Duncan Jones' Warcraft - Part 2

[NotSoLongAgo]

The phantom menace effect returns

 

[Mask&Cape]

I know nothing about the games except it is called Warcraft.

Is the film an adaptation of one of the games or is an original story using environments and elements of the games?

Are the characters from the games?

 

[Inhuman117]

I know nothing about the games except it is called Warcraft.

Is the film an adaptation of one of the games or is an original story using environments and elements of the games?

Are the characters from the games?

its all from The Games

 

[Mask&Cape]

its all from The Games

Thanks.

As to the reviews, I don't know why so many people put stock in the opinions of critics. I don't even understand why it is considered a career.

 

[bholliday]

of Course it got Bad Reviews because you know the Critics just Love MCU Marvel Movies because its Fun , Independense Day Resurgense ,Suicide Squad getting the SAme ****wave but will be Loved from The Fans

So EVERY summer blockbuster that underperforms has an agenda against it?

Ok pal.

 

[Victarion]

It could also just be a bad movie. I'm not a fan of Marvel all that much, but they are giving the audience something they've never experienced before - an interconnected universe of movies. Some like IM3 being very well written.

This movie looks to be giving us orcs (seen it - Rings Trilogy), lush CGI environments (seen it - Avatar), and a conflict that exists in shades of gray (being done now - Game of Thrones) without trying anything really interesting.

 

[Mask&Cape]

So EVERY summer blockbuster that underperforms has an agenda against it?

Ok pal.

No, there is no conspiracy and I don't think that that is what InHuman117 is saying.

Trusting in the opinions of critics is foolish and a person should just judge a piece of art, literature or film for themselves.

 

[Mask&Cape]

It could also just be a bad movie. I'm not a fan of Marvel all that much, but they are giving the audience something they've never experienced before - an interconnected universe of movies. Some like IM3 being very well written.

This movie looks to be giving us orcs (seen it - Rings Trilogy), lush CGI environments (seen it - Avatar), and a conflict that exists in shades of gray (being done now - Game of Thrones) without trying anything really interesting.

It might be but it might also be awesome.

Just because they have similar creatures and use "lush" landscapes does not mean it is the same thing. Nor does the concept of a not straightforward conflict.

Game of Thrones is not the first nor did Tolkien invent orcs. And just because Cameron made such environments does not mean others shouldn't.

 

[redhawk23]

No, there is no conspiracy and I don't think that that is what InHuman117 is saying.

Trusting in the opinions of critics is foolish and a person should just judge a piece of art, literature or film for themselves.

Except for when they happen to like the thing you like right? Then suddenly it's proof that great things are great.the attitudes towards critics on this forum always makes me laugh.

The main problem is that a lot of people honestly don't know what film criticism is or how to read reviews. Aggregators like rotten tomatoes don't help. At their best film criticism help to put movies in context and find a way to discuss their content. That kotakus review is a prime example. The writer firmly States where hes coming from, his history with the material and given that gives his opinion on a number of factors. No o e is obligated to agree or disagree. The thing is, many reviews have a whole body of work with many reviews. The trick is to find reviews you an trust. That doesn't even necessarily mean the reviewer has to have the same taste in movies that you do but rather they come at their work with an identifiable point of view. You can know how your own compares. One of my favorite film critics is Brian Collins who runs horror movie a day. He brings to his reviews a vast knowledge of the genre so is able to make a lot of interesting comparisons to illuminate his points. I've come to be familiar with his tastes. He likes certain tropes and subgenres more than me so O know if he's excited about certain elements than Iight not be but regardless he brings up points and interpretations that can help inform my own experience with theaterial. That's what film criticism is.

 

[Light]

Don't listein to the critics guys, I loved this movie and felt it was amazing. The effect for the orcs was amazing probably one of the best I have ever seen. Life was breathed into the orcs and Lothar was a badass. I don't know anything about Warcraft the game, this is probably the closet thing to the Lord of the rings trilogy that has been realeased in years. Of course there is the odd shady acting hear and there but overall an enjoyable movie that leaves you loving the Orcs. The wolf chieftain stole this movie, this film is CGI used right. 8/10.

 

[redhawk23]

Orcs as actual talking characters isn't something we ve ever really gotten on screen and in general there aren't really that many fantasy films on this scale.

 

[OutOfBoose]

35 hours to go.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Except for when they happen to like the thing you like right? Then suddenly it's proof that great things are great.the attitudes towards critics on this forum always makes me laugh.

I'm not certain what you mean.

Are you saying that people dismiss the critics except when the critics opinion matches their own?

If that is what you mean then you are wrong in this case. In regards to me, I mean.

I do not value the opinion of any "professional" critic, be it positive or negative, nor do I read or listen to them. I form my opinions with what I see and hear myself.

I like to discuss films with other movie goers but see no value in the idea of the "critic".

The main problem is that a lot of people honestly don't know what film criticism is or how to read reviews. Aggregators like rotten tomatoes don't help. At their best film criticism help to put movies in context and find a way to discuss their content. That kotakus review is a prime example. The writer firmly States where hes coming from, his history with the material and given that gives his opinion on a number of factors. No o e is obligated to agree or disagree. The thing is, many reviews have a whole body of work with many reviews. The trick is to find reviews you an trust. That doesn't even necessarily mean the reviewer has to have the same taste in movies that you do but rather they come at their work with an identifiable point of view. You can know how your own compares. One of my favorite film critics is Brian Collins who runs horror movie a day. He brings to his reviews a vast knowledge of the genre so is able to make a lot of interesting comparisons to illuminate his points. I've come to be familiar with his tastes. He likes certain tropes and subgenres more than me so O know if he's excited about certain elements than Iight not be but regardless he brings up points and interpretations that can help inform my own experience with theaterial. That's what film criticism is.

