Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - Part 14

[wobbly]

I think this is the one real take-away we get from this. No matter what's going on behind the scenes, this illustrates at least some recognition of the fans.

If the attitude is, as it seemed to be: "We don't give a S*** what the fans think." then there's no hope for us to get anything close to what we want.

The apparent recognition of the fans and, more importantly, recognition of what the fans want is a positive step if nothing else.

Let's just hope it's more substantial than some pacifying lip service at the end of the day. In the end, though saying some of the right things, it is all rather vague, and nothing anyone previously interviewed couldn't have said.

Also, still talking about crossovers with X-Men? He must know that's a non starter by now, but him still dangling it out there, however tentatively, does seem like the old carrot on a stick trick.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Also, still talking about crossovers with X-Men? He must know that's a non starter by now, but him still dangling it out there, however tentatively, does seem like the old carrot on a stick trick.

Definitely. I took Kinberg's statement as nothing more than posturing to give the impression of strength that Fox has more control over these properties than they really do. There's already been some excellent arguments over why them attempting to combine the two properties is a legal mine field. But if it keeps a certain segment of fans interested about what Fox is doing with the Marvel characters they have in their possession why not blow some smoke about it?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

It might turn out to be a good movie. But it will never be a Fantastic Four movie

"Never" is a very definitive statement as this point. From the interview it sounds as if it will very much be a Fantastic Four movie. There is little reason outside of bias to think otherwise at this point.

I just think you are over underestimating this film like as if you already saw it. I know the last two F4 films made by Fox weren't good and Simon Kinberg still has a bad track record. But chill out. People keep saying that the true F4 fans wont care to watch this and yet they seem to complain every single thing about this film including bad mouthing the drector. If you dont reallycare about this film, you wouldnt be posting here in this section regularly.

Hit the nail on the head

I personally just want this film to be a success since this is gonna be the 1st F4 film in a long time.

There are legit reasons to be concern of but I just think its unhealthy to be negative all the time most especially to a film that is not even out yet.

 

[Mysteryman]

Right now, the FF sequel is tenatively scheduled for for July 14, 2017.
Depending how the first one works out , that might not happen.
But , if it does, they will have mighty strong competition.
Disney just announced they are releasing Pirates 5 on July 7, 2017.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let's just hope it's more substantial than some pacifying lip service at the end of the day. In the end, though saying some of the right things, it is all rather vague, and nothing anyone previously interviewed couldn't have said.

Also, still talking about crossovers with X-Men? He must know that's a non starter by now, but him still dangling it out there, however tentatively, does seem like the old carrot on a stick trick.

The words by themselves are absolutely meaningless. Couldn't we realistically apply nearly everything he said to the first two films? Take this interview, replace 'Trank' with 'Story' and a producer on the earlier films could have made very similar comments without being a liar.

But we've gone from having the studio basically thumb their nose at us to crafting comments designed for us, and that's important. I've been asking through this process "Don't they even understand these characters and us enough to at least give us a good line of BS?"

And now we have, if nothing else, a good line of BS.

As for a crossover, he seems to confirm an idea I've been toying with for a while which is that (forgetting legal limitations and Marvel for the moment) they could cross-over with the idea (already established in the Marvel Comics Universe) of alternate worlds.

That could even open up the possibility (if Fox and Marvel could put on their big boy pants) of sharing characters and doing collaborative films between Fox, Sony and Marvel with characters crossing back and forth between those alternate worlds.

 

[Doctor Jones]

That Kinberg article actually cleared up a lot of questions I've had. I mean, like surprisingly coherent to the point where I actually have an idea now. The concerns that I have stems from the overall uncertainty of what this movie actually is. Because all of the other comments in the past have been vague to just questionable.

With the lack of details, everything is fair game, so it's easy why to see it so divided around here. I'm glad he spoke of the family dynamic which is the most important. The tone too. Scientific adventurers sounds a lot more appealing than "people dealing with disabilities." It fits into the superhero trope as well so that as a concept works.

So it just seems they're taking this very seriously, but not being beholden to any particular material yet still are striving to maintain what makes FF work by looking at the source material.

Okay. Sounds no different than what any potential great CBM sets out to be.

