Cinematic Civil War:MCU vs DCCU - - - - - - - - Part 17

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I still like The Wolverine. One of the better x-men movies for me, but I'm glad Mangold seemingly knocked it out of the park with this one (I'm a fan of his other movies too).

Agreed, I find The Wolverine really under rated on here, r rated version was even better.

 

[Link]

I think Doctor Strange had great potential. Insane visuals, a charismatic lead, likeable cast. It just kind of got watered down with the formulaic script, and bad humor. It's not a bad film by any meter, but nothing super memorable either. I did completely fall in love with that astral journey, and could keep watching that forever.

 

[The Endless]

Logan looks and sounds awesome.

I like what Fox are doing with the spin offs. They have smaller budgets and more freedom for the film makers.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I'm planning on seeing Logan next week but more for the positive reviews than anything. I could have waited for Netflix if it got mediocre reviews. I've stated before that the X-Men universe is too Wolverine saturated.

I agree, but it's Jackman's last time. He deserves a great send off.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Wolverine was one of the worst X-men movies for me. Bottom tier for sure. Boring and the third act is atrocious.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think Doctor Strange had great potential. Insane visuals, a charismatic lead, likeable cast. It just kind of got watered down with the formulaic script, and bad humor. It's not a bad film by any meter, but nothing super memorable either. I did completely fall in love with that astral journey, and could keep watching that forever.

Yeah I agree, they had the right ideas for it but didn't push them far enough. They should have strayed from the formula a bit more for me.

 

[Link]

Wolverine was one of the worst X-men movies for me. Bottom tier for sure. Boring and the third act is atrocious.

Worse than Origins?

 

[Ivan Drago]

Wolverine was one of the worst X-men movies for me. Bottom tier for sure. Boring and the third act is atrocious.

The wolverine was my favorite cbm of 2013. It was super refreshing because most of the blockbusters in 2013 were just about explosions, spectacle, and another drawn out "save the world" scenario.

Even if the third act goes off the rails a bit, I loved the small scale and the quiet character moments, which Mangold has always excelled at in his movies.

 

[Flint Marko]

marvel is very hit or miss as well.

The difference being that Marvel's misses are pretty much always successful by any measurable standard. Not so much for the competition, which is a fairly important distinction.

 

[Erzengel]

The wolverine was my favorite cbm of 2013. It was super refreshing because most of the blockbusters in 2013 were just about explosions, spectacle, and another drawn out "save the world" scenario.

Even if the third act goes off the rails a bit, I loved the small scale and the quiet character moments, which Mangold has always excelled at in his movies.

Great: X2, DOFP
Good: X-1, FC, Deadpool
Average: The Wolverine, Apocalypse
Poor: X:TLS
Bad: Origins

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The wolverine was my favorite cbm of 2013. It was super refreshing because most of the blockbusters in 2013 were just about explosions, spectacle, and another drawn out "save the world" scenario.

Even if the third act goes off the rails a bit, I loved the small scale and the quiet character moments, which Mangold has always excelled at in his movies.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

The wolverine was my favorite cbm of 2013. It was super refreshing because most of the blockbusters in 2013 were just about explosions, spectacle, and another drawn out "save the world" scenario.

Even if the third act goes off the rails a bit, I loved the small scale and the quiet character moments, which Mangold has always excelled at in his movies.

Ugh 2013 was miserable. Man of Steel was actually my favorite. Marvel tripped over their own ****. Wolverine wasn't too bad though.

 

[Flint Marko]

The Iron Man 3 vitriol still surprises me. To me it's clearly the best superhero film of 2013 and it isn't even a competition.

 

[Link]

The difference being that Marvel's misses are pretty much always successful by any measurable standard. Not so much for the competition, which is a fairly important distinction.

I completely agree. Marvel's lows are high above other studios lows, but other studios have also exceeded their best, so for me they are easily the most reliable one, if not the most exciting.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Great: X2, DOFP
Good: X-1, FC, Deadpool
Average: The Wolverine, Apocalypse
Poor: X:TLS
Bad: Origins

My rankings

I'm the Best There is, Bub Tier:

X-Men: Days of Future Past
Deadpool

Gods Among Insects Tier:

X2: X-Men United
X-Men: First Class
The wolverine

Juggernaut sized quality gap

Mr. Laurio, Never Trust a Beautiful Woman Tier:

X-Men 3
X-men
X-Men Apocalypse

fall from the Statue of Liberty sized gap

You're a Dick Tier:

X-Men Origins: Wolverine

 

[Consona]

Dr Strange has such a huge potential that if I was thinking more about that I'd probably even start to hate that film for its lukewarm approach. t:

Like Kaecilius, he could have been the most interesting villain in a long time. His premise was sooo awesome I was drooling and my breathe deepened dramatically when he was speaking about time and death and... and they did not do anything with that, literally anything, I was so effing mad!

