BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - Part 35

[morningmimosa]

Maybe we'll get that glorious line when he's serving justice to some criminals.

 

[Guts]

I want the "I am a equal rights justice dispenser" line.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

It probably was but it's not the same for me.

Oh, I wasn't suggesting that they were trying to supplant the quote w/ said line, just that it could've been thrown in there as a subtle nod.

 

[King23DC]

For me, Bale as Batman was never more than ok and everything I've seen of Batfleck so far convinced me that his portrayal will be superior in my eyes. How disrespectful of me.

Based on what though?

How does one even come to that assumption of a conclusion? We've barely seen anything out of his Batman in trailers and TV spots. Yet he's already proven more than Keaton or Bale? SMH.

That's not opinion that's misguided. It would be like someone saying the movie sucks when no one has even seen it yet.

We've seen the most from his Bruce Wayne ... And actually the most chops or dimension in their performance period has been from what we've seen so far is Eisenberg's Lex.

So excuse me for defending previous superior actors performances in the role, ones that actually exist and can be judged when some prisoner of the moment fanboy says Affleck is already better based off the fact they prefer the more literal translation of the comic book bat suit.

It's mystifyingly stupid.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Keaton brought coolness. Bale's brought soul. Affleck will bring badassery.

Nice. i think that sentence respects the past while anticipating the future.

 

[BRGomes]

Maybe we'll get that glorious line when he's serving justice to some criminals.

Imagine if he says that for Clark: "People think it's an obsession. A compulsion. As if there were an irresistible impulse to act. It's never been like that. I chose this life. I know what I'm doing. And on any given day, I could stop doing it. Today, however, isn't that day. And tomorrow won't be either."

 

[Bren]

I.... I just didn't 'get' the Bale 'soul'. I guess I must be a terrible person.

 

[King23DC]

I.... I just didn't 'get' the Bale 'soul'. I guess I must be a terrible person.

Bale definitely showed passion. Thus the whole animalistic growl, transformation and hunched leaning body language to project feral anger.

Keaton brought a cool, calm, internal neurotic / crazy American swagger. Complete with his spectre like whisper voice.

Kilmer was wooden.
Clooney bobbed his head.

And so far we've seen nothing but massive size, two really bad ass suits and a modulated voice out of Beastfleck.

That's why comic book mainly fans are hyping up Affleck over nothing of substance yet. It's all about the stoic image. Like comic books. Or their perception on what is and what isn't faithful.

The term adaptation has always been lost on this crowd. Bale showed by far the most dimension because he's the best actor of the group to play the character. With Keaton not far behind.

 

[Travesty]

I don't think Kilmer was wooden.

 

[King23DC]

I don't think Kilmer was wooden.

Very. His Bruce and Batman. It was a phoned in performance. No real talent was shown in the role. Or anything to make it his own. No leaps to add mannerisms or nuance or intrigue. It looked like he was imitating Keaton much of the time. But in a much more wooden and card board cut out kind of way. Even his physical posture as Batman wasn't creature of the night. He would almost stand either with just his arms at his side or the cliche hands on hips superhero posturing. He sucked.

 

[KillerWolf]

I agree Kilmer didn't bring anything new and was mostly imitating Keaton (probably what was asked of him), but I don't think he was that bad. Just not very impressive.

 

[Jekecy]

Bah, I thought his Bruce is criminally underrated.

 

[KillerWolf]

I was talking more about his Batman. His Bruce was fine, occasionally even good.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Bale definitely showed passion. Thus the whole animalistic growl, transformation and hunched leaning body language to project feral anger.

Keaton brought a cool, calm, internal neurotic / crazy American swagger. Complete with his spectre like whisper voice.

Kilmer was wooden.
Clooney bobbed his head.

And so far we've seen nothing but massive size, two really bad ass suits and a modulated voice out of Beastfleck.

That's why comic book mainly fans are hyping up Affleck over nothing of substance yet. It's all about the stoic image. Like comic books. Or their perception on what is and what isn't faithful.

