The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - - Part 19

[Mysteryman]

Yeah, I probably should've put have Chris' Cap/Steve "die" -- in quotes -- so it didn't really seem like I was killing him off LOL! But I think it would be a good way to prep for a recast...

LOL Silvermoon! I don't think I've made it a secret how much I love Chris, but also really, really want to see BuckyCap down the road in the future.

By the way, half way through AoS from last night and ZOMG SO GOOD!!

if your halfway through AOS you haven't even got to the best part yet. .

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Honestly, I'd rather have Steve "die" in AOU, have Bucky fill in for CA3 while he looks for a way to bring him back in a less ridiculous way than Captain America: Reborn did, and have Steve come back in full force in Avengers 3.

 

[Xeno]

Honestly, I'd rather have Steve "die" in AOU, have Bucky fill in for CA3 while he looks for a way to bring him back in a less ridiculous way than Captain America: Rebirth did, and have Steve come back in full force in Avengers 3.

That's not going to happen because of the way the end of the movie set things in motion for CA3. Bucky still isn't in his right mind. He's wandering around looking crazy emo at the moment and Steve & Sam are going to look for him. The writers have said in interviews that what happens in AOU is going to occur between TWS and CA3. On top of all that, Marvel isn't going to follow up a critically-acclaimed hit film starring Chris Evans by killing his character off in another franchise and substituting the guy last seen as a mad dog killer in the title role. It ain't happening.

I would be willing to bet that Kevin Feige will announce at Comic Con that the title of the next film is Captain America and The Falcon. That's what I want it to be called, at least.

 

[Minxie]

I love the idea of BuckyCap but I'd rather it happen with Steve still being alive. Whether it's because Steve asks Bucky to take over because he needs a break, and/or he fakes his death, or because he becomes Commander Rogers in the mean time and still fights alongside Bucky... idk, something where they're both still side by side. Or maybe even something happening to Steve and in the mean time Bucky takes over while working to save Steve, like TheDarkKnight said.
Like, I love love love Bucky he's my fave but he's at his best with the other characters around to bounce off of. So much of what I love about Bucky and Steve is the way they are together.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

That's not going to happen because of the way the end of the movie set things in motion for CA3. Bucky still isn't in his right mind. He's wandering around looking crazy emo at the moment and Steve & Sam are going to look for him. The writers have said in interviews that what happens in AOU is going to occur between TWS and CA3. On top of all that, Marvel isn't going to follow up a critically-acclaimed hit film starring Chris Evans by killing his character off in another franchise and substituting the guy last seen as a mad dog killer in the title role. It ain't happening.

Well, that's why it's "I'd rather see" than "It will happen". Frankly, I don't see know why it's so far-fetched. Honestly, I'd rather they not kill Steve AT ALL, but if it's gonna happen, I'd rather it happen sooner rather than later, before Evans's contract expires, giving him at least one more hurrah before he leaves. I mean, how awkward would it be to have him "die" in his last film, have Bucky come in, then, when he's finally revived, have another actor in the role? Again, I'd rather them not do it at all, but if they did, it's best to do it in AOU.

 

[Lencho01]

*cough* don't ask where I got this from (cause I won't tell you) and please ignore any grammatical errors and/or any typos:

Spoiler

"Attention all SHIELD agents, this is Steve Rogers. You've heard a lot about me in the last few days, some of you were even ordered to hunt me down. I think it's time you know the truth. SHIELD is not what we thought it was, it's been taken over by HYDRA. Alexander Pierce is their leader. STRIKE and Insight crews are HYDRA as well. We don't know how many more, but I know they're in the building, they could be standing right next to you. They almost have what they want: absolute control. They shot Nick Fury, and it won't end there. If you launch those helicarriers today HYDRA will be able to kill anyone that stands in their way, unless we stop them. I know I'm asking a lot. The price of freedom is high, always has been, and it's a price I'm willing to pay. And if I'm the only one, then so be it. But I'm willing to bet I'm not."

Falcon's response to it was perfect.

