BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 39

[regwec]

 

[MrsKent26]

If I'm not mistaken...didn't Batfleck do some detective work? He didn't research superman, which was an unfortunate oversight, but he did look into that stuff with the ship and the metahumans, did he not?

 

[regwec]

You are correct, but let's not trouble ourselves with trivialities such as the film's content while we are pouring invective on it.

 

[Predator jp]

I can sorta see your angle here, it’s just I can’t see how either Bruce or Alfred would see branding as being more of an extreme act than outright manslaughter/murder. If Bruce had been murdering all those years, branding is a dumb way of showing Bruce’s moral decline. It’s utterly backwards.

And it completely takes away the impact of Bruce’s last line of “there are still good men left”, followed by his intentional NON-branding of Lex when he had every opportunity to do so.

i'm pretty sure it's Snyder or writers intentions to show branding as Bruce’s moral decline. if murder was the 'thing' then they would've put a greater emphasis on that instead of branding. not to mention the Snyder's comment on the killing issue.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah there's no justification for the branding either. Branding criminals so they'll be murdered in prison is about as anti Batman behavior as you can get.

 

[MrsKent26]

The branding would have been fine if they hadn't added that "death sentence in prison" bit to bait Clark.

 

[regwec]

Which was the opinion of a news anchor.

Which are, as we know, infallible.

 

[Deserana]

Yeah it's a testament to how good Affleck was that we still want him to Batman despite the fact he was possibly one of the least faithful incarnations of the character.maybe JL will set him right or his own film but going by BvS alone, it's a very shoddy Batman.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Well, when Batman has been operating as long as he has, what else is gonna put him on the front page and make him such a major talking point again. And it has to be controversial otherwise Clark/Superman would not take issue with it.

 

[The Joker]

Yeah Affleck wasn't the problem. Most of the problems with this movie was not down to the actors. Cavill's Superman characterization is bad, too, but that's not Cavill's fault.

The only character in the movie that suffers from the actor playing him as well as the bad writing is Luthor.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yeah it's a testament to how good Affleck was that we still want him to Batman despite the fact he was possibly one of the least faithful incarnations of the character.maybe JL will set him right or his own film but going by BvS alone, it's a very shoddy Batman.

Pretty much as faithful as Keaton was and I'm sure quite a few would have liked him stay in the role longer than he did.

 

[The Joker]

Well, when Batman has been operating as long as he has, what else is gonna put him on the front page and make him such a major talking point again. And it has to be controversial otherwise Clark/Superman would not take issue with it.

What issue did he take with Batman? If he really had a problem with Batman he would have hauled him into the authorities when he first confronted him after Batman just plowed down a bunch of thugs with his Batmobile, and hospitalized some security guards, too.

But no he just gives him a pathetic verbal warning and flies off. Like he was warning some kid not to pinch candy from a store again.

 

[Predator jp]

Well, when Batman has been operating as long as he has, what else is gonna put him on the front page and make him such a major talking point again. And it has to be controversial otherwise Clark/Superman would not take issue with it.

how about "Batman finally kills!" on the front page?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

What issue did he take with Batman? If he really had a problem with Batman he would have hauled him into the authorities when he first confronted him after Batman just plowed down a bunch of thugs with his Batmobile, and hospitalized some security guards, too.

But no he just gives him a pathetic verbal warning and flies off. Like he was warning some kid not to pinch candy from a store again.

"The bat is dead, bury it" is a pathetic verbal warning? He gave him a courtesy. It's possible Clark knows that Batman had done a lot of good over the years but had now reaching a tipping point, hence the courtesy.

 

[MrsKent26]

"The bat is dead, bury it" is a pathetic verbal warning? He gave him a courtesy. It's possible Clark knows that Batman had done a lot of good over the years but had now reaching a tipping point, hence the courtesy.

It wasn't much of a courtesy. He didn't bother to have a conversation with batman, which is even worse if he did that knowing batman had done some good. He basically just said "stop it" and flew away. Neither seemed to do the research on the one they were condemning.

