Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - Part 13

[Eddie]

This movie should definitely not be saving "the good stuff" for the sequel. As I've mentioned before, this movie has a horrible release date. If they don't deliver their A game on the first one they will not get a sequel. Regardless of my personal feelings on what I've heard about the film, I really do think any movie that isn't a five star property (Star Wars, Avengers, Batman, etc.) would have a difficult time (at least at the domestic box office).

 

[EssayM]

Another possibility: Maybe Victor von Doom will be in this film, but he won't fully become Doom until the sequel, and some as-yet-unrevealed lesser villian will be the antagonist in the meantime. Kind of like what they did with the Winter Soldier?

I don't know, I'm just throwing out ideas here.

 

[Eddie]

Another possibility: Maybe Victor von Doom will be in this film, but he won't fully become Doom until the sequel, and some as-yet-unrevealed lesser villian will be the antagonist in the meantime. Kind of like what they did with the Winter Soldier?

I don't know, I'm just throwing out ideas here.

The main problem with that theory is that the current rumor is Doombots will be in the film. It's likely Doom and an army of robots will be the villain.

Which, come to think of it, is remarkably similar to the POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR AVENGERS: AOU

[BLACKOUT]Ultron drones that are likely to be in that movie. Quicksilver seems to be fighting/running by multiple "Ultrons" in concept art. Obviously Fox wouldn't have known about that, but it is an unfortunate coincidence.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

1. On 'tone', Kinberg says the film will be closer to Chronicle than Spider-Man. For me, as a Fantastic Four Fan, the tone of Chrinicle isn't close to the what made me fall in love with the FF.

2. Kinberg says this will be an origin story. I didn't fall in love with the FF because of their origin. Their origin is backstory - not a film in itself. Kirby and Lee devoted a couple pages to it and then got to what really defined the FF - Amazing adventures. An origin story is not the Fantastic Four. It's a waste of $100 million dollars. If they don't make an effort to capture the elements that made the FF special in this film, we very likely won't get a sequel because the audience will walk out thinking: "What was so special about that?" Films like Spider-Man and Iron Man gave us origins but then gave us the characters we knew and loved from the comics before it was over. They didn't say: "Come back in two years and then maybe, possibly, if we feel like it, we'll give you what you paid for this time."

3. Kinberg says this will be a 'coming of age' story. Huh?!?! What?!?! What does that have to do with the FF?!?! I never picked up an FF comic-book as a kid and said: "Wow! That was great! I loved how it was a 'coming of age' story."

4. Kinberg says Doom will get powers with the FF - as he did in the first FF movie and as he did in Ultimate FF. That's not Dr. Doom. That's a big reason so many fans were turned off by the first film and now they're going to turn around and do the same thing again?!?! UFF should not even be considered as a valid source material if they want to please FF fans. FF fans want FF, not UFF.

As an FF fan, there was almost nothing Kinberg said that made me feel good about this project and a whole lot he said that makes me far less interested in this film than I was before he spoke.

I'm nearly done. It seems there's very little for me to look forward to.

They seem to just want to make a film that has little or nothing to do with the FF. If I want that, there are 100's of other choices.

Willie you just summed up my feelings exactly. So disappointed in this.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

1. When did he say that? It seemed to me like he said it would be a mix of the two, not favoring one or the other.

"But I would say there’s a spectrum, and we’re on the spectrum between Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man and Chronicle. It would probably lean more towards Chronicle."

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-reboot-costumes-shooting-schedule/

4. I should probably reread the interview, because I don't remember him saying that at all.

"So it is about how really four — and in some ways five, you know, with Victor Von Doom — how five people go from being normal people in the world to being transformed into something, sort of, when it first happens, abnormal and then by the end superhuman.”

http://geeknation.com/simon-kinberg-says-new-fantastic-four-reboot-will-be-a-coming-of-age-story/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

soooo does that insinuate Doom is a fifth member of the 4 getting transformed... just like the last mistake?

 

[EssayM]

"But I would say there’s a spectrum, and we’re on the spectrum between Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man and Chronicle. It would probably lean more towards Chronicle."

