Duncan Jones' Warcraft - Part 2

[Logan0327]

thats a reasonable budget not too big, not too small

 

[Logan0327]

One, I dislike Avatar quite a bit. Two, what indication is there this is executed well?

what indication is there that its executed bad??

 

[Victarion]

@Logan - Avatar's story was incredibly basic, but then there's plenty of stories that are well-told that could be called basic: Unforgiven, The Road Warrior, Mad Max: Fury Road, Sawyer, The Dark Knight. Where Avatar distinguishes itself from what I have seen of Warcraft in the trailers and all is the worldbuilding. Lush jungles, neuron-dragons, exotic flora and fauna.

That's where Warcraft could sell itself - give the audience a unique environment with a solid story that's well told.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

what indication is there that its executed bad??

Did you miss the tweets calling it confusing?

thats a reasonable budget not too big, not too small

No more it only cost $100m excuse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

@Logan - Avatar's story was incredibly basic, but then there's plenty of stories that are well-told that could be called basic: Unforgiven, The Road Warrior, Mad Max: Fury Road, Sawyer, The Dark Knight. Where Avatar distinguishes itself from what I have seen of Warcraft in the trailers and all is the worldbuilding. Lush jungles, neuron-dragons, exotic flora and fauna.

That's where Warcraft could sell itself - give the audience a unique environment with a solid story that's well told.

I dislike Avatar, but it is a technical marvel. The first of its kind. Warcraft very much looks like The Hobbit lite imo.

 

[Logan0327]

Did you miss the tweets calling it confusing?

WOW a couple of tweets from random joe schmoes

is that all you got???

 

[DarthSkywalker]

WOW a couple of tweets from random joe schmoes

is that all you got???

Will you use these same excuses if the reviews come out and aren't good?

 

[Consona]

Yea, being derivative does not mean it cannot be great.

Warcraft is super derivative of books and films that came before.

What so derivative about WarCraft?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yea, being derivative does not mean it cannot be great.



What so derivative about WarCraft?

Ever read any fantasy? Ever watched or read any Tolkien?

 

[Warhammer]

I like Duncan Jones but this movie just isn't giving me any sort of anticipation. I'll rely solely on reviews to see this thing. This is a good thing in a way for as an uninterested viewer, I get to be amazed if it turns out to be great.

 

[Logan0327]

Will you use these same excuses if the reviews come out and aren't good?

seems like you only pat attention to the bad there were plenty of positive tweets do they not count now??

no film is perfect and like many films this will get bad reviews and good reviews

 

[Consona]

Ever read any fantasy? Ever watched or read any Tolkien?

Are you serious right now? Just because there are orcs in other literature you consider WarCraft to be derivative?


(And yes, I've read The Hobbit and LotR...)

 

[DarthSkywalker]

seems like you only pat attention to the bad there were plenty of positive tweets do they not count now??

no film is perfect and like many films this will get bad reviews and good reviews

Nah, Seven Samurai and Goodfellas are pretty perfect. And there is a clear difference between a movie that gets the RT score of say Zootopia and one that gets the RT score of BvS. Yes, all movies get good and bad reviews. But the consensus is the consensus.

Mixed reaction is not a good thing. I don't remember much mixed reaction to Civil War or The Force Awakens, but hey tweets are tweets. We will know soon enough how the critics feel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Are you serious right now? Just because there are orcs in other literature you consider WarCraft to be derivative?


(And yes, I've read The Hobbit and LotR...)

If you think the similarities end at, "there are orcs", then I cannot help you. Though it is funny that Tolkien indeed created the orc.

 

[Consona]

If you think the similarities end at, "there are orcs", then I cannot help you. Though it is funny that Tolkien indeed created the orc.

Well, your argument was:

Ever read any fantasy? Ever watched or read any Tolkien?

That's not too informative, is it?


And please, stop being passive aggressive with stuff like "then I cannot help you", thank you.

 

[Drz]

Don't feed the troll:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The only troll here is you Drz, in the Game of Thrones threads. You even got told off by a mod for it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, your argument was:

That's not too informative, is it?


And please, stop being passive aggressive with stuff like "then I cannot help you", thank you.

The fantasy world with wizard, men folk, Elves, dwarves, evil creatures, etc. goes back a very long ways. Tolkien organized it, and gave it a new life in modern literature. Since then, the world has been full of books telling these type of tales. Just type in fantasy novels into google. It is not difficult. It is also why Game of Thrones, even with its obvious tropes, comes off fresh. Because it turns a lot of that on its head. Warcraft doesn't. It just adds a bit of John Carter to the idea, but it is kind of irrelevant as it is little touched upon and is just another take on the old ones, or in Tolkien's case, the Ainur.

Warcraft mythology is what something like Half-Life is to 80s sci-fi action like The Thing. Or Snatchers is to Blade Runner. In other words, it is fine in video game form. Great even. But once brought into the realm of literature or film, this "great mythology" is revealed for what it is. A derivative story not only based on the stories these designers grew up with, but often times lifted directly. Which is great. It is why I enjoy Uncharted. Modern day Indy fun. But if they made it into a film, suddenly the clone nature of it because incredibly obvious.

And if you like that, and want it as a film series, there is nothing wrong with that. But if we are asking how the general public might see it, that is a different question. This series might end up beloved for all we know, but there is nothing I have seen so far that indicates to me this will win over critics and the GA.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Going back to the comments about the armor... I was rewatching season one of Game of Thrones the other day and Ned has a line where he mocks Jaime Lannister, saying something like, "That's some nice armor you have there. Not a scratch on it."

That's pretty much every knight in this movie, lol.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Going back to the comments about the armor... I was rewatching season one of Game of Thrones the other day and Ned has a line where he mocks Jaime Lannister, saying something like, "That's some nice armor you have there. Not a scratch on it."

That's pretty much every knight in this movie, lol.

They choose their opponents wisely.

 

[Drz]

Stormwind hasn't had any wars for years and the movie probably won't even establish Trolls, making Stormwind even more peaceful.

 

[Logan0327]

Going back to the comments about the armor... I was rewatching season one of Game of Thrones the other day and Ned has a line where he mocks Jaime Lannister, saying something like, "That's some nice armor you have there. Not a scratch on it."

That's pretty much every knight in this movie, lol.

its not like these humans are in constant battle this is the 1st time they meet orcs

 

[Victarion]

The only troll here is you Drz, in the Game of Thrones threads. You even got told off by a mod for it.

His theories got shot to hell. Give my man a break, he's having a hard time.

DRZ or anyone else - does this series feature sentient, soul-stealing swords or unusually cruel humanoid folk descended from dragons?

I know orcs come from another world - what about the trolls?

 

[Drz]

His theories got shot to hell.

When? Nothing in television show has contradicted what i've said.

EDIT: And let me clarify something, I never came up with them either. Theres so many cool theories about Song of Ice and Fire, and then you got the plain silly ones like Roose = Vampire or Benjen = Euron/Daario.

does this series feature sentient, soul-stealing swords or unusually cruel humanoid folk descended from dragons?

Yes, the demons create soul-stealing weapons and theres like 5 different clans of Dragons with Dragonspawn humanoids, which one is evil and cruel.

what about the trolls?

Trolls are natives of the planet, and Elves are actually mutated trolls. Funny little "reverse" since in LOTR Orcs we're tortured elves of Morgoth.

 

[Victarion]

@DRZ - Thank you, and that was a joke in response to your Aquaman gif. I saw it and was like, he done lost his mind lol

How long would it take for them to introduce the Lich King?