People don't know how to to read reviews?

Now that makes me laugh. There is nothing complex about movie reviews, no hidden meaning or a magical way to read them.t:

Go see the movie. Form your own opinion.

 

[Mask&Cape]

Don't listein to the critics guys, I loved this movie and felt it was amazing. The effect for the orcs was amazing probably one of the best I have ever seen. Life was breathed into the orcs and Lothar was a badass. I don't know anything about Warcraft the game, this is probably the closet thing to the Lord of the rings trilogy that has been realeased in years. Of course there is the odd shady acting hear and there but overall an enjoyable movie that leaves you loving the Orcs. The wolf chieftain stole this movie, this film is CGI used right. 8/10.

Now this, is a real review from someone whose opinion actual matters.

Not a "critic". Just a guy like the rest of us.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm not certain what you mean.

Are you saying that people dismiss the critics except when the critics opinion matches their own?

If that is what you mean then you are wrong in this case. In regards to me, I mean.

I do not value the opinion of any "professional" critic, be it positive or negative, nor do I read or listen to them. I form my opinions with what I see and hear myself.

I like to discuss films with other movie goers but see no value in the idea of the "critic".




People don't know how to to read reviews?

Now that makes me laugh. There is nothing complex about movie reviews, no hidden meaning or a magical way to read them.t:

Go see the movie. Form your own opinion.

Youre allowed to read reviews and read critics, in fact that's largely the point. Much of film criticism isn't centered around "see this, don't see this" the way your local newspaper reviews movies. Much of it is centered around "this is is what this movie has to offer. This is how this movie reflects certain ideas. Here's how this relates to other things".

 

[StormC]

Not a "critic". Just a guy like the rest of us.

Film critics aren't people now? OK.

 

[redhawk23]

Now this, is a real review from someone whose opinion actual matters.

Not a "critic". Just a guy like the rest of us.

IGNORE HIM. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION!

See how dumb that sounds?

 

[MadVillainy]

There is definitely video game movie that can be both good and successful.

I think Uncharted and Tomb Raider are the best options. Especially Uncharted.

But idk maybe, if AC and Warcraft don't do their thing, that it's time to stop. Hollywood clearly doesn't know how to do them properly

The one series that could easily work as an adaptation to me is Bioshock. Get the right writer and director, and you could have something special. Bioshock is original enough and deep enough to work imo.

While I think the story behind Bioshock is really cool, I think that'll be really difficult to pull off in film form

 

[StormC]

Get the Russo Brothers to direct a Metal Gear Solid film. They'd knock it out of the park.

Too bad Konami is doing all it can to bury that franchise now.

 

[redhawk23]

There is definitely video game movie that can be both good and successful.

I think Uncharted and Tomb Raider are the best options. Especially Uncharted.

But idk maybe, if AC and Warcraft don't do their thing, that it's time to stop. Hollywood clearly doesn't know how to do them properly



While I think the story behind Bioshock is really cool, I think that'll be really difficult to pull off in film form

Gore Verbonsky was going to try but when the money wasn't going to come together for ab r rated version he decided it wasn't worth doing. Respectable move.

 

[Mask&Cape]

IGNORE HIM. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION!

See how dumb that sounds?

It doesn't.

You should be able to and not have to rely on what a critic thinks.

It is sad that you can't, but there we go.

 

[MadVillainy]

Gore Verbonsky was going to try but when the money wasn't going to come together for ab r rated version he decided it wasn't worth doing. Respectable move.

Yup

Then they got some other smaller director and that didn't work out either.

 

[redhawk23]

It doesn't.

You should be able to and not have to rely on what a critic thinks.

It is sad that you can't, but there we go.

What I was pointing out was that you were placing value on anither commenters opinion. What is the difference between a forum member and a professional critic? Only that you relate to and trust their perspective.

Who said that I rely on critics to form my opinion? What I do value is discussion and analysis. That's why I'm on these boards. Other people can notice things that someone else might not or bring a different perspective to it. What professional critics offer is no different really than the thoughts offered by other commenters here except that many are trained writers, able to present their ideas in an organized manner. A good piece of criticism is a good piece of writing regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Problem with critics is that their opinion is generally counted as more valuable. Well, maybe some people need guidance. But when people begin saying stuff like "this film sucks/awesome and critics is the proof" - that's when it gets ugly. Their opinion isn't more valuable, than GA one. Same critics indeed good at putting words together and overall can be educated and erudite individuals, who can provide an interesting angle. But if I'd totally prefer aggregated score of 300 000 people to 300 selected person, who happen to have a blog/site and auditory. And it still won't affect my perception of the film. Because it only tells me how people liked/disliked a film.

 

[redhawk23]

Problem with critics is that their opinion is generally counted as more valuable. Well, maybe some people need guidance. But when people begin saying stuff like "this film sucks/awesome and critics is the proof" - that's when it gets ugly. Their opinion isn't more valuable, than GA one. Same critics indeed good at putting words together and overall can be educated and erudite individuals, who can provide an interesting angle. But if I'd totally prefer aggregated score of 300 000 people to 300 selected person, who happen to have a blog/site and auditory. And it still won't affect my perception of the film. Because it only tells me how people liked/disliked a film.

Aggregated acclaim usually just indicated lowest common dominator appeal, more so among the general audience. Adam Sandler films get A ci nemascores on the regular. People get what they want out of them I guess.

I place much more value on an individual review where the reviewer can explain where they're coming from in their approach to the material, much as that kotakus review did. Its not that critics have to state that kind d of info every ti.e. over time you can get to know certain writers.