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-reboot-costumes-shooting-schedule/



"So it is about how really four — and in some ways five, you know, with Victor Von Doom — how five people go from being normal people in the world to being transformed into something, sort of, when it first happens, abnormal and then by the end superhuman.”

http://geeknation.com/simon-kinberg-says-new-fantastic-four-reboot-will-be-a-coming-of-age-story/

Fair enough, though to be honest, neither of those quotes bother me that much. Chronicle, they're probably trying to remind people of that other successful movie Josh Trank made. With Doom, it just says he also goes from normal to superhuman. That could come about in any number of ways. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be part of the experiment.

soooo does that insinuate Doom is a fifth member of the 4 getting transformed... just like the last mistake?

The "last mistake" was made by the director of Barbershop and the writer of Ang Lee's Hulk. This film is being made by the director of Chronicle and the writer of the upcoming DOFP. Whatever Doom's origin in this, one expects it will be handled with slightly better care.

 

[EssayM]

The main problem with that theory is that the current rumor is Doombots will be in the film. It's likely Doom and an army of robots will be the villain.

Which, come to think of it, is remarkably similar to the POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR AVENGERS: AOU

[BLACKOUT]Ultron drones that are likely to be in that movie. Quicksilver seems to be fighting/running by multiple "Ultrons" in concept art. Obviously Fox wouldn't have known about that, but it is an unfortunate coincidence.[/BLACKOUT]

If Doom is a tech student/scientific genius, it wouldn't be inconceivable for him to work on robots on his spare time. And when he inevitably turns evil, perhaps he uses his technology against the other four, as a prelude to donning the familiar metal armor and green cloak.

Then again, it might just be a made-up rumor designed to get fans interested again. Who knows?

 

[Ant-manic]

Fair enough, though to be honest, neither of those quotes bother me that much. Chronicle, they're probably trying to remind people of that other successful movie Josh Trank made. With Doom, it just says he also goes from normal to superhuman. That could come about in any number of ways. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be part of the experiment.



The "last mistake" was made by the director of Barbershop and the writer of Ang Lee's Hulk. This film is being made by the director of Chronicle and the writer of the upcoming DOFP. Whatever Doom's origin in this, one expects it will be handled with slightly better care.

the casting alone gives this a better chance of being something more recognizable about Doom. Kebell could actually pass as romani. and i can't see him playing the kind of polished corporate raider that Julian McMahon gave us. Kebell looks and feels like pre-armored Victor von Doom, to me. i think it'd be cool if they found the negative zone, in part, because von Doom was searching for the "dimension" imprisoning his mother's soul.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

If your a Marvel fan and/or have kids this is something you will want to check out. It's called Marvel Universe LIVE and it looks to be something huge. I made a thread about it here in the comics section because I wasn't sure where to put it:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=466805

You can see when they are coming to a city near you at the site:

http://www.marveluniverselive.com/

and this will be a multi-country thing as well! Looks like Marvel is going to have another hit on their hands. I don't see how this thing will be anything but a monster with the popularity of the movies

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Fair enough, though to be honest, neither of those quotes bother me that much. Chronicle, they're probably trying to remind people of that other successful movie Josh Trank made. With Doom, it just says he also goes from normal to superhuman. That could come about in any number of ways. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll be part of the experiment.

But I, personally, have a problem with that. Doom became Doom at a very young age. Like Hitler, like Stalin, like Saddam Hussein, he saw as a child how some people call the shots and how other, weaker men have to live in that world.

So he, at a young age, after seeing that injustice, decided he would be the one calling the shots. That's how real supervillains are born. They're not the result of some lab accident. FF annual #2 showed a real insight into the mind of a dictator and that should be the basis of any proper Doom treatment.

Doom wasn't normal when he met Reed in college. He was already Doom, he just hadn't fully fulfilled his destiny yet.

But I highly doubt we'll get that and Kinberg's comments seem to say we won't.

I could be reading too much into it, but I'm seeing signal after signal that we're going to get the shallow, cliché UFF rather than the classic, iconic richly executed FF.

 

[Endeavor]

so have they started filming yet?

hahah
just kidding


seriously though, when is the new delay announcement coming out?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

seriously though, when is the new delay announcement coming out?

5 second sneak peek tomorrow

full trailer is due next week

 

[Endeavor]

5 second sneak peek tomorrow

full trailer is due next week

yay!
can't wait to see FFINOOWNEIN

 

[Krystal]

But I, personally, have a problem with that. Doom became Doom at a very young age. Like Hitler, like Stalin, like Saddam Hussein, he saw as a child how some people call the shots and how other, weaker men have to live in that world.

