentality. Batman looking cool, kicking ass, with other superheroes. Ill love that with my buddies. But i usually dont care about it.

Watchmen was cool in that sense. That's what i think about, everytime i watch it. The fights. I didn't feel for any of the characters outside of that. So nowadays i dont look at it as a good film.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

The visuals will be awesome. Im looking forward to that too. But everytime im on here, that's all you 'regulars' talk about. What about Bruce Wayne as a character? Will he use bullets? Is he an old grump? Does he give a damn about Gotham or does he think Gotham will always be pathetic, so he's just doing this to kick the s**t out of criminals? Is he an ass to his Robins, Alfred and Gordon?

All this dissing on Nolans fight scenes. I enjoy both styles, why does everyone have to pick a side. You all want flashy, hard-hitting Hollywood kung-fu...and so do i. But i want it for this version. I also enjoyed Nolans rawer, more realistic fight scenes. Impact, that's what it was. Forget extras falling down almost out of the frame for a second, and just think about the actual fighting. It was a different method, nothing fancy about the editing (excluding Begins). Real-life is not a fancy feast of movie martial arts. Especially when adrenaline kicks in AND you're wearing a heavy suit. Affleck's suit or Bale's...it's heavy and constricting.

Yes, i want Affleck's Batman to be quicker, flashier, yet still brutal. I dont mind him breaking bones. Make the cape CG during the fight scenes if they want. I dont care. But everyone loves putting Nolan down. Well, it's not a crime to like the Bale fighting AND wish for something different with Affleck.

We've been over this before, but it's not necessarily flashier fights that everyone's clamoring for, as much as it is entertaining fight scenes. Which, IMO, TDKT was seriously lacking. Those films were amazing despite their fight scenes, though they could have been better with more engaging confrontations. That's probably why people are so critical of them and why they're hoping for better.

Also, from what I've observed, people on these forums spend just as much time talking about Batman's characterization as they do the visuals / choreography. Probably more so.

 

[ThePhantasm]

A world-class ninja would die fighting mercenaries? I dont think so.

You JUST SAID that his slow movement in Nolan's films was realistic because he had "heavy and constricting" armor.

Real-life is not a fancy feast of movie martial arts. Especially when adrenaline kicks in AND you're wearing a heavy suit. Affleck's suit or Bale's...it's heavy and constricting.

Rule#2 of being a ninja... be fast. (Rule#1 is hide in the shadows)

 

[BatLobster]

Haaa, you guys really are acting like a-holes now. I can enjoy a good ribbing, but jeez, it's like the gloves have come off completely and some of you really don't care. Sooner or later the Nolan-loyalists and Snyder/Fleck-loyalists are going to have to at least attempt to get along here. It's already bad enough with all the annoying DC/Marvel fighting, not to mention Bats/Supes fans fighting without adding more in-fighting between Bat-fans. We've got a long road ahead of us if things don't improve.

It could be better in here if people just chilled and were more respectful, but the vibe gets so nasty and petty in here sometimes.

I think it's time for Bat-fans to grow up a little and attempt to start acting more mature. We are living up to our bad reputation.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Maybe it's just me, but i enjoyed Winter Soldier and the fighting was amazing. But i dont need it to go on so long. Im usually like "K cool, he knows how to fight, that was cool, but now let's get to a proper scene where the characters are doing something other than kicking the crap out of each other.

I dont have the hard-on for fight sequences as much as you guys perhaps. Throw Snyder on that list. As long as i see some impact, some conflict, that's cool. But a good fight scene doesn't make or break a character/movie for me. That's not what i think about when i walk out of the cinema. If i walk out and go "man the fights were insane"...it wasn't that good of a movie then, if that's what im taking away from the experience.

Ninja or not, i know he can fight. It wouldn't bother me if Nolan never showed Batman fighting, ever. Just Begins-like creeping around in the shadows, taking f'ers out off camera. Like Bale once said, if it up to him to make his own Batman movie, it wouldnt have all these special effects & fighting, it would be something weird and character based. I'd love to see something like that in the future. But it wont happen because people want to be entertained by explosive fighting between superheroes. Which is cool, but it's only a bonus for me. I can live without it.

A world-class ninja would die fighting mercenaries? I dont think so.

You're only funny 3 times out of 10.

Didn't find it funny.