As long as it's not everyone going all Ben Grimm hating who they are and just being depressed about it I'm okay.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The words by themselves are absolutely meaningless. Couldn't we realistically apply nearly everything he said to the first two films? Take this interview, replace 'Trank' with 'Story' and a producer on the earlier films could have made very similar comments without being a liar.

But we've gone from having the studio basically thumb their nose at us to crafting comments designed for us, and that's important. I've been asking through this process "Don't they even understand these characters and us enough to at least give us a good line of BS?"

And now we have, if nothing else, a good line of BS.

As for a crossover, he seems to confirm an idea I've been toying with for a while which is that (forgetting legal limitations and Marvel for the moment) they could cross-over with the idea (already established in the Marvel Comics Universe) of alternate worlds.

That could even open up the possibility (if Fox and Marvel could put on their big boy pants) of sharing characters and doing collaborative films between Fox, Sony and Marvel with characters crossing back and forth between those alternate worlds.

The prospect of a crossover between Fox and Marvel seems pretty much an impossibility to me at this point.

I just want what's best for the Fantastic Four. I hope Kinberg is not just BSing us but I'm not convinced at all.

In order (from best to worst) here are the possible outcomes for the Fantastic Four as I see it:

1. Marvel acquires the rights to the Fantastic Four prior to the release of Trank's film - It would take a miracle
2. Fox releases an amazing Fantastic Four film true to the spirit of the comics, reinvigorating the franchise. As a result Marvel and Fox work out a deal to allow cross pollination between their cinematic universes. - Again - not happening
3. Fox makes an amazing Fantastic Four film true to the spirit of the comics, reinvigorating the franchise. - IMO highly unlikely
4. The film turns out to be a trainwreck and bombs utterly causing Fox to give up the ship and after agreeing to finally release the rights, a damaged franchise is returned to Marvel Studios.
5. The film turns out to be a trainwreck and bombs utterly but Fox again sits on the rights for another seven years.
6. The film turns out to be mediocre to merely OK and makes enough money that Fox continues making mediocre to merely OK Fantastic Four films for many years.

The last two (very real) possibilities make me want to punch a hole in a wall and are the reason I personally am very vocal in criticizing this production. The fact that Fox appears to be listening to our complaints may actually be a good thing. We shall see.

 

[Tony Stark]

The prospect of a crossover between Fox and Marvel seems pretty much an impossibility to me at this point.

I just want what's best for the Fantastic Four. I hope Kinberg is not just BSing us but I'm not convinced at all.

In order (from best to worst) here are the possible outcomes for the Fantastic Four as I see it:

1. Marvel acquires the rights to the Fantastic Four prior to the release of Trank's film - It would take a miracle
2. Fox releases an amazing Fantastic Four film true to the spirit of the comics, reinvigorating the franchise. As a result Marvel and Fox work out a deal to allow cross pollination between their cinematic universes. - Again - not happening
3. Fox makes an amazing Fantastic Four film true to the spirit of the comics, reinvigorating the franchise. - IMO highly unlikely
4. The film turns out to be a trainwreck and bombs utterly causing Fox to give up the ship and after agreeing to finally release the rights, a damaged franchise is returned to Marvel Studios.
5. The film turns out to be a trainwreck and bombs utterly but Fox again sits on the rights for another seven years.
6. The film turns out to be mediocre to merely OK and makes enough money that Fox continues making mediocre to merely OK Fantastic Four films for many years.

The last two (very real) possibilities make me want to punch a hole in a wall and are the reason I personally am very vocal in criticizing this production. The fact that Fox appears to be listening to our complaints may actually be a good thing. We shall see.

Your last few bullet points got me thinking about how this film is pretty much extortion. They want to get money out of Disney for the rights, and they are willing to destroy the future earning potential of the characters to get some money for the rights back.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Your last few bullet points got me thinking about how this film is pretty much extortion. They want to get money out of Disney for the rights, and they are willing to destroy the future earning potential of the characters to get some money for the rights back.

Yeah those who claimed Josh trank was directing film,Noone would be cast and fox wasn't serious about making film are sure experts In what fox is thinking

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah those who claimed Josh trank was directing film,Noone would be cast and fox wasn't serious about making film are sure experts In what fox is thinking

I don't understand what you are trying to say?

