The Winter Soldier Captain America 2: News and Speculation - - - - - - Part 19

[metaphysician]

The MPAA and its ratings are a joke. The Matrix got an R rating but there was never any graphic violence or nudity in it. Even the big fights were extremely stylized and nearly bloodless, certainly nowhere near as brutal as CATWS's showdowns. All they could have flagged was language, which was tamer than a lot of PG-13 comedies. Then around comes X2 which has a scene of two characters skewering each other repeatedly with metal claws, not to mention Ang Lee's Hulk with the dog torture scenes, and those got PG-13 ratings. There is neither rhyme nor reason to the MPAA's decisions.

If I had to make a guess, the difference was the gunfights. The Matrix had a lot of gun play, often involving the heroes shooting up police or other authority figures. Between the "realism" and the violence-against-authority element, I can see that being rated more harshly than more "fantastic" violence.

 

[Raiden]

The Washington Post: What Captain America: The Winter Solder gets very wrong

You know the movie has been taken very seriously when a major publication like The Washington Post argues against the merit of the movie with real-world politics.

 

[Shikamaru]

The Washington Post: What Captain America: The Winter Solder gets very wrong

You know the movie has been taken very seriously when a major publication like The Washington Post argues against the merit of the movie with real-world politics.

First of all, Fury had to kill Pierce. It was a now-or-never moment, since Pierce could have killed Natasha instantly.

Second, regarding Natasha's line at the end ("You need us"), it's social commentary on superheroes. It sums up exactly why we created superheroes. They're larger-than-life characters designed to succeed wherever and whenever the authorities fail. Going back to TDK, they're symbols of people that are incorruptible. You could argue they're somewhat anti-authority, but that's part of the appeal and the fantasy. Except that in the MCU, superheroes are real thus Natasha stating "You need us".

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Washington Post: What Captain America: The Winter Solder gets very wrong

You know the movie has been taken very seriously when a major publication like The Washington Post argues against the merit of the movie with real-world politics.

The themes of Freedom vs Security I think are VERY relevent. Fury had to kill Pierce to save Natasha. Also, the audience isn't supposed to trust Fury. We trust CAPTAIN AMERICA, who tells Fury that everything needs to stop. He didn't trust Insight in the hands of ANYONE, SHIELD or Hydra.

The movie basically uses Hydra to symbollically show how corrupted SHIELD has become over time. Over time, their interests became those of the people the once called enemies. It was to show how lines have been blurred. If not for Captain America telling people what Hydra was planning, Hydra would have won. Period. SHIELD agents only began to resist when Captain America told them the truth about what they were doing.

If people are going to make political BS articles, they should pay attention to the friggin movie.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Xeno]

The Washington Post: What Captain America: The Winter Solder gets very wrong

You know the movie has been taken very seriously when a major publication like The Washington Post argues against the merit of the movie with real-world politics.

In that writer's haste to shred the movie she completely misinterpreted many plot point to arrive at wrong conclusions. She said that the point of the film was that Captain America (or Nick Fury) still wanted to be able to do what HYDRA planned, which was to decide who lived or died. That is the exact opposite of why Captain America brought down SHIELD. He took down Project Insight and HYDRA precisely because he did not want anyone having that sort of power or making life-and-death decisions about others without due process. It's like the writer watched the film but didn't really understand what was going on. Some of the comments down the page take her to task for her misrepresentations. That was pretty shoddy journalism even for a pop culture writer.

 

[Xeno]

Empire has a great podcast up with an interview of the Russo Brothers. The hosts then go on to discuss the film at length.

When the conversation came around to Steve's visit with Peggy, the Russos agreed that Steve had been to see her many times and that he went to the Smithsonian exhibit often, too. Steve was going to the museum not just to see what was left of his own history, he was going there to see the film of Peggy, too.

 

[Raiden]

In that writer's haste to shred the movie she completely misinterpreted many plot point to arrive at wrong conclusions. She said that the point of the film was that Captain America (or Nick Fury) still wanted to be able to do what HYDRA planned, which was to decide who lived or died. That is the exact opposite of why Captain America brought down SHIELD. He took down Project Insight and HYDRA precisely because he did not want anyone having that sort of power or making life-and-death decisions about others without due process. It's like the writer watched the film but didn't really understand what was going on. Some of the comments down the page take her to task for her misrepresentations. That was pretty shoddy journalism even for a pop culture writer.

I agree, and I don't think the writer even really did her homework before writing this article. However, I'm also surprised to see this movie being dissected like this as if it were a documentary, and it seems like its real-real implications in the movie hit a nerve, that's why articles like this surfaced.

 

[marcvader]

The Washington Post: What Captain America: The Winter Solder gets very wrong

You know the movie has been taken very seriously when a major publication like The Washington Post argues against the merit of the movie with real-world politics.

I must be a simpleton or something but when i go see a superhero movie the last thing I'm looking for is allegories or deeper meanings. I want pure escapism first and foremost. Sheesh, my day to day dealings with real life are enough for me to worry about.

 

[PunyGod]

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[marcvader]

You may not have saw it but the real-world premise of TWS is quite obvious and the writers have said it is based on what is happening in the US right now.

It was meant to inspire articles like this even though they got it wrong.

Obviously. I'm not blind or a moron. The movie is pure entertainment first and foremost. And I'm sorry but I doubt the Russo's or the writers meant for this movie to be a dissertation or treatise on the US current state. It's a superhero movie in a fictional universe with some similarities to today's world as its backdrop. This isn't An Inconvenient Truth or Bowling for Columbine.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Kane52630]

I'm gonna try to see it again today after I watch The Raid 2.

 

[Suzanne78]

Empire has a great podcast up with an interview of the Russo Brothers. The hosts then go on to discuss the film at length.

