BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 39

[King23DC]

Yeah there's no justification for the branding either. Branding criminals so they'll be murdered in prison is about as anti Batman behavior as you can get.

I don't think he's branding them to intend to kill them by proxy.

He's marking them but as a repercussion in prison is maybe fellow inmates believe said branded criminal probably spilled beans to Batman's interrogation tactics. Thus other inmates killing them.

That's my theory, though like all the other dumb, half baked ideas in this terrible movie don't get fleshed out. Or retain any solid logic.

Let's get back to Affleck's performance. Which is ridiculously overrated on these fan boards merely because his character was more accurate in looks, though dramatically less in characterization compared to Nolan / Bale's Batman.

Affleck was boring, phoned in and bland. He let the suit and entirely modulated voice do all the work.

 

[shauner111]

Well, when Batman has been operating as long as he has, what else is gonna put him on the front page and make him such a major talking point again. And it has to be controversial otherwise Clark/Superman would not take issue with it.

So you think it's fine that Batman tortures a criminal knowing it's going to probably lead to his death in prison...just so it can get the attention of Superman and media!?

...gotcha!

 

[shauner111]

It is impossible for me to believe that Batman could operate for 20+ years with there never being any casualties. If he had no heavy machinery in his vehicles to protect himself from bombs, bazookas, grenades, missiles he wouldn't last more than a year in the real world facing those kinds of threats. People are going to die in those types of battles.

It has nothing to do with casualties. That happens sometimes in war. The whole point of the no killing rule, no guns, is INTENTION. This is not a real world. We have slow-motion effects everywhere, aliens, greek gods walking around earth for hundreds of years, dudes who breathe underwater, dudes who can time-travel and enter dreams.

 

[Corko]

He did do some, but what did he come up with? Took him a while to figure out that the White Portuguese wasn't a man, and after doing a simple search he finds out that it's a ship. He uploads a drive related to metahumans, after letting somebody beat him to the punch in snatching that drive. He creates a spear, and attaches a rock onto it.

I thought the entire point of doing a Justice League, with a Batman of course, is to write Batman as the genius in the group. And it only really works if you exaggerate it a bit like how they do it in the comics. Where's he's an absolute Sherlock Holmes. That's his super-power that makes him useful in a League of gods that can fly, time travel, burn s**t with their vision, create obstacles in mid-air, breathe/communicate with life under water.

But Batfleck (in this movie at least) isn't even on the level of Bale's Batman or some of the former Batmen of the 90's. Maybe that will change, but im judging this film.

To be fair they weren't many other opportunities to detect. Plus Bale's Batman didn't do much more detective work either if you go by each of his films separately. Plus he had Fox to help him. I can't remember if Bale did any in TDKR

 

[Knight-Tale]

The branding isn't a death sentence that's just speculation from a talking head.
Batman leaves a mark on someone(pretty common in any incarnation) that person is subsequently killed by other criminals for whatever reason clearly Batman is the reason that person died -_-
The jump in logic to blame Batman is almost as dumb as the people hating Superman for stopping the separatists because it caused reprisals which would have happened without his involvement anyway.

He brands child predators and rapists people who are already targets while in prison
If this Batman was a killer ala the punisher he wouldn't have left the sex trafficker for the cops he would have killed him.

 

[shauner111]

I don't think he's branding them to intend to kill them by proxy.

He's marking them but as a repercussion in prison is maybe fellow inmates believe said branded criminal probably spilled beans to Batman's interrogation tactics. Thus other inmates killing them.

That's my theory, though like all the other dumb, half baked ideas in this terrible movie don't get fleshed out. Or retain any solid logic.

Let's get back to Affleck's performance. Which is ridiculously overrated on these fan boards merely because his character was more accurate in looks, though dramatically less in characterization compared to Nolan / Bale's Batman.

Affleck was boring, phoned in and bland. He let the suit and entirely modulated voice do all the work.

I hope so because i dig that scene. I like the idea of him branding a child molester or a sex trafficer. But Bruce would hear about these rumors that it's a death sentence, and he would not have done this after the first time.

I liked Affleck. He was solid. But he wasn't anything great. I thought he was a bit monotone and one-note throughout most of it. There's only a couple of instances where he changed it up from the slow-talking, low-register voice, grumpiness. And i didn't care for him as Batman, even though the suit and fighting looked great (things out of his control). He looks so much like the character and was fine enough that i don't see why any of us wouldn't want to see him do more with a better crew. But i enjoyed the more dynamic performances of Keaton and Bale. Ben reminded me of Kilmer's performance (with bad writing just like that movie). Both were fine and had potential for more. Ben gets a bunch of chances, Val never got that.

To be fair they weren't many other opportunities to detect. Plus Bale's Batman didn't do much more detective work either if you go by each of his films separately. Plus he had Fox to help him. I can't remember if Bale did any in TDKR

There was room for him to look into Clark and Superman separately.

Bale didn't do much, but he was more effective whenever he did. If you're doing a Justice League universe, you should make the time to show how much of a genius Bruce is compared to the super-powered beings he's surrounded by.

 

[The Joker]

I don't think he's branding them to intend to kill them by proxy.