We get it... You're the superior fan to all us "regulars" with insight into the mythology of Batman that dwarfs the rest of us. You commune with the spirit of Bob Kane every two weeks while the rest of us cannot comprehend the depths of Nolan's breathtaking genius and are only interested in watching a film that is essentially BLOODSPORT with guys in capes. There is no place in true fandom for people looking for inventive and pleasing to the eye action. All CBMs simply must be a tete a tete with the burning bush on the mountain or else they are worthless and the fans of such inferior materials are ignorant mouth breathing fools that just "don't get it" the way you do.

 

[BatLobster]

Ugh.

 

[The Shape]

The visuals will be awesome. Im looking forward to that too. But everytime im on here, that's all you 'regulars' talk about. What about Bruce Wayne as a character? Will he use bullets? Is he an old grump? Does he give a damn about Gotham or does he think Gotham will always be pathetic, so he's just doing this to kick the s**t out of criminals? Is he an ass to his Robins, Alfred and Gordon?

All this dissing on Nolans fight scenes. I enjoy both styles, why does everyone have to pick a side. You all want flashy, hard-hitting Hollywood kung-fu...and so do i. But i want it for this version. I also enjoyed Nolans rawer, more realistic fight scenes. Impact, that's what it was. Forget extras falling down almost out of the frame for a second, and just think about the actual fighting. It was a different method, nothing fancy about the editing (excluding Begins). Real-life is not a fancy feast of movie martial arts. Especially when adrenaline kicks in AND you're wearing a heavy suit. Affleck's suit or Bale's...it's heavy and constricting.

Yes, i want Affleck's Batman to be quicker, flashier, yet still brutal. I dont mind him breaking bones. Make the cape CG during the fight scenes if they want. I dont care. But everyone loves putting Nolan down. Well, it's not a crime to like the Bale fighting AND wish for something different with Affleck.

 

[Jekecy]

It wouldn't bother me if Nolan never showed Batman fighting, ever. Just Begins-like creeping around in the shadows, taking f'ers out off camera. Like Bale once said, if it up to him to make his own Batman movie, it wouldnt have all these special effects & fighting, it would be something weird and character based. I'd love to see something like that in the future. But it wont happen because people want to be entertained by explosive fighting between superheroes. Which is cool, but it's only a bonus for me. I can live without it.

I would agree with this notion, if we're to base it off what the director is capable of. Nolan clearly isn't as well articulated in the art of action choreography, so it wouldn't bother me one bit if there was zero "action" at all. I'd much rather have no rating for it, rather than a negative impression.

Same goes for other elements as well. If a director is terrible at a certain area of filmmaking, if they truly cannot make it good, then they shouldn't touch upon it. Checklists be damned.

I hope Snyder takes note, because in many ways MOS was a film of him trying to be something he's not. And imo he failed in quite significant areas as a result. A full-on Snyder film, I feel, would've been a lot more successful.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Ugh.

It's only going to get worse come BvS's Batman.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Maybe it's just me, but i enjoyed Winter Soldier and the fighting was amazing. But i dont need it to go on so long. Im usually like "K cool, he knows how to fight, that was cool, but now let's get to a proper scene where the characters are doing something other than kicking the crap out of each other.

I dont have the hard-on for fight sequences as much as you guys perhaps. Throw Snyder on that list. As long as i see some impact, some conflict, that's cool. But a good fight scene doesn't make or break a character/movie for me. That's not what i think about when i walk out of the cinema. If i walk out and go "man the fights were insane"...it wasn't that good of a movie then, if that's what im taking away from the experience.

Ninja or not, i know he can fight. It wouldn't bother me if Nolan never showed Batman fighting, ever. Just Begins-like creeping around in the shadows, taking f'ers out off camera. Like Bale once said, if it up to him to make his own Batman movie, it wouldnt have all these special effects & fighting, it would be something weird and character based. I'd love to see something like that in the future. But it wont happen because people want to be entertained by explosive fighting between superheroes. Which is cool, but it's only a bonus for me. I can live without it.
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1. A good fight scene doesn't require it to be long.

2. They could absolutely make a good Batman film without fight scenes, though no matter how good it was, I would still find myself a little let down. I'm not going into a movie like There Will Be Blood expecting fight scenes, nor am I going into a Batman movie expecting a nuanced character study.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I hope Snyder takes note, because in many ways MOS was a film of him trying to be something he's not. And imo he failed in quite significant areas as a result. A full-on Snyder film, I feel, would've been a lot more successful.

That's an interesting interpretation. I thought MOS was a great new development in Snyder's style and an overall improvement.

 

[ThePhantasm]

nor am I going into a Batman movie expecting a nuanced character study.

ay yi yi

I disagree with this so much...

 

[Travesty]

You're only funny 3 times out of 10.