When the conversation came around to Steve's visit with Peggy, the Russos agreed that Steve had been to see her many times and that he went to the Smithsonian exhibit often, too. Steve was going to the museum not just to see what was left of his own history, he was going there to see the film of Peggy, too.

Jesus… So he goes there to remember Bucky, but to see Peggy the way he remembered her, to see her when she was happy and healthy… and then he visits her when she's all…

'Scuse me, folks. Having a moment. *sniff*

I'm a wreck over my precious Peggy Carter. Just… heartbreaking.

 

[yllum]

Jesus… So he goes there to remember Bucky, but to see Peggy the way he remembered her, to see her when she was happy and healthy… and then he visits her when she's all…

'Scuse me, folks. Having a moment. *sniff*

I'm a wreck over my precious Peggy Carter. Just… heartbreaking.

I almost tear up in that scene too ..omg

 

[Dark Raven]

No chance of seeing this movie at my local theatre anymore. They've already pulled it after only a couple of weeks or so.

 

[Suzanne78]

I almost tear up in that scene too ..omg

Ripped my heart out, that did.

And all the stuff with Bucky and Steve and… *dies*

 

[yllum]

Love the acting from chris evans in that scene..especially after peggy said " steve, you are alive"
" cant leave my best girl, not when she owned me a dace "

I seriously think I am not the only in my threate that nearly tear up..especially if u are a cap fan

 

[Xeno]

Jesus… So he goes there to remember Bucky, but to see Peggy the way he remembered her, to see her when she was happy and healthy… and then he visits her when she's all…

'Scuse me, folks. Having a moment. *sniff*

I'm a wreck over my precious Peggy Carter. Just… heartbreaking.

The way I interpret it, Steve goes to the Smithsonian often to see photos and videos of everyone he lost but Peggy most of all. Didn't he have the compass with Peggy's photo still, despite it going down in the Valkyrie with him? Steve is still so deeply in love with Peggy that it hurt to see it.

The Russos didn't watch the Steve Rogers/Man Out Of Time deleted scenes from TA until they were about to film TWS. The podcast hosts mistakenly said that Peggy's file showed that she was deceased when in fact it said "RETIRED" and listed her phone number. The Russos said that it was important that Steve have that one person who had survived as a link to his past, and making it Peggy emphasized everything that he had lost. That was absolutely the right decision from a character/narrative viewpoint, heartbreaking as it was to see.

 

[Raiden]

I'm glad to see the scene between Steve and Peggy, and she's a living proof of huge sacrifice he made in TFA in order to save his country. But I hope it will not prevent Steve from getting a love interest in Cap 3 though; he can continue to love Peggy, but I don't want it to make him swear off love forever.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Peter Travers of Rolling Stone magazine is still raving about TWS. He used his At the Movies section to again talk about the movie, which is rare since he usually uses it talk about a movie that's in its opening week.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/...-sequel-makes-for-a-stellar-thriller-20140411

 

[Suzanne78]

The way I interpret it, Steve goes to the Smithsonian often to see photos and videos of everyone he lost but Peggy most of all. Didn't he have the compass with Peggy's photo still, despite it going down in the Valkyrie with him? Steve is still so deeply in love with Peggy that it hurt to see it.

The Russos didn't watch the Steve Rogers/Man Out Of Time deleted scenes from TA until they were about to film TWS. The podcast hosts mistakenly said that Peggy's file showed that she was deceased when in fact it said "RETIRED" and listed her phone number. The Russos said that it was important that Steve have that one person who had survived as a link to his past, and making it Peggy emphasized everything that he had lost. That was absolutely the right decision from a character/narrative viewpoint, heartbreaking as it was to see.

I just… CAN'T with that scene. I've watched it several times now, and every time I CRY FREAKIN' HARDER!!

He did have the compass with Peggy's pic (pointing NORTH!! OMG MY HEART!) and I can't even imagine his thoughts the first time he visited Peggy in her nursing home… like, did he know about her condition? Did he figure it out before anyone could tell him? Did he start going to the museum AFTER he found out about Peggy just so he could keep watching her when she was younger and healthier and happier…

Not to mention commiserating over the man he lost in battle and the Commandos themselves. And, like I've said, over again, Peggy's condition only reinforces the "man out of time" theme with Steve himself. He constantly has to witness Peggy circle in and out of the present and past, not knowing where or when she is, but he knows and he subjects himself to it every time….

Damn, but the Russos did me dirty by sticking to canon. I hate them! (not really… but my breaking heart does )

 

[Dr. Evil]

It's likely that all of the Howling Commandos are deceased, but only two of them have been confirmed dead in present day via Avengers deleted scene.

They could though return for the Agent Carter TV Series.

 

[yllum]

I just… CAN'T with that scene. I've watched it several times now, and every time I CRY FREAKIN' HARDER!!

He did have the compass with Peggy's pic (pointing NORTH!! OMG MY HEART!) and I can't even imagine his thoughts the first time he visited Peggy in her nursing home… like, did he know about her condition? Did he figure it out before anyone could tell him? Did he start going to the museum AFTER he found out about Peggy just so he could keep watching her when she was younger and healthier and happier…

Not to mention commiserating over the man he lost in battle and the Commandos themselves. And, like I've said, over again, Peggy's condition only reinforces the "man out of time" theme with Steve himself. He constantly has to witness Peggy circle in and out of the present and past, not knowing where or when she is, but he knows and he subjects himself to it every time….

Damn, but the Russos did me dirty by sticking to canon. I hate them! (not really… but my breaking heart does )

ok really nitpicking here..but i would love to see steve visit peggy for the first time! that should be in the movie!!!! i wanna see the reaction from both of them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So when we see Steve visit Peggy in the movie, that wasn't the first time they saw each other in present day?