BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 39

[Boom]

Why have the sharp blades at all then if they weren't to be used? Why not just use a regular ol' bowstaff? Why bother training to use a lethal weapon nonlethally when you could just, you know, have a nonlethal weapon from the start?

I struggle to see what other practical reason those things serve other than to maim.

 

[dark_b]

isnt the point of a big halberd that its big and that it can do a lot of damage?

i think there are smarter tools to disable criminals with weapons.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Why have the sharp blades at all then if they weren't to be used? Why not just use a regular ol' bowstaff? Why bother training to use a lethal weapon nonlethally when you could just, you know, have a nonlethal weapon from the start?

I struggle to see what other practical reason those things serve other than to maim.

Do blades only exist in this world to kill people with? Can't they be used to cut through a variety of different objects and material?

 

[Boom]

Do blades only exist in this world to kill people with? Can't they be used to cut through a variety of different objects and material?

What are blades on weapons typically designed for?

This isn't some gardening or welding tool. It's an offensive weapon. With blades on it. Seems obvious enough what they're for.

 

[The Guard]

Do blades only exist in this world to kill people with? Can't they be used to cut through a variety of different objects and material?

Yes.

And they can also be used to deflect other bladed weapons.

When we see Robin using this thing to slice and dice, we can ***** about it then.

Till then, the film showed that he had, at some point, a bladed weapon. We don't know how he used it in combat.

And if it was indeed used to maim and stab people in some capacity...well, we've established that different from the comics is bad. So I guess it's bad.

 

[The Shape]

Yes.

And they can also be used to deflect other bladed weapons.

When we see Robin using this thing to slice and dice, we can ***** about it then.

Till then, the film showed that he had, at some point, a bladed weapon. We don't know how he used it.

Nah man, it totally means Batman trained him to be a ruthless killer. Absolutely zero doubt about it. That's the only possible way to explain it or imagine it, right?

 

[FunkMiller]

Yes.

And they can also be used to deflect other bladed weapons.

When we see Robin using this thing to slice and dice, we can ***** about it then.

Till then, the film showed that he had, at some point, a bladed weapon. We don't know how he used it.

I'm sorry Guard, but your reasoning is just way out of the window on this one.

If a film-maker places a lethal weapon into the hands of character in such a ceremonial fashion as was depicted with that Robin shrine, then the intent of that film-maker is to suggest that the character in question used that weapon for its intended purpose.

The amount of designs included in the tech-manual reveals that an awful lot of thought went into the weapon's creation, and therefore a lot of thought went into what it would mean when that weapon was placed in Robin's hands.

I think it's just time to accept that Zack Snyder wants his heroes to be okay with killing. He has no problem with it.

 

[FunkMiller]

Do blades only exist in this world to kill people with? Can't they be used to cut through a variety of different objects and material?

Bladed weapons? No. A bladed weapon is designed to kill. Blades exist in other forms, obviously. Can openers, for instance. But when a weapon is manufactured to slice open human skin and tear through tissue, cartilage, and even bone, it's intent is to kill.
To say bladed weapons are not designed to kill, is like saying bullets aren't either.

 

[Greens]

Nah man, it totally means Batman trained him to be a ruthless killer. Absolutely zero doubt about it. That's the only possible way to explain it or imagine it, right?

Maybe not to be a ruthless killer, but to severely maim criminals... yes.

 

[Saint]

Reg was correct when he pointed out how silly it is to fret over something that didn't even make it into the movie.

I just can't help myself, though: I have to play the fool and address the idea of the nonlethal battleaxe.

While there is often a generous amount of disbelief to suspend when it comes to the lethality of superheroes and their arsenals--people walking away from being hit with Cap's shield seems pretty unlikely--in this case we are talking about a halberd. Sure, Robin could carry it around every night and use it for things other than disembowelling criminals, if it was written that way. However, it would be a lot like if DC decided that Superman now carries an AK47 with him in case he needs to shoot kryptonite out of the hands of his enemies. Yeah, you could write it that way... But it would be ****ing stupid. There are a million ways he could do that without carrying a weapon designed for the sole purpose of killing guys. Why on earth would he pick that weapon for that purpose?

Those are the options, in my mind. Either he killed people with it or instead it's just plain stupid.

Anyways, if we're really honest with ourselves, do we actually believe that, if there was a Zack Snyder directed flashback where Robin wielded this weapon, that nobody would die?

Fine, it's dumb to get butt hurt by concept art. But one has to understand the the battleaxe is just a single point in a continuum of reasons that I'm not okay with the level of lethality displayed by heroes in Snyder's films.