He's marking them but as a repercussion in prison is maybe fellow inmates believe said branded criminal probably spilled beans to Batman's interrogation tactics. Thus other inmates killing them.

That's my theory, though like all the other dumb, half baked ideas in this terrible movie don't get fleshed out. Or retain any solid logic.

Let's get back to Affleck's performance. Which is ridiculously overrated on these fan boards merely because his character was more accurate in looks, though dramatically less in characterization compared to Nolan / Bale's Batman.

Affleck was boring, phoned in and bland. He let the suit and entirely modulated voice do all the work.

Wow really? I thought Affleck did a good job acting wise. It was the characterization of Batman that was awful.

To be fair they weren't many other opportunities to detect. Plus Bale's Batman didn't do much more detective work either if you go by each of his films separately. Plus he had Fox to help him. I can't remember if Bale did any in TDKR

He deduced Selina Kyle's real identity from the phony fingerprints she left on his safe. He also tracked her to her apartment using the tracker he had placed in his mother's pearls.

The branding isn't a death sentence that's just speculation from a talking head.
Batman leaves a mark on someone(pretty common in any incarnation) that person is subsequently killed by other criminals for whatever reason clearly Batman is the reason that person died -_-
The jump in logic to blame Batman is almost as dumb as the people hating Superman for stopping the separatists because it caused reprisals which would have happened without his involvement anyway.

He brands child predators and rapists people who are already targets while in prison
If this Batman was a killer ala the punisher he wouldn't have left the sex trafficker for the cops he would have killed him.

Of course it's a death sentence. Child predators and rapists often make up a story about why they're in prison in order to survive. But branding them makes it known exactly why they are in there, which is making certain they get killed.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It wasn't speculation. The news anchor was direct, concise and unambiguous with his wording.

 

[Corko]

There was room for him to look into Clark and Superman separately.

Bale didn't do much, but he was more effective whenever he did. If you're doing a Justice League universe, you should make the time to show how much of a genius Bruce is compared to the super-powered beings he's surrounded by.

True. I hope we get some in future like the bullet analysis in TDK. I really like that scene. He really should have done some research on Superman but I think his mind was made up when he saw that orphan

 

[shauner111]

Wow really? I thought Affleck did a good job acting wise. It was the characterization of Batman that was awful.

Of course it's a death sentence. Child predators and rapists often make up a story about why they're in prison in order to survive. But branding them makes it known exactly why they are in there, which is making certain they get killed.

Reminded me of Kilmer. Fine job, nothing more or less. Ben looks better, and has a better suit. That's the only reason why i like him more than Val. I like both of their voices. Ben's makes sense more. But i enjoyed Val's Conroy impression more than the robotic voice.

As for the death sentence, yeah that's true. Disappointing too

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

It wasn't speculation. The news anchor was direct, concise and unambiguous with his wording.

Yeah, even when Batman doesn't kill, he kills.

Killception.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Of course it's a death sentence. Child predators and rapists often make up a story about why they're in prison in order to survive. But branding them makes it known exactly why they are in there, which is making certain they get killed.

See the thing is
Prisoners find out about that sort of thing regardless of the stories they tell (mostly because prison guards inform them of the truth)
Which is why those types of criminals often get segregated from other inmates.
They are often assaulted just like the news story in BvS described but now we have the added assumption that Batman branding someone green lights them as the lowest criminal

In fact if we go by the news story Batman has only done this to two criminals and neither are dead
They are just treated like any other criminal in real life who is a convicted rapist or sex offender.

See where we are at now
Batman going after rapists means they get assaulted in jail clearly Batman should leave them out on the street its a death sentence if they wind up in jail

 

[Tony Gunk]

He's saying that as his last wish. He thought Batman was going to kill him. He didn't do that to get Batman to stop fighting him, he did that, in hopes that after Batman killed him, he would still go after her and save her. Again, Batman doesn't know who Superman really is. For Superman to just say "mom" wouldn't make a difference to Batman. Hell, he was confused about his mother's name to begin with. If he knew, he wouldn't have been wondering why he was saying that name.

I feel like you're purposefully going out of your way to not make sense of the scene. You can just say you don't like it, but I don't understand what is so confusing about it? I'll admit, it's a little cheesy, but it worked for me.

Are you kidding? If anything I've done my best to overlook some of the really silly parts of MOS and BvS. Look at how many people had a problem with it. The very fact you're saying its a selfless act and reactionary dying wish and other fans of the film are saying its because he knows about Bruces mum, well that sums it up, even you guys who loved it can't seem to decide exactly what was going on

I found incredibly stupid to the point where it made me cringe. It was poor writing imo

 

[Tony Gunk]

Exactly. When you see people say they did this to provoke a response, if the response is supposed to be criticism and hate, then they did a bang up job.



The whole thing was stupid and nonsensical. From Superman saying Martha (nobody calls their mother by their first name unless they have a very distant relationship with them), and why he thought Batman would even believe him that some woman named Martha was in danger. It could have been a tactic to stop Batman from killing him. And the stupidest part of all, how Superman having a mother suddenly stops him from being the potential threat Batman thought he was makes no sense. Oh I know the defense excuse is "he sees him as a human and not a god now". So what? He had a mother during the destruction fest fight in MOS. Why does him having a mother suddenly mean that might not happen again?