The term adaptation has always been lost on this crowd. Bale showed by far the most dimension because he's the best actor of the group to play the character. With Keaton not far behind.

I'm by no means going to jump to the conclusion that Affleck WILL be the best Batman, but from everything I've seen so far, I think he certainly could be. And that's not based on the superficial elements (he's already the best in that department, IMO) it's based on both what I've seen of his performance and on this particular interpretation of Batman (which is what I prefer).

 

[KillerWolf]

I'm by no means going to jump to the conclusion that Affleck WILL be the best Batman, but from everything I've seen so far, I think he certainly could be. And that's not based on the superficial elements (he's already the best in that department, IMO) it's based on both what I've seen of his performance and on this particular interpretation of Batman (which is what I prefer).

I concur.

 

[King23DC]

Bah, I thought his Bruce is criminally underrated.

I think if ANYONE is underrated it's Bale's weighted performance in TDK to counteract Ledger's charisma and intense frightening performance. All the nuance I could point to in various specific scenes.

Bale as a whole is underrated in the last two films of that trilogy.

I digress. Which Kilmer scenes in Forever ad Bruce made him so underrated to you?

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Ha, what ? Aside from a few who hate on Bale for the sake of hating, everyone loves him and Nolan's trilogy.

 

[King23DC]

Ha, what ? Aside from a few who hate on Bale for the sake of hating, everyone loves him and Nolan's trilogy.

Key word. Underrated.

It's much better than people give credit for ...

I've heard many act like Bale is an after thought in TDK and Rises. Claiming TDK is the Joker's movie. When really he's just a colorful, frightening and organic plot device. Amazing performance from Heath withstanding.

Bale's subtlety and nuance is what the whole thing bounced off. Same with Rises. People usually only reference his performance in BEGINS.

Where he's the only actor to carry through the vast majority of screen time, character development and range from any actor to take on the character. Without that performance and his underrated performance in the two sequels ... the entire trilogy doesn't even exist.

Kind of like what RDJ did for Marvel Studios.

That's why anyone claiming Affleck is already better than Keaton or Bale off the only thing we've seen from him in costume "Do you bleed" is moronic and disrespectful to the performances that came before him.

Bale didn't need anyone else to carry a movie as Batman the way Keaton did. Or the novelty and another superhero sharing the spotlight the way Affleck will.

Now it is fair to say based off aesthetics he might be the definitive Batman thus far. From the design choice of Gotham and the Batmobile and the suit. Snyder melded the functionality and grit of Nolan. With the stylistic, atmospheric and Gothic approach of Burton.

Gotham is a real set location, real American urban decaying city. Akin to Nolan's more epic on set filming in the states. As opposed to the claustrophobic sets of the previous films. Amplified by some sets and atmospheric setting to not make it just feel like a normal American city the way some critique Nolan's Chicago, New York and Pittsburgh based Gotham.

His Batmobile is tank like and functional as the tumbler. But with the flair like the Furst Batmobile.

The Bat suit is direct comic translation both in color and look. But it still managed to give it an organic, creature of the night vibe without losing real world credibility with the Kevlar texture and muscle armor plating.

Aesthetically yes Affleck's Batman has strong argument for best.

Performance? We haven't seen anything close in sample size or quality to dare say he's the best yet.

That's not being overly nostalgic. And it's not being prisoner of the moment. It's just the truth from an objective point of view.

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't agree Kilmer was wooden, I think his Bruce Wayne seemed a little bored at times but he nailed Batman.

Bale is great in the Dark Knight Trilogy (although I think he is going through the motions a bit in Rises during his Batman scenes). He's not underrate at all though he's mostly praised for the Batman films.