 

[Xeno]

I think the entire idea of BuckyCap is ridiculous so much so that the way it ended was the only thing that rang remotely true. Brainwashed or not no one in their right mind would give him that title or office without thinking it would all blow up in their face. It also makes Captain America like all the other "tortured" superheroes - he's no longer unique.

Anyway, Captain America is Steve like Iron Man is Tony Stak and Batman is Bruce Wayne - others may claim the costume and the name but it feels like a poor counterfeit knockoff.

I couldn't agree more. Steve Rogers is Captain America. Period. Putting Bucky in the costume won't make him anything more than the Winter Soldier masquerading as Captain America. And let's be honest, with his history of assassinations and mass murder, Bucky doesn't deserve to wear that uniform. He is a straight-up murderer regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Herolee10]

So "The First Avenger" was a film that was pretty much a period piece, set within World War 2, while "The Winter Soldier" was modeled after a political thriller from the 70's that was set within modern times....


I wonder if the Russos will have a new gimmick/model for the third film that will further add to the uniqueness that this franchise has when it comes to how it presents its films.

 

[Silvermoon]

Russian

Thanks... I figured that's what it was (like I said), but just wanted to be sure, it was one of those tiny little things that, while not some crucial piece of information, it was just a nagging bit of curiosity

 

[spideymouse]

So "The First Avenger" was a film that was pretty much a period piece, set within World War 2, while "The Winter Soldier" was modeled after a political thriller from the 70's that was set within modern times....


I wonder if the Russos will have a new gimmick/model for the third film that will further add to the uniqueness that this franchise has when it comes to how it presents its films.

A international tale of intrigue set mostly in... I don't know... WAKANDA could be pretty interesting... t:

 

[Crimson King]

So "The First Avenger" was a film that was pretty much a period piece, set within World War 2, while "The Winter Soldier" was modeled after a political thriller from the 70's that was set within modern times....


I wonder if the Russos will have a new gimmick/model for the third film that will further add to the uniqueness that this franchise has when it comes to how it presents its films.

Considering it'll probably feature WS and maybe Strucker or Zemo, I'm guessing it'll be modeled after some of the spy thrillers, a la Bond.

 

[Suzanne78]

Bucky, post-WS, will certainly add an interesting "flavor" to the next Cap movie.

I'm definitely going with spy thriller for Cap 3, which would be easy to pull in Sharon Carter and

Spoiler

the CIA

if Cap and Falcon are resuming their hunt for Bucky.

 

[TalismanRing]

Well, that's why it's "I'd rather see" than "It will happen". Frankly, I don't see know why it's so far-fetched. Honestly, I'd rather they not kill Steve AT ALL, but if it's gonna happen, I'd rather it happen sooner rather than later, before Evans's contract expires, giving him at least one more hurrah before he leaves. I mean, how awkward would it be to have him "die" in his last film, have Bucky come in, then, when he's finally revived, have another actor in the role? Again, I'd rather them not do it at all, but if they did, it's best to do it in AOU.

The box office alone makes it extremely farfetched. They aren't going to substitute Evans with Stan as the lead off a film that's going to make $600-700m and put it in the prime May spot and potentially pitch it up against Batman & Superman. They are positioning Cap3 to take advantage of AOU's popularity. They wouldn't do this any more than they would have killed off Tony in Avengers and replaced RDJ in Iron Man 3 with Don Cheadle. It makes no business sense.

Due to contracts they''ll have to replace both eventually but not before they absolutely have to. And then it would make more sense to have the character rest through a phase and then re-cast. Who knows they might be able to sign up RDJ and Evans just to do more Avengers and not solo films since they're spaced out and far less work than solo films.

As for storyline, they wouldn't have introduced Falcon and Agent 13 when there would be no Steve for Cap 3. And whether anyone thinks Bucky as Cap is a good idea (and as I've stated I think it's ridiculously bad) he was still more than a bit mentally shaky at the end of Cap 2. And the last time anyone saw him he was murdering people at an alarming clip. Without Steve to personally (and not via some lame last breath request or note) vouch for him, forget about arrest who exactly is going to not shoot him on sight?