 

[Donut]

"Never" is a very definitive statement as this point. From the interview it sounds as if it will very much be a Fantastic Four movie. There is little reason outside of bias to think otherwise at this point

You just have to accept the opinions of others. Trying to change it is futile & a waste of time & you will never get me to change my opinion & there is nothing fox can do either. This is Fantastic Four In Name Only & that is what it will always be to most of us here

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Your last few bullet points got me thinking about how this film is pretty much extortion. They want to get money out of Disney for the rights, and they are willing to destroy the future earning potential of the characters to get some money for the rights back.

The scary thing is you probably believe that.

 

[TeeKay]

The real question is why is this film being made at the last minute? What's the motivation behind it. Let's be honest here.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Trank has been on film since 2012.It has been In works for 2 years.Many films take awhile to get off the ground.

 

[Link]

You just have to accept the opinions of others. Trying to change it is futile & a waste of time & you will never get me to change my opinion & there is nothing fox can do either. This is Fantastic Four In Name Only & that is what it will always be to most of us here

Not even by making a great FF movie? :P

This is something i've never really understood, harsh preset opinions. It's okay to be sceptical, but people here act like negative preset opinions are FACTS.

 

[Donut]

Not even by making a great FF movie? :P

This is something i've never really understood, harsh preset opinions. It's okay to be sceptical, but people here act like negative preset opinions are FACTS.

& positive preset opinions are facts ?

 

[Dasher10]

To me all I can think of when I think of this movie is that because of it we will have an MCU without Dr. Doom. An MCU without Galactus. An MCU where the Guardians of the Galaxy movie can't even use the Badoon (even though they exterminated Gamora's entire species). I think about the fact that we will never see Namor or the Inhumans face off against the Fantastic Four or see the Hulk go head to head with the Thing (all very iconic FF story lines). Not only we will never see the Silver Surfer and Thanos together, we may never even see a Silver Surfer film period. For all of this awesomeness (and more) to be possible, the only thing that needed to happen was that Fox miss their production start date by a few months. Now we're hearing of daily rewrites and we're hearing that they are not ready for Comic-Con.

It's going to take a WHOLE lot more than a song and dance by Simon Kinberg to ever win me over on this.

To be perfectly frank, Doctor Doom and Galactus would just be in FF movies in the MCU. Also, Sakaarans are replacing the Badoon in the MCU. Marvel really loses more from Fox having the X-Men rights.

And Thanos will be playing the role of Galactus while Doctor Doom's role will be replaced with Baron Zemo.

 

[Kelly]

"People" have opinions...THAT is a fact.

"People" use the word "People" to whine about someone else's opinion they don't like because they are afraid that if they call them by name they will get in trouble.....THAT is a fact.

There is not a movie that is being made or has been made that did not have both positive and negative opinions BEFORE, DURING AND AFTER the movie was made.....THAT is a fact.

People whining about other people's opinions is really getting old.....THAT is a fact.


Just sayin'...

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

To be perfectly frank, Doctor Doom and Galactus would just be in FF movies in the MCU. Also, Sakaarans are replacing the Badoon in the MCU. Marvel really loses more from Fox having the X-Men rights.

And Thanos will be playing the role of Galactus while Doctor Doom's role will be replaced with Baron Zemo.

Yes I heard about the Sakaarans. It is what it is but I would have preferred the Badoon.

I must disagree with your statement about how the MCU would handle Doctor Doom though. What makes you say that? I would agree that he would primarily be positioned as a foe of the Fantastic Four (for the first few movies at least). But years down the road I think he could easily pop up all over the place. He has taken on pretty much everyone in the comics - from Iron Man to Thor to Daredevil to the entire Avengers roster and even the Beyonder. To me he is Marvel's greatest villain and not having him as part of the MCU is a huge huge loss.

Galactus I would actually see having a greater role in the cosmic scheme of things. He too has faced other foes than the FF in the comics. But in both cases in the end I would always want to see it be Reed Richards who defeats these two classic villains. I am not a fan of the idea of cannibalizing the FF's villains at all like some folks have been rooting for.