 

[regwec]

The Guard is correct again. There are infinite causes for worry and regret in this world. The content of superhero movies comes after them. Details that could have been in the aforesaid movies but were not come far later.

 

[FunkMiller]

But one has to understand the the battleaxe is just a single point in a continuum of reasons that I'm not okay with the level of lethality displayed by heroes in Snyder's films.

Absolutely. It's symptomatic of a wider problem that affects the whole movie, and Snyder's entire approach to superheroes. He wants them to be killers. Some people are okay with this, but most are not.

 

[Greens]

The Guard is correct again. There are infinite causes for worry and regret in this world. The content of superhero movies comes after them. Details that could have been in the aforesaid movies but were not come far later.

It's not like people are literally losing sleep over this Robin tidbit. This is a discussion board, so discussion pertaining to BvS will happen. I don't see the problem.

 

[Boom]

I actually haven't slept in seven days.

 

[FunkMiller]

It's not like people are literally losing sleep over this Robin tidbit. This is a discussion board, so discussion pertaining to BvS will happen. I don't see the problem.

I have a feeling that Robin's halberd is a bit of a sore point for those trying to say that Zack Snyder is not a bloodthirsty kind of guy, who likes his heroes to be a-killin'. Dismissing it is probably the best strategy.

 

[Greens]

I actually haven't slept in seven days.

Just picture Robin's fit legs in those shorts. Snyder likes his actors to be fit.

 

[FunkMiller]

I actually haven't slept in seven days.

I've been awake for three weeks.

 

[regwec]

Saint has a point: an edged implement of more than a millimetre or so thickness cannot reasonably be used offensively without fear of permanent injury. But the consequences of this lie beyond the borders of this movie, inhabiting its confused and peculiar hinterland. Bolt your doors and pay them no heed.

 

[Saint]

And if it was indeed used to maim and stab people in some capacity...well, we've established that different from the comics is bad. So I guess it's bad.

I think what we've established is that people have unique experiences with fiction and as a result have their own ideas about what is or is not important within those worlds or characters.

If one is not bothered by the depiction of Batman and Robin as lethal fighters in a film, that is quite reasonable. However, if that person feels it is unreasonable for another to be disappointed when the character is depicted in a way that is not consistent with what that other feels is important, that would be absurd.

I can't fault anyone for liking a movie where a Bruce Wayne takes on the guise of the incredible Sharkman after visiting an aquarium, but any person who would portray me as unreasonable for disliking that film would be a ridiculous person.

 

[Boy Scout]

Maybe not to be a ruthless killer, but to severely maim criminals... yes.

Right. I mean, the intention is obvious. Severely maim or even kill. Let's not complicate matters with unnecessary mental gymnastics.

 

[regwec]

...thought? I am in favour of such unnecessary gymnastics. They give us an edge over those infernal apes.

 

[Boy Scout]

There's nothing to think about. Robin used the weapon to maim or kill. Or intended to. Either way, coming up with excuses to justify its inclusion beyond the obvious reasons is, in my opinion, a waste of time. But - and I say this without condescension - that's your right.

 

[dark_b]

i think Snyder didnt think about this. he just thought about a weapon that would look cool in Robin hands. thats all. it looked cool

i do not think that Snyder is uneducated and stupid. but he does not think about when directing movies IMO.

 

[regwec]

It wasn't "included". You are seeking an opportunity to procure its "inclusion" by consensus in order to maintain your enjoyment of the faux outrage it apparently engendered. Fine, whatever. Either by complacent appreciation or by the delighted invective aimed at it, this movie seems to have entertained everyone.

 

[The Shape]

There's nothing to think about. Robin used the weapon to maim or kill. Or intended to. Either way, coming up with excuses to justify its inclusion beyond the obvious reasons is, in my opinion, a waste of time. But - and I say this without condescension - that's your right.

I love definitive statements like these, about something which none of us truly know.

Let's remember that we've seen Robin's weapon for roughly a year now and in the film itself. No one had made the connection that he supposedly used the weapon to maim and/or kill until a day or so ago. But now that a click-bait article used a page from to tech manual which featured designs for this weapon (which do not appear in the film and do not refer to it as a "halberd") to speculate as much, it has suddenly become a certainty? Now there's no doubt that Batman trained him to be a killer?

I wouldn't be saying this if there were even a sentence of information about how Robin used the weapon in the book, in the movie, or in any promotional material for the movie, but there's nothing to go on besides an unused visual and the visual that did make it into the movie. Nothing which even infers how or when the weapon was used, or what kind of a hero this Robin ever was.