 

[Sharkboy]

I love Bales Batman and I love Keatons Batman, they are both wildly different, I couldn't see Keaton working one bit in Nolan's stories and vice versa, so the idea of there being a better portrayal amongst them is kind of a pointless notion since so far each Batman has been intrinsically linked to their wildly different tonal universes. I guess you could fight these battles on how well they performed within their universe but in my opinion they rocked it in that case too. West/Keaton/Conroy/Bale are all masters in their own era and I can only imagine Batfleck would be the same, I just disagree that if this Batman is somewhat closer to "the comics" it's somehow superior, as history has always dictated this not to be true at all.

What he should be is something unique and bring a level to cinematic Batman that we haven't seen before, so he becomes an era unto himself...not some lousy footnote that Kilmer and Clooney were.

The same principle applies to Joker and it's why I can never argue when someone states that "Keaton is my Batman" or "Romero was my Joker", it's down to your preference of tone and portrayal, not what is closer to some imaginary "canon"

 

[BH/HHH]

I love Bales Batman and I love Keatons Batman, they are both wildly different, I couldn't see Keaton working one bit in Nolan's stories and vice versa, so the idea of there being a better portrayal amongst them is kind of a pointless notion since so far each Batman has been intrinsically linked to their wildly different tonal universes. I guess you could fight these battles on how well they performed within their universe but in my opinion they rocked it in that case too. West/Keaton/Conroy/Bale are all masters in their own era and I can only imagine Batfleck would be the same, I just disagree that if this Batman is somewhat closer to "the comics" it's somehow superior, as history has always dictated this not to be true at all.

What he should be is something unique and bring a level to cinematic Batman that we haven't seen before, so he becomes an era unto himself...not some lousy footnote that Kilmer and Clooney were.

The same principle applies to Joker and it's why I can never argue when someone states that "Keaton is my Batman" or "Romero was my Joker", it's down to your preference of tone and portrayal, not what is closer to some imaginary "canon"

Totally agreed

 

[King23DC]

Kilmer nailed Batman?

The character has never been portrayed as that wooden, boring, stoic or emotionless. Batman has more rage (Bale) or crazy (Keaton) than that. At least in the most interesting and complex interpretations.

Kilmer's Batman was a superhero cliche. Phoned in. Keaton derivative imitation. Like Batman downed a bottle of Xanax before fighting crime.

Didn't even use his cape or body to project a violent, fearsome Bat monster.

His Wayne, a boring, dry piece of wood. Dude didn't even act goofy as a playboy Bruce. Didn't have depression or anger issues.

These are essential to the character.

So ... no one has a problem with claiming Affleck is the best on screen Batman already?

Hmm superhero"HYPE" indeed.

I prefer to see an actor actually EARN that kind of respect. Not just handed out willy nilly.

 

[BH/HHH]

Kilmer nailed Batman?

The character has never been portrayed as that wooden, boring, stoic or emotionless. Batman has more rage (Bale) or crazy (Keaton) than that. At least in the most interesting and complex interpretations.

Kilmer's Batman was a superhero cliche. Phoned in. Keaton derivative imitation. Like Batman downed a bottle of Xanax before fighting crime.

Didn't even use his cape or body to project a violent, fearsome Bat monster.

His Wayne, a boring, dry piece of wood. Dude didn't even act goofy as a playboy Bruce. Didn't have depression or anger issues.

These are essential to the character.

So ... no one has a problem with claiming Affleck is the best on screen Batman already?

Hmm superhero"HYPE" indeed.

I prefer to see an actor actually EARN that kind of respect. Not just handed out willy nilly.

It's an opinion, learn to respect people's opinions

 

[Travesty]

I just wouldn't use "wooden" to describe him. I'm not saying he's the best or anything, but I don't think his portrayal was "wooden". I don't think that's an apt description.

 

[King23DC]

It's an opinion, learn to respect people's opinions

We are discussing opinions, no? I'm just asking for reasoning as to why you came to your opinion.

Are we all supposed to agree? This is the entertaining part of sharing these opinions. No one is taking your opinion away from you.

Don't be so soft. Just explain yourself well to shut up my difference in opinion. Convince me to see your side.

Thus a discussion board.

Use your words. Articulate yourself. Don't be like Zach Snyder in interviews.