As far as the X-Men I don't feel that's such a huge loss at all. I think the X-Men when handled properly by Fox can exist quite nicely in their own little universe.

 

[Dasher10]

Yes I heard about the Sakaarans. It is what it is but I would have preferred the Badoon.

I must disagree with your statement about how the MCU would handle Doctor Doom though. What makes you say that? I would agree that he would primarily be positioned as a foe of the Fantastic Four (for the first few movies at least). But years down the road I think he could easily pop up all over the place. He has taken on pretty much everyone in the comics - from Iron Man to Thor to Daredevil to the entire Avengers roster and even the Beyonder. To me he is Marvel's greatest villain and not having him as part of the MCU is a huge huge loss.

Galactus I would actually see having a greater role in the cosmic scheme of things. He too has faced other foes than the FF in the comics. But in both cases in the end I would always want to see it be Reed Richards who defeats these two classic villains. I am not a fan of the idea of cannibalizing the FF's villains at all like some folks have been rooting for.

As far as the X-Men I don't feel that's such a huge loss at all. I think the X-Men when handled properly by Fox can exist quite nicely in their own little universe.

I don't deny that but the Fox does a good job with the X-Men but Marvel Studios losing the Shi'Ar is a problem. The only solution I can think of is for Fox to come to the table and allow both studios to share them in exchange for live action X-Men TV rights.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I don't deny that but the Fox does a good job with the X-Men but Marvel Studios losing the Shi'Ar is a problem. The only solution I can think of is for Fox to come to the table and allow both studios to share them in exchange for live action X-Men TV rights.

Agreed - not having the Shi'ar is a problem. I highly doubt Fox will ever do anything with them. As a fan, it's all so maddening. It's like two companies trying to make a Star Trek movie where one has the Klingons and Romulans and the other has the Vulcans and the Borg.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The more sci-fi aspects of the X-Men are the things I lament the most, since I don't think the X-Men movies are ever going to touch the Shiar. I think Fox is great with mutants and the social commentary that goes with it. They also do a good job with mutant characters. But Chris Claremont's X-Men had an incredible diversity and doubt the movies will ever attempt to reach all that.

 

[wobbly]

Trank has been on film since 2012.It has been In works for 2 years.Many films take awhile to get off the ground.

Longer than that. They announced the reboot the day after Disney bought Marvel out (...ahem..). That's nearing 5 years now.

The timeline is roughly as follows:

Aug 2009....and so it begins...Fox announces a Fantastic Four reboot. Akiva Goldsman was hired as a producer and Michael Green as the screenwriter. I think it was initially 'pencilled' in for a 2011 release but that was never realistic.

Then nothing but casting rumours until early 2012 when Trank's name was first being touted as Director. He denied he had the gig then, but was confirmed by July 2012, nearly 3 years after the reboot was first announced (perhaps when Fox realised no big cheque was looming from the Mouse...) and Jeremy Slater was now announced as the screenwriter.

Feb 13 Mathew Vaughan is now attached as a producer and Seth Graham Smith now brought in to 'polish' the script. Throughout 2013 there were casting calls for location shooting dates that never materialised. MBJ was rumoured as a lock for the role of Johnny as early as May 2013 with none of the rest of the cast even tested until early this year.

In October 13 Simon Kinberg was brought in as a producer and co/re-writes the script, and appears to have replaced Mark Millar as an official mouthpiece for this film.

December 2013 Fox announce a March 6th 2015 release date, changed not long after to June 19th.

More location shoots early this year deferred until finally in early May (and possibly not very far from the expiry deadline) the camera's finally started rolling.

There's more to all this, but these are the main things I can remember and could easily find for confirmation on dates.

Compare the production of DOFP to this...DOFP was pitched in 2011, Kinberg began on that script in November 2011, and it was all done & dusted by this year. About 2.5 years years there, while this film will have been nearly 6 years in the making by the time it hits the theatres.

 

[JP]

What a rush job!

 

[Donut]

You do realize that what they are actually making now was surely not what they originally started out with. Just watch the Kevin Smith Superman story & see how many different stages a movie can go through behind the scenes