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If Bruce did indeed survive because the auto-pilot was fixed, then what we were shown in the film was hugely misleading. Literally a couple of seconds before the bomb went off we saw Batman still strapped in the Bat... Seriously, how could he have ejected in time!? If he did escape by ejecting, then after flying off in the Bat from the street, they (the filmmakers) shouldn't have shown him in the cockpit again (the implication being that he ejected before it left the city). Another sloppy error, IMO.
 
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Jesus....

There's about 8 seconds between the last shot of Batman and the explosion.

Plenty of time for a mega eject to get the **** out of there. Plus, it wouldn't be a normal eject.
 
Jesus....

There's about 8 seconds between the last shot of Batman and the explosion.

Plenty of time for a mega eject to get the **** out of there. Plus, it wouldn't be a normal eject.

Eight seconds to get out of a blast radiance which would have destroyed Gotham in its entirety? Okay... :dry:
 
And if everyone wants to have the conspiracy, out there, theory that Bruce is actually dead (even though we SEE him alive) -- why can't we give thought to this theory?

Nolan cheated time. The last shot of Batman in the cock pit was from well before the clock reached 5 seconds...

This is just as believable as Alfred hallucinating.... (if not more)

I mean, c'mon man -- he's BATMAN. He always escapes the impossible without there seeming to be a chance of survival or enough time. It's what he does.

OR the entire cockpit of the Bat ejects, similar to the Batpod ejecting from the Tumbler and Batman was already well away from the blast when we see him that blast in that last shot we see him.

-R
 
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Eight seconds to get out of a blast radiance which would have destroyed Gotham in its entirety? Okay... :dry:

I believe it was a 6 mile blast radius. So that's 3 miles he would have to travel. In a Batman ejector seat in a Batman movie...

C'mon now. That seat would be rocket propelled and it probably shot it up about 3 miles.

Oh, yeah...and its a movie.
 
I really can't say more than I have on this subject. If you can't get it, you can't get it.

Finding out who Batman is wouldn't change much. Finding out its Gotham's Prince..finding out its Bruce Wayne..would have caused an uprising. Why? If you have to ask..

You can't? Guess you're too smart for me.
 
What Bruce could have done was fly the plane UP. Rising with The Bat.

Airplanes tend to travel what, 7-10 miles high?

If he bailed out 4 miles up, and The Bat kept going...he would have cleared the blast radius if it reached ten miles high.

Wondering if detonating that bomb over the ocean did anything to the water...
 
I could, but you would ignore it and and say how it still doesn't make sense.
 
I believe it was a 6 mile blast radius. So that's 3 miles he would have to travel. In a Batman ejector seat in a Batman movie...

C'mon now. That seat would be rocket propelled and it probably shot it up about 3 miles.

Oh, yeah...and its a movie.

Yeah, it's a movie, and one which has prided itself on realism. I accept your theory, but I still think it was a sloppy move to even show him in the cockpit so soon before the explosion...
 
How would Bane telling Gotham that Batman is Bruce Wayne ruin his plan?

Bane's plan revolved around revealing the nature of the Dent Act holding the criminals in prison, and turning the criminals against the upper classes.

He was rallying criminals to his cause, not everyday citizens.

Because we see that even though many of the people of Gotham believe that Batman is a murderer (Foley, Daggett) -- there are many (symbolized by Blake, the older cop "you're in for a show...", Gordon, the young orphan) who still believe in the Batman. They believe that he was a force of good.

If Bane exposed that the so called, aloof, greedy, apathetic, rich ruling class (Bruce Wayne as the wealthiest in Gotham) and Batman were one and the same -- it would raise serious doubts as to whether the rich were truly evil. Bruce Wayne, the richest and most powerful is Batman? Batman a guy who many still quietly regarded as a hero? This would almost become a rallying point for the people of Gotham to go against Bane...

There is a chance that it could have helped Bane, as those who hate Batman would then hate Wayne more -- but it could have also terribly, terribly backfired and lead to Gothamites seeing that there were rich and powerful people doing good and that there were those who thought that Gotham was worth saving.

-R
 
It doesnt matter what happens next. He's inspired Blake to take up the mantle and fight for justice and he's been able to remove the thorn in his side. Trilogy arc complete. Way better filmmaking than if they'd actually shown Blake as batman.


And people really needed the OP to get th movie? This was all apparent on the first view if you were paying attention.
 
And a two½ hour movie doesnt actually take place during only two½ hours either... so theres that...
 
Yeah, it's a movie, and one which has prided itself on realism. I accept your theory, but I still think it was a sloppy move to even show him in the cockpit so soon before the explosion...

Grounded in reality..like everything is semi-plausible. Just like pressing an eject button within 8 seconds and surviving.
 
James smith: it's a film. They played around with what you expected to happen, when probably batman feels that feeling of relief right before he ejects, and the explosion happens in movie time - who knows how much time has ACTUALLY elapsed since that shot of batman. Is he even in the cockpit when that POV shot from inside is shown? They showed it to us in a way that got us viscerally, but certainly left room for that to work.
 