I was yearning so much for villlain like this, more metaphysical and philosophical and all that awesome jam, he was even right that time is our greatest enemy and all those things, I loved it so much, I was like "Yeah, he has the point, let him speak, let's build upon that, go away Strange, Kaecilius is much more interesting than you! Yeah!" I was so euphoric. And that ended in like a few seconds when they made just a punching bag out of a promising villain again and they did not improve from that until the end of the movie. To hell with you, Dr Strange writers and directors and producers and... I was so mad.

 

[BoredGuy]

The Iron Man 3 vitriol still surprises me. To me it's clearly the best superhero film of 2013 and it isn't even a competition.

I agree but yeah, I guess too many couldn't get past the twist

And on the Wolverine, I agree the Director's Cut was pretty solid
but Act 3 wasn't a "bit" of a stumble, it was a giant turd
If it just ended with Logan fighting the town full of ninjas, or idk, a real Silver Samurai, it would've been so much better

 

[TeeKay]

The Iron Man 3 vitriol still surprises me. To me it's clearly the best superhero film of 2013 and it isn't even a competition.

Your sig.

I agree but yeah, I guess too many couldn't get past the twist

And on the Wolverine, I agree the Director's Cut was pretty solid
but Act 3 wasn't a "bit" of a stumble, it was a giant turd
If it just ended with Logan fighting the town full of ninjas, or idk, a real Silver Samurai, it would've been so much better

I agree. Him fighting that giant mech whatever was stupid.

 

[BestGirl]

The character work is second to none. There isn't a relationship in the X-Men movies so far to rival Charles and Erik in the film. Also it is actually the only X-Men flick to explore that relationship and not feel like a retread. There also isn't a better scene then the confrontation with Shaw imo.

You just nailed what I love about First Class. I really came to love Erik, Charles, and Raven in that film and was surprisingly sad to see their friendship fall apart. Most of the X-Men movies have left me cold in that regard. I can forgive weak action scenes and SFX if I care enough about the characters.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The Iron Man 3 vitriol still surprises me. To me it's clearly the best superhero film of 2013 and it isn't even a competition.

Iron man 3 is fine. I just wasn't a fan of the humor, got a bit tiresome after a while.

Levity and humor is important in a superhero movie, but Iron man 3 was a bit too much at points.

Something akin to the first Iron Man movie would have been nice.

 

[InCali]

Yeah, DOFP was so awful and brainless it was the highest reviewed movie of the franchise (until Logan) and the most successful financially.

You do realise you are in a minority with your opinion on DOFP don't you? For me Marvel hasn't made anything as good as it.

I also liked DoFP, but don't think it's better than anything Marvel has put out. I'm glad to see Logan getting such positive reviews. Wolverine is clearly the Fox ace in the hole. What I worry (and have for quite some time) about is when Jackman leaves, what then? Deadpool? I hope the sequel is as good as the first one. I was also worried about when Singer left, but then he went and made Apocalypse, which, while not horrible, wasn't as good as his earlier efforts.

 

[Flint Marko]

I completely agree. Marvel's lows are high above other studios lows, but other studios have also exceeded their best, so for me they are easily the most reliable one, if not the most exciting.

That's totally fair. If Marvel movies don't do much for you, I completely understand and respect that. But hearing certain people talk about some of their films like they are the bottom of the pile, most recently here where someone called Age of Ultron a "travesty"? That I do not understand, but all the power to ya.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I actually do think Marvel's best (IM1, TWS, GOTG, CW) is up there with the best of other studios. The one exception is TDK which stands on a level above every other comic book film ever made.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I actually do think Marvel's best (IM1, TWS, GOTG, CW) is up there with the best of other studios. The one exception is TDK which stands on a level above every other comic book film ever made.

IM1, TWS, and CW specifically hold each other up though. Civil War wouldn't be near as good without the other two (as well as about 4-5 other MCU films).

TDK sorta stands above even without BB.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

IM1, TWS, and CW specifically hold each other up though. Civil War wouldn't be near as good without the other two (as well as about 4-5 other MCU films).

TDK sorta stands above even without BB.

I actually do think TDK does depend at least in part on BB. Specifically, that is where the bulk of the development for the Bruce/Rachel relationship took place which is so key to Bruce's motivations in TDK.

It doesn't diminish it as a film, and I feel the same way for some other classic sequels as well. For example, The Godfather II is totally dependent on the first. So is The Empire Strikes Back.