So he, at a young age, after seeing that injustice, decided he would be the one calling the shots. That's how real supervillains are born. They're not the result of some lab accident. FF annual #2 showed a real insight into the mind of a dictator and that should be the basis of any proper Doom treatment.

Doom wasn't normal when he met Reed in college. He was already Doom, he just hadn't fully fulfilled his destiny yet.

But I highly doubt we'll get that and Kinberg's comments seem to say we won't.

I could be reading too much into it, but I'm seeing signal after signal that we're going to get the shallow, cliché UFF rather than the classic, iconic richly executed FF.

That's the problem with getting people to make the movie who don't know it's history or comic history.
Doom's origin was unique---an entire 10-12 page story following him from a small child thru his first encounter with reed and to his dream of gaining power first in his homeland and then his ambitions to destroy Reed and dominate the world.
You can't change that and make it BETTER--you can only change it.

The villain with the best origin and they dump it to appeal to a younger demographic?

Sorry, I'm an oldie and when I look around the theater before the lights go down at a CBM---I see tons of old middle-age people who grew up with this stuff.

Change this franchise too much and I know, like they lost me---they will lose a big chunk of their audience.

Will they make up for it by adding a lot of youngsters? We'll see but I'd bet no.

 

[EssayM]

so have they started filming yet?

hahah
just kidding


seriously though, when is the new delay announcement coming out?

According to Simon Kinberg, the film's writer, they will start filming in a couple weeks and will finish in either July or August.

 

[Donut]

Here is the main part of the costume for the four

 

[Krystal]

Here is the main part of the costume for the four

that's waaaay too like the comic outfit----they don't even want to acknowledge the name of the group---the number "4" acknowledges part of the name they are trying to avoid.

Maybe the shirt could say "Awesome group" or "Hip Clique" or "Team Emo" or even "We don't need no stinking name"

 

[jaymes_e06]

Here is the main part of the costume for the four

I actually love that shirt. Must have it. Where get at?

 

[Donut]

All right is this better ?

 

[Donut]

I actually love that shirt. Must have it. Where get at?

Google image search

 

[Krystal]

All right is this better ?

Nah, it's too preppy---they're young alienated people-living by their own rules and way too cool to be a scientist or a Air force vet or be serious and mature. Maybe as a joke one of them could buy a jacket with a price of $4 on the tag from a rummage shop and the audience would love the joke!

 

[EssayM]

Totally unrelated fun fact that I stumbled across: apparently the first Fantastic Four movie underwent significant changes when The Incredibles came out. This article details the changes.

 

[Krystal]

Totally unrelated fun fact that I stumbled across: apparently the first Fantastic Four movie underwent significant changes when The Incredibles came out. This article details the changes.

LOL

So Fox coughed up an additional $20 million for the final act battle and that was what their $20 mil bought them!!!

Can you imagine what the sequence was BEFORE they spent that money?

Sue bends down and while invisible super-glues Doom feet to the ground, then Reed confronts Doom and while distracting him with some inane wimpy chatter, takes a cue from his own sad childhood, and reaches around with one hand and gives him a wedgie, then ben kicks him in the butt and sends him airborne, where Johnny catches him and drops into a nearby car crusher---thus trapping him in his own armor.

 

[bubbadoom]

LOL

So Fox coughed up an additional $20 million for the final act battle and that was what their $20 mil bought them!!!

Can you imagine what the sequence was BEFORE they spent that money?

Sue bends down and while invisible super-glues Doom feet to the ground, then Reed confronts Doom and while distracting him with some inane wimpy chatter, takes a cue from his own sad childhood, and reaches around with one hand and gives him a wedgie, then ben kicks him in the butt and sends him airborne, where Johnny catches him and drops into a nearby car crusher---thus trapping him in his own armor.

That article is a little missleading...
While the budget did rise from $80 million to $100 million, there were no major changes to the third act. Reed hardly stretches at all in the film, though he does finally do something "fantastic" at the end while battling Doom.
The only real difference was that a scene in which Ben saves a cat from a tree was cut as there was a very similar scene in THE INCREDIBLES.