Stupidity all around. The scene does not work on any level. I mean really is it any wonder the whole Martha thing has become a big dig joke at this movie.



Well said



Fans hated that in Keaton's movies every bit as much as in this one;

There's no double standard here. It's a bad Batman characterization and fans have always hated it.

Finally some sense at last!

 

[Travesty]

Are you kidding? If anything I've done my best to overlook some of the really silly parts of MOS and BvS. Look at how many people had a problem with it. The very fact you're saying its a selfless act and reactionary dying wish and other fans of the film are saying its because he knows about Bruces mum, well that sums it up, even you guys who loved it can't seem to decide exactly what was going on

I found incredibly stupid to the point where it made me cringe. It was poor writing imo

As far as I've seen in the past few pages of this thread, you're the only one saying that. I saw where you said something like, "some people told me he knows Bruce's mum", but that's really just anecdotal on your end. I have no clue who told you that, nor should it matter for the particular discussion I was trying to have. If I saw someone saying that, I would be challenging them on that issue too, regardless if they liked the movie or not.

 

[King23DC]

To be fair they weren't many other opportunities to detect. Plus Bale's Batman didn't do much more detective work either if you go by each of his films separately. Plus he had Fox to help him. I can't remember if Bale did any in TDKR

Bale did tons of detective work in TDK trilogy. Particularly the middle film. You know, the whole Joker plot. Figuring out his next target. "Melvin White, 1502 Randolph Apartments" ... even when he was in day light as Bruce a number of time through out the trilogy Bale's Wayne was all about detective work. Pulling finger prints from safes or shattered bullets. Cross referencing with caliber of bullets. I can go on and on. All detective work.

 

[Tony Gunk]

As far as I've seen in the past few pages of this thread, you're the only one saying that. I saw where you said something like, "some people told me he knows Bruce's mum", but that's really just anecdotal on your end. I have no clue who told you that, nor should it matter for the particular discussion I was trying to have. If I saw someone saying that, I would be challenging them on that issue too, regardless if they liked the movie or not.

Ive heard it on here, I've heard it on social media, I've heard it from friends. Even had someone on here claim he was about to say Kent after Martha and he lost his breath.

I'm not lying, point stands, it's incredibly sloppy writing. It's fine if you can just look the other way without it affecting your enjoyment of the film, but it's a big plot point and many of us can't accept that.

 

[King23DC]

I'm convinced people don't know what detective work is on film in regards to Batman.

Also the Kilmer and Affleck comparison is spot on. Not near as dynamic or well acted with the energy and talent that Keaton and Bale brought.

 

[Travesty]

Ive heard it on here, I've heard it on social media, I've heard it from friends. Even had someone on here claim he was about to say Kent after Martha and he lost his breath.

I'm not lying, point stands, it's incredibly sloppy writing. It's fine if you can just look the other way without it affecting your enjoyment of the film, but it's a big plot point and many of us can't accept that.

So let me get this straight, you're just trusting random people about that particular point? So you do think that Superman knew Bruce's Mom's name? This is how you view the movie?

I'm honestly asking, cause I can't tell if that's how you view it, or just what you've been told.

 

[Tony Gunk]

So let me get this straight, you're just trusting random people about that particular point? So you do think that Superman knew Bruce's Mom's name? This is how you view the movie?

I'm honestly asking, cause I can't tell if that's how you view it, or just what you've been told.

Trusting random people? Why does trust come into it? I've seen the film TWICE, I know what happens in that scene. I'm telling you what I've seen countless people say about this particular scene, the fact people have very different takes on it sort of emphasises my point about it being crappy writing.

I can't make it any clearer than that.

 

[Travesty]

lol, you still couldn't answer the question. It seems you never get to the actual point, you just keep beating around the bush. I don't even see a point in this. You're too busy trying to prove something by what you've heard. I don't care about those people you heard it from, I'm talking to you right now. If you have a point, then back it up with your claims, not just some vague anecdotal, "trust me, I've heard it, therefore, bad writing".

 

[Tony Gunk]

lol, you still couldn't answer the question. It seems you never get to the actual point, you just keep beating around the bush. I don't even see a point in this. You're too busy trying to prove something by what you've heard. I don't care about those people you heard it from, I'm talking to you right now. If you have a point, then back it up with your claims, not just some vague anecdotal, "trust me, I've heard it, therefore, bad writing".

I've made it crystal clear. I literally do not know what you're talking about. I think you're a bit wound up and deliberately missing my very clear point. I mean what was your question? I told you about other interpretations I've read and you prattled on about trusting people for some bizarre reason unknown to me.

How's this for clarity, if this scene worked, this debate over it wouldn't have occurred 100 times already.

 

[Travesty]

Lol

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Fan fights are funny.

 

[The Guard]

“There was a time above… a time before… there were perfect things… diamond absolutes.”

This. Like most of Terrio's dialogue, this has a double meaning.