 

[The Joker]

"The bat is dead, bury it" is a pathetic verbal warning? He gave him a courtesy. It's possible Clark knows that Batman had done a lot of good over the years but had now reaching a tipping point, hence the courtesy.

Yeah, that's pathetic. If he wanted to give Batman a wake up call on him turning bad, then he should have said so. Drive his point home. The guy just needlessly killed a bunch of crooks, and put some security guards in hospital, too. This is not the behavior of someone you let off with a one line verbal warning, no matter what they did in the past. It's what they are now that matters.

Alfred would never stand by Bruce if he started killing criminals needlessly. Commissioner Gordon would be leading a man hunt to take him down.

So yeah Superman definitely should have said and done more than that pathetic one line warning and then fly off. But we know Snyder doesn't like to give Superman much dialogue, or a personality for that matter.

 

[Jekecy]

i'm pretty sure it's Snyder or writers intentions to show branding as Bruce’s moral decline. if murder was the 'thing' then they would've put a greater emphasis on that instead of branding. not to mention the Snyder's comment on the killing issue.

I'm not doubting the branding was to showcase his downward spiral, I'm dubious of the notion his reckless manslaughter was already standard procedure.

I could be wrong, but I took the branding as the start of his acts becoming more and more violent, culminating in him finally justifying death by proxy.

I don't disagree the execution of this (if it's indeed accurate) was sloppily hasty, but it seems like the more likely direction.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

It is impossible for me to believe that Batman could operate for 20+ years with there never being any casualties. If he had no heavy machinery in his vehicles to protect himself from bombs, bazookas, grenades, missiles he wouldn't last more than a year in the real world facing those kinds of threats. People are going to die in those types of battles.

 

[The Joker]

It is impossible for me to believe that Batman could operate for 20+ years with there never being any casualties. If he had no heavy machinery in his vehicles to protect himself from bombs, bazookas, grenades, missiles he wouldn't last more than a year in the real world facing those kinds of threats. People are going to die in those types of battles.

There's a difference between casualties, and murders. People have died when he's trying to save innocents lives, or accidentally died in a fight;

When he intentionally kills when he doesn't have to, that's where he crosses a line he would never ever cross;

 

[FlawlessVictory]

^And he needs to protect himself against people launching missiles at him which is gonna result in deaths otherwise he is dead himself.

 

[The Joker]

^And he needs to protect himself against people launching missiles at him which is gonna result in deaths otherwise he is dead himself.

If we go by that logic any time anyone attacks him with a weapon that could kill him he should just kill them.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

If we go by that logic any time anyone attacks him with a weapon that could kill him he should just kill them.

Nope, because in hand to hand combat he will always be superior and he will be able to disarm them as he did in the warehouse scene.

 

[The Joker]

Nope, because in hand to hand combat he will always be superior and he will be able to disarm them as he did in the warehouse scene.

And he can't disarm someone holding a big awkward heavy rocket launcher? Here let me give you an accessible example from fan favorite Arkham City;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFxMvon_SYo&t=6m40s

Should he have killed Penguin there just because he was firing missiles at him? The day Batman cannot take on armed thugs, whether they're armed with knives, guns, or bazookas, without killing them, is the day he can't be Batman any more.

 

[Corko]

Hahahahahah

 

[shauner111]

If I'm not mistaken...didn't Batfleck do some detective work? He didn't research superman, which was an unfortunate oversight, but he did look into that stuff with the ship and the metahumans, did he not?

He did do some, but what did he come up with? Took him a while to figure out that the White Portuguese wasn't a man, and after doing a simple search he finds out that it's a ship. He uploads a drive (that was placed in his car by Diana) related to metahumans, after she beat him to the punch in snatching that drive.

I thought the entire point of doing a Justice League, with a Batman of course, is to write Batman as the genius in the group. And it only really works if you exaggerate it a bit like how they do it in the comics. Where's he's an absolute Sherlock Holmes. That's his super-power that makes him useful in a League of gods that can fly, time travel, burn s**t with their vision, create obstacles in mid-air, breathe/communicate with life under water.

But Batfleck (in this movie at least) isn't even on the level of Bale's Batman or some of the former Batmen of the 90's. Maybe that will change, but im judging this film.