BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 38

He accidentally killed Dent while trying to save a child (and wasn't strong enough to hold onto both of them with one arm). And he shot the truck driver in TDKR out of desperation because a NUCLEAR BOMB was about to go off and destroy the entire city and kill everyone in it.

These are NOT THE SAME as what he does in this movie, not even close.

 

Nor should you be.

 

You know it's bad when I agree with The Joker :'(

 

And in BB he killed all those people in the Himalayan monastery and, if we are applying the same degree of scrutiny, all of those cops who he flipped over in their cars. But it isn't really important, the point is that it would be tough to introduce the toughest ever Batman who was also the most squeamish about murder.

 

Exactly. I think the concept of a world weary Batman that is questioning his very reason for being is an excellent starting point. So is the idea that Superman's arrival is the catalyst for Bruce having his faith restored.

But for the love of crimminey, does that mean you have to make Batman a stone cold killer to do it? Or a man who can't even begin to accept the notion that Superman is a force for good?

No. Of course not. They needed a reason to punch each other, didn't they?

 

I think we're all getting sick of that.

 

Nicely said, Pengy.

Everybody should agree with The Joker. Crazy not stupid

 

Tough, but not impossible. And I don't believe that a character who doesn't have to kill should necessarily be described as 'squeamish' - he's just better at what he does than anybody else.

 

Since TDKR, people HAVE been complaining about the inconsistency of the No-Kill code. But at least he TRIED to have one

 

That was in a desperate attempt to save a child's life. His intention was to save the boys life, not to kill Harvey. Harvey's death was accidental. Not much planning or thought was put into Batman's successful attempt at saving the kid, what he did was rushed and quite desperate, as he did not have much time and he had to act very quickly. He almost killed himself and the kid in his desperate attempt. That is different to killing thugs that he could have avoided killing.

 

He's going to build a wall and make the kryptonians pay for it.

 

Is this thread just going to be discussing kill counts in these movies? I feel like its just going around in circles every time with everyone commenting the same thing again and again. Can't we just leave it at some people have a problem with it and some don't.

 

I do have a problem with it, but less so than with the previous seven Batman films, as here some effort was at least made to demonstrate that Batman was acting out of character.

I do wish directors would stop walking into this bear trap, however.

 

Batfleck was my favorite batman, and it isn't really close. That being said, my favorite Bruce Wayne was Bale, with Ben being a close 2nd.

 

Looking at how it went with mos, I doubt it. Then again it won't be 3 years between movies.

 

It's bizarre, isn't it? Even Nolan trips up, and he arguably 'gets' Batman better than other live action directors. Maybe it's a Hollywood thing? Heroes generally do kill in high budget action movies. Maybe the concept of a no kill policy is too alien to the established Hollywood way of doing things?

 

This is the problem with Batman tho... everyone has their own interpretation of the character, so there will always be backlash.

 

Hmmm. Read my post again chief.

 

Let's go with the problems I DIDN'T have with Batfleck..

1. Batman being obsessive to the point of wanting to kill Superman.

Superman has all the power, and Batman's crazy, so I'm okay with Batman trying to kill Superman.

2) I'm ALMOST okay with him killing

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KGBEAST

. That moment felt just like TDKReturns. It just was undermined by having Batfleck

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kill almost every other thug.

3) The performance itself.

Ben Affleck's performance ranged from OK to EXCELLENT, with Affleck managing to be LEGITIMATELY creepy out of suit at times, and amazing once he put in on. (Keaton's the master of broodiness, Bale's the master of public Wayne, but Affleck managed to capture both the coolness and psychosis of Batman without compromising the other)

4) The fight scenes. Except for the body count

 

I don't think he was singling WB out there.

 

I have zero issues with Affleck's performance. Thought he was really, really good.

It's some of the material he's fed that's the problem.

 

I think he'd work out really well in a solo movie. Perhaps the Killing Joke? Other than that I don't really care for this universe they're laying out for him to be a team member of. Just give us solo Batman movies with Affleck and I'll be happy.

 

That could well be what we get if WB take a hard line following BvS's box office plummet. They could conceivably soft reboot Affleck into a solo movie series with no connection to BvS. Deadpool came back different but with the same actor, and that turned out pretty well all round.

 

Agreed with these posts.

 

^ I'd like a "soft reboot" for Batman. Just Bond him with the same actor. Retcon BvS into a nightmare sequence