If Bruce did indeed survive because the auto-pilot was fixed, then what we were shown in the film was hugely misleading. Literally a couple of seconds before the bomb went off we saw Batman still strapped in the Bat... Seriously, how could he have ejected in time!? If he did escape by ejecting, then after flying off in the Bat from the street, they (the filmmakers) shouldn't have shown him in the cockpit again (the implication being that he ejected before it left the city). Another sloppy error, IMO.
It's done for dramatic purposes. No one would believe he died if Nolan didn't show that shot. He had to do it to convince the audience before revealing Bruce is alive.
 
Batman ejected in the smoke when the orphans said "It's Batman!" :D
 
Because we see that even though many of the people of Gotham believe that Batman is a murderer (Foley, Daggett) -- there are many (symbolized by Blake, the older cop "you're in for a show...", Gordon, the young orphan) who still believe in the Batman. They believe that he was a force of good.

Kay. That's two people who believe Batman is a murderer and two people who believe he's a force of good. Three, counting Gordon. In a city of 12 million (30 million in TDK) I'm gonna be honest...for me, that hardly represents all of Gotham, even if its supposed to be a presentation of both sides of the issue.

If Bane exposed that the so called, aloof, greedy, apathetic, rich ruling class (Bruce Wayne as the wealthiest in Gotham) and Batman were one and the same -- it would raise serious doubts as to whether the rich were truly evil. Bruce Wayne, the richest and most powerful is Batman? Batman a guy who many still quietly regarded as a hero? This would almost become a rallying point for the people of Gotham to go against Bane...

I think you're missing the point of this part of the movie. Don't listen to Bane's rhetoric...look at what's actually happening.

Bane's whole thing about the wealthy is just a smokescreen. Its just something Bane says to justify topping to existing power structure in Gotham.

I don't think most of the people of Gotham actually think the rich are evil just because Bane wants to punish them.

The criminals Bane breaks out and the existing criminals of Gotham want what the wealthy and priviledged have. The criminals don't care if the wealthy are "evil" or not, they just get broken out of prison and they see their opportunity to have what the wealthy have if they join Bane, and some of them do, and they take what the wealthy had.

Bane sets up the court that murders the wealthy and the elite, and the criminals go along with it because they want the stuff and money Bane promised them.

Its a thin motivation at best, and has nothing to do with the rich actually being evil, or with the general public believing they are evil. Its just an excuse for criminals and bad people to loot Gotham during Bane's martial law.

There is a chance that it could have helped Bane, as those who hate Batman would then hate Wayne more -- but it could have also terribly, terribly backfired and lead to Gothamites seeing that there were rich and powerful people doing good and that there were those who thought that Gotham was worth saving.

Maybe. But this is your conjecture. Nothing in the film shows this, that they would rise up on their own against a man who is evil just because he turns out to be a rich guy who was Batman...when they didn't rise up against that man who was evil to begin with.

It would have been nice to see, actually.

Although, Bane still has a nuclear weapon, though, doesn't he? I hardly think he'd be worried about the people rising up when he could just blow Gotham sky high.
 
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Bane wanted to give the people some (fake) hope. Not a reason to fight back.
 
I've only seen this thing once so far, but aren't the last few shots of Batman close ups of his face? So theoretically he might have already ejected from The Bat when we're looking at him?

I have to be honest, I'm just so shocked that a film maker like Nolan would use some sleight of hand in one of his movies. :o
 
I have to be honest, I'm just so shocked that a film maker like Nolan would use some sleight of hand in one of his movies. :o
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Maybe. But this is your conjecture. Nothing in the film shows this, that they would rise up on their own against a man who is evil just because he turns out to be a rich guy who was Batman...when they didn't rise up against that man who was evil to begin with.

It would have been nice to see, actually.

Although, Bane still has a nuclear weapon, though, doesn't he? I hardly think he'd be worried about the people rising up when he could just blow Gotham sky high.
Yeah. Moreover, most people in Gotham still hate Batman for being a vigilante, for destroying tons of public property. They don't know he fought Ra's Al Ghul, they don't know he was the one who defeated the Joker. Look the scene in TDK where Bruce wants to reveal he is Batman but Harvey takes his place. People hate Batman! They want him arrested. This gets worse by the end of TDK. Moreover, people hate Bruce Wayne because he's an ******* every time he's on public eyes. And, he could've said...Batman is the one who destroyed Harvey's Dent's life! He's the one who has ruined the hopes for a better Gotham.

Bane could've warped the truth, said that he's the one who defeated the outlaw. Who finally brought piece to Gotham by exposing all the lies, including his identity. This would've made the movie SO MUCH better.

It still makes no sense why he wouldn't tell.
 
Bane wanted to give the people some (fake) hope. Not a reason to fight back.
LOL. A nice way to give hope is exploding the city with a bomb, huh?:whatever::whatever: Give me a break.:doh::doh:

Bane doesn't give a **** about the people. He wants to destroy the city and bring it to ashes!
 
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ya, thanks for posting this, i LOVED this scene! so emotional, and brings everything full circle!

in that bag that Bruce left Blake, it's probably the same torch/light Bruce used when he first entered the cave in Begins right? looks basically identical and all!


And i love the tone. What i took away from the whole Blake discovering the Batcave was that it wasn't just him going to take on the cowl, but him discovering/uncovering a Legend, and wanting to know who the Batman was, and where he "hung out".

epic.
 

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