 

[Suzanne78]

Yeah, even though I was the one who re-brought up BuckyCap and "killing" Steve Rogers, I wasn't suggesting that they were going to do it before Captain America 3 or Avengers 3. Chris still has two more movies after AoU on his contract, so he's not going anywhere. Marvel's smart too - they're banking on Cap 3 to be their post-IM solo franchise golden goose. Giving it May 6 and the post AOU slot shows that. Also rehiring the Russos and building the connective bridges from TWS-AOU-Cap 3.

However, there's obviously going to be a huge shakeup in the MCU after A3, and if Chris doesn't re-up, either having Steve disappear or "dying" or whatever and having Bucky pick up the mantle for a movie or two might serve as a good bridge for recasting Rogers eventually… and even though the idea of BuckyCap isn't exactly popular here, it would satisfy some fans who do love BuckyCap (who aren't on these boards LOL!)

I liked it, personally. I loved Bucky suiting up as Captain America, because he was a darker take on the character without venturing into obnoxiousville territory of Ult. Steve Rogers or US Agent. It served Bucky's "redemption" arc pretty well too, in the comics. Plus, it may shake up Cap's side of the MCU and keep people guessing, because, let's face it, 6 movies with Steve as Cap might not be enough for some of us, but the GA might start getting a little restless for change.

Again… just to reiterate. LOVE CAP. LOVE STEVE. LOVE CHRIS. LOVE BUCKY AND BUCKYCAP!!

 

[Vartha]

made an Arnim/Deathlok wallpaper
full size here http://i.imgur.com/NxYmfIP.png

 

[Suzanne78]

Hee! Arnim's trapped in Windows XP

Can I just say Arnim Zola is

 

[Vartha]

Hee! Arnim's trapped in Windows XP

Can I just say Arnim Zola is

Whiskey Tango gave me the Idea lol
I was working on the Deathlok targeting screen when I posted the pic of the TDW and WS movie posters and he saw my old monitor and suggested it lol

 

[Suzanne78]

It's great, Vartha!

Is it just me, or is the only reason why WINTER SOLDIER didn't get rated R the lack of blood? I mean, I guess it could've also been the lack of boobies…

The Avengers gets rated R (almost), but WINTER SOLDIER is way more violent and yet, the same rating. I love you, MPAA board!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, even though I was the one who re-brought up BuckyCap and "killing" Steve Rogers, I wasn't suggesting that they were going to do it before Captain America 3 or Avengers 3. Chris still has two more movies after AoU on his contract, so he's not going anywhere. Marvel's smart too - they're banking on Cap 3 to be their post-IM solo franchise golden goose. Giving it May 6 and the post AOU slot shows that. Also rehiring the Russos and building the connective bridges from TWS-AOU-Cap 3.

However, there's obviously going to be a huge shakeup in the MCU after A3, and if Chris doesn't re-up, either having Steve disappear or "dying" or whatever and having Bucky pick up the mantle for a movie or two might serve as a good bridge for recasting Rogers eventually… and even though the idea of BuckyCap isn't exactly popular here, it would satisfy some fans who do love BuckyCap (who aren't on these boards LOL!)

I liked it, personally. I loved Bucky suiting up as Captain America, because he was a darker take on the character without venturing into obnoxiousville territory of Ult. Steve Rogers or US Agent. It served Bucky's "redemption" arc pretty well too, in the comics. Plus, it may shake up Cap's side of the MCU and keep people guessing, because, let's face it, 6 movies with Steve as Cap might not be enough for some of us, but the GA might start getting a little restless for change.

Again… just to reiterate. LOVE CAP. LOVE STEVE. LOVE CHRIS. LOVE BUCKY AND BUCKYCAP!!

I still think it would be a financial mistake to kill Steve off, especially if this is their "Iron Man" of phase 3. It looks to me like they're pushing Captain America to be their number 2 solo franchise behind only Iron Man, and killing Rogers off might alienate a large portion of the audience. I think Marvel before pursuing this will try to get Evans back for more movies. If Cap is to die, I don't see it prior to Avengers 3.

