Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - Part 13

[SunJockey]

Sadly, that's not the case. If it does get filmed, and does get released, even if it bombs, its still Fox' for another 7 years. Fox still isn't going to give it back unless Marvel pays for it.

And I think that there is the sole reason why Fox is doing this film. It's not that they care or even think UFF is an interesting new take on the franchise that will get people in theaters. It's that a few years back, Marvel came knocking trying to work something out to get some of their characters back, then they went off and had some majors successes with their properties and Fox realized that they could not allow any of their properties to lapse back to Marvel lest they watch Marvel make a far superior and successful product. I feel like Fox is just spinning its wheels and is hoping something catches on (I feel like them running back to Singer for X-men was a desperate attempt to cash in on the original films' success) instead of actually building an interesting franchise.

 

[Kelly]

I keep seeing that argument pop up, but here's the problem with that: it is entirely based on the idea that UFF is good and/or deserves to be adapted.

UFF was a complete disaster. It was critically panned from the beginning. It had poor sales from the beginning. It's the only one of the main 4 Ultimate titles that was never considered good at any point (generally speaking). The other three titles - Spider-Man, X-Men, Ultimates - were at least off to a decent start, both in reception and in popularity. UFF was just made to capitalize on their popularity and success, and was cancelled less than a decade after.

So for those trying to defend the writer/Fox's actions by sourcing UFF (not saying Kelly is doing that; this is a general question to everyone), what's your point? What are you trying to prove by arguing the film is based on a bad take of the Fantastic Four as opposed to being FF in name only? I mean, is that seriously much better?

I didn't make the comment as an argument...I just see a lot of elements from the UFF coming and though I have read little in the UFF that I actually enjoyed, it is what it is. As for myself, my fav of the F4 are no longer being written...MK Fantastic Four, those were my favorites and they still are.... : )

 

[Shikamaru]

I didn't make the comment as an argument...I just see a lot of elements from the UFF coming and though I have read little in the UFF that I actually enjoyed, it is what it is. As for myself, my fav of the F4 are no longer being written...MK Fantastic Four, those were my favorites and they still are.... : )

I know. That's why I said "not saying Kelly is doing that". It was addressed to the whole thread in general.

 

[Kelly]

I know. That's why I said "not saying Kelly is doing that". It was addressed to the whole thread in general.

*sighs* and if "I" had done a better job of reading your post, I would have seen that......

 

[Shikamaru]

*sighs* and if "I" had done a better job of reading your post, I would have seen that......

S'all good.

 

[The Guard]

You're missing the point. The classic Fantastic Four have stood the test of time. They've lasted for 50 years because at their most basic there's something about them which appeals to people regardless of their generation.

Except that obviously at their most basic, there wasn't something that appealed that much to filmgoers...based on the previous franchise, which was more or less the most basic elements of The Fantastic Four (not Doom so much). Which is probably one reason FOX is going in this particular direction.

The Ultimate Fantastic Four, however, have not stood the test of time. Does Marvel even publish the Ultimates universe anymore? It was a flash-in-t
he-pan which has since faded.

I don't see what the overall popularity of the comic book has to do with the validity of some of its key ideas.

So yeah, if they're going to make a movie, then it should be based off of the version of the Fantastic Four that's endured decades.

Fair enough. But where has anyone said that they are only going to use the ULTIMATE source material? They seem to be utilizing a few core ideas for the story...and that's quite possibly because we've already seen some of the classic ideas on film, and fairly recently to boot.

 

[Ant-manic]

With a plan that made no logical sense. You're correct.

The Doom I know would NEVER have been as dumb as he was portrayed in Ultimatum.

I'm not sure what you're referencing. but I bet it isn't any worse than the manner(s) in which he loses in the Marvel Universe-proper. I mean just how stupid was it to free Magneto after he had taken over the world? how stupid was I to make a pact with demons and expect them not to collect? how does he continually manage to lose after stealing cosmic powers?

 

[Ant-manic]

You're missing the point. The classic Fantastic Four have stood the test of time. They've lasted for 50 years because at their most basic there's something about them which appeals to people regardless of their generation.

The Ultimate Fantastic Four, however, have not stood the test of time.

neither have the Ultimate Avengers. and the Fantastic Four had plenty of ups and downs during that 50 years. there are era that weren't fit to be used as toilet paper. it's one of marvel's underselling flagship titles.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not sure what you're referencing. but I bet it isn't any worse than the manner(s) in which he loses in the Marvel Universe-proper. I mean just how stupid was it to free Magneto after he had taken over the world? how stupid was I to make a pact with demons and expect them not to collect? how does he continually manage to lose after stealing cosmic powers?