I think it will happen eventually, but I don't think Marvel will do it while Cap remains one of their few options for a sure fire franchise.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Being killed or not, the reality is that the actors' contracts are finite. After RDJ is finished, Iron Man and his films might be put on halt, or they might be continued with a James Bondish recast. Which means it will be the same man, just being played by a different actor while the characters in universe pretend that it's not. But with Captain America they have the unique solution of an in universe recast, where everybody acknowledges that it is a different Cap. Either way, you are losing the actor in front of the character. The financial gamble of having to change that face is an inevitability.

 

[Xeno]

It's great, Vartha!

Is it just me, or is the only reason why WINTER SOLDIER didn't get rated R the lack of blood? I mean, I guess it could've also been the lack of boobies…

The Avengers gets rated R (almost), but WINTER SOLDIER is way more violent and yet, the same rating. I love you, MPAA board!

The MPAA and its ratings are a joke. The Matrix got an R rating but there was never any graphic violence or nudity in it. Even the big fights were extremely stylized and nearly bloodless, certainly nowhere near as brutal as CATWS's showdowns. All they could have flagged was language, which was tamer than a lot of PG-13 comedies. Then around comes X2 which has a scene of two characters skewering each other repeatedly with metal claws, not to mention Ang Lee's Hulk with the dog torture scenes, and those got PG-13 ratings. There is neither rhyme nor reason to the MPAA's decisions.

I still think it would be a financial mistake to kill Steve off, especially if this is their "Iron Man" of phase 3. It looks to me like they're pushing Captain America to be their number 2 solo franchise behind only Iron Man, and killing Rogers off might alienate a large portion of the audience. I think Marvel before pursuing this will try to get Evans back for more movies. If Cap is to die, I don't see it prior to Avengers 3.

I think it will happen eventually, but I don't think Marvel will do it while Cap remains one of their few options for a sure fire franchise.

Forget alienating the general audience, killing Steve Rogers would alienate me. Again.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

It's great, Vartha!

Is it just me, or is the only reason why WINTER SOLDIER didn't get rated R the lack of blood? I mean, I guess it could've also been the lack of boobies…

The Avengers gets rated R (almost), but WINTER SOLDIER is way more violent and yet, the same rating. I love you, MPAA board!

I think that's the main reason. It sounds like the original version of the scene with Agent Coulson getting stabbed was a lot gorier than the final version. They ended up with some blood, but without it being gratuitous. The thing about the violence in TWS is that while you see people die, they tend to just drop dead and there's no lingering shot of the bodies.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Being killed or not, the reality is that the actors' contracts are finite. After RDJ is finished, Iron Man and his films might be put on halt, or they might be continued with a James Bondish recast. Which means it will be the same man, just being played by a different actor while the characters in universe pretend that it's not. But with Captain America they have the unique solution of an in universe recast, where everybody acknowledges that it is a different Cap. Either way, you are losing the actor in front of the character. The financial gamble of having to change that face is an inevitability.

Bucky's reign as Cap even in the comics was brief. The audience doesn't want Bucky Barnes Cap. They're attached to Steve Rogers. Historically, you have many examples of people being the new face of a character, and the audience being fine with the change. Post-Avengers, how many wanted Norton back? Roger Moore was accepted as Bond, as well as all future Bonds after. Audiences will give a new actor a chance. But, killing him outright risks betraying the audience's trust.

I don't think killing Captain America is a good idea.

Forget alienating the general audience, killing Steve Rogers would alienate me. Again.

I'd of course see Bucky Cap's film, but I definitely would be less excited for it. Most would.

 

[Quasimod0]

Just started a game over in the Avengers 2 section! Check it out, support the Captain!
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=28439601#post28439601

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Not sure if posted yet but here's a great interview that Frosty Weintraub of Collider did with the Russo Bros.

http://collider.com/anthony-joe-russo-captain-america-winter-soldier-interview/