So, you never actually READ Ultimatum? Got it!

 

[747]

As soon as I read some of those Kinberg comments I knew there would be some entertaining uproar.

I remain cautious.

 

[Ant-manic]

So, you never actually READ Ultimatum? Got it!

if you had, you would be able to explain why you think Doom is stupid. since you haven't, I'm just going to assume that it's not worthy of discussion.

 

[Donut]

Has there ever been 1 guy vs literally an entire movie forum on here before lol

 

[Kelly]

Has there ever been 1 guy vs literally an entire movie forum on here before lol

There have been a few, but there have been far more people who commented more on other posters rather than the discussion at hand.....most of them are no longer here.

 

[Spider-Fan]

if you had, you would be able to explain why you think Doom is stupid. since you haven't, I'm just going to assume that it's not worthy of discussion.

I will discuss it when you actually read the material before commenting on my points about the character. Failure to do so is just baiting an argument based off nothing. So, you're right. Not really worth discussing.

 

[Ant-manic]

I will discuss it when you actually read the material before commenting on my points about the character. Failure to do so is just baiting an argument based off nothing. So, you're right. Not really worth discussing.

of course I'm right. the burden of proof is on you. "failure to do so?" as if I owe you a book report. well hold your breath on that one. Ultimate Doom was every bit the threat and mastermind as 616 Doom. and, at the risk of embarrassing you, you totally assumed that I was talking about Ultimatum. try the earlier crossover between the Ultimates, Fantastic Four, and Squadron Supreme.

 

[Kelly]

Has there ever been 1 guy vs literally an entire movie forum on here before lol

There have been a few, but there have been far more people who commented more on other posters rather than the discussion at hand.....most of them are no longer here.

of course I'm right. the burden of proof is on you. "failure to do so?" as if I owe you a book report. well hold your breath on that one. Ultimate Doom was every bit the threat and mastermind as 616 Doom. and, at the risk of embarrassing you, you totally assumed that I was talking about Ultimatum. try the earlier crossover between the Ultimates, Fantastic Four, and Squadron Supreme.

I'm trying to be a patient as possible with people on all sides of this project, but I am really getting tired of the posts directed "about" posters opinions rather than opinions of the project itself, the post above goes for you as well. I understand that it is very hard to be one of the few who are positive about a movie on a forum that has a major majority of those negative, I have been in those situations myself, but do not "bait" people, and do not fall for those baiting you. It keeps everyone out of trouble....please heed the warning. This goes for donut as well...

 

[Serpico Jones]

Edit.

 

[jaymes_e06]

^Really? Get that shot out of here.

 

[Incrediblejeff]

I guess I'm still in the minority here that still is hyped for this film.I hope they get super scientific in this movie,and go in depth about molecules along with demonstrations about what does what.I love the FF books,but I really love how ballsy this whole project is so far.Basically I like when Comic Book Movies take strong deviations from the actual books and make them work somehow.

I actually wish the MCU would stop being so safe and play around with the source material a little more imo.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'll get hype for this film once we finally see some footage or pics (that are good).

I don't like the cast, but I hope it turns out to be good. Right now, when it comes to these Marvel movies, we have the X-Men universe, the MCU and the Amazing Spider-Man universe. I want Fantastic Four to be the 4th on-going movie series and have a handful of successful movies.

 

[Brian Braddock]

I guess I'm still in the minority here that still is hyped for this film.I hope they get super scientific in this movie,and go in depth about molecules along with demonstrations about what does what.I love the FF books,but I really love how ballsy this whole project is so far.Basically I like when Comic Book Movies take strong deviations from the actual books and make them work somehow.

I actually wish the MCU would stop being so safe and play around with the source material a little more imo.

Yeah, that pesky source material beloved by so many just gets in the way doesnt it? Following it so far hasnt really helped Marvel Studios make any good movies and its actually more of a handicap [when you think about it] to have such a wealth of absolutely amazing storylines to adapt.

I'm definately all for switching it all up to a point were you cannot recognise who is who and what is what. I mean, it's not like people have waited years for these characters and storylines to be realised in live action or anything..........

 

[Crimson King]

I don't see it as playing safe to adapt source material. If anything, it's more courageous than modernizing a story beyond recognition just because you don't feel like tackling the more fantastic elements.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I don't see it as playing safe to adapt source material. If anything, it's more courageous than modernizing a story beyond recognition just because you don't feel like tackling the more fantastic elements.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Has there ever been a comic-book based film that has been punished by critics fans and box-office receipts because it was too close to the comics?

 

[marcvader]

Has there ever been a comic-book based film that has been punished by critics fans and box-office receipts because it was too close to the comics?

Maybe Watchmen.