Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - Part 14

[wobbly]

What a rush job!

Lol

Seriously though this isn't a case of them carefully cultivating a rare orchid or something, imo. As Reed Richards might say, CBM's are not rocket science (not that its likely he will be getting into a rocket for this one...). DOFP is just one example of how a good result can be done in far less time.

Nah. With this we know Fox have simply dragged their heels as they have not been sure what to do with this thing. And I do think their eyes lit up at the $4 billion splashed on Star Wars and were hoping Disney would throw a silly offer at them for the FF (the timing of the first announcement was slightly obvious), but when that never happened I think they had only one viable option: If they were gonna do this then the best play was to hold off as long as possible to give as much time as they could since the previous efforts (and maybe still coax an 11th hour cheque from the Mouse before the point of no return). Announcing a reboot just 2 years since the last one always seemed daft. Even this one hitting the theatres 8 years later seems too soon to me.

So whatever script Green did back in 2009 was thrown out when Trank came on board 2012. No serious activity again until late last year and another re-write was required, then they got down to bones of it with the remainder of the cast tested and signed up early this year. So from first announcement to first signs of serious activity (a Director being officially attached) there was about a 3 year dead zone.

 

[Donut]

Lol

Seriously though this isn't a case of them carefully cultivating a rare orchid or something, imo. As Reed Richards might say, CBM's are not rocket science (not that its likely he will be getting into a rocket for this one...). DOFP is just one example of how a good result can be done in far less time.

Nah. With this we know Fox have simply dragged their heels as they have not been sure what to do with this thing. And I do think their eyes lit up at the $4 billion splashed on Star Wars and were hoping Disney would throw a silly offer at them for the FF (the timing of the first announcement was slightly obvious), but when that never happened I think they had only one viable option: If they were gonna do this then the best play was to hold off as long as possible to give as much time as they could since the previous efforts (and maybe still coax an 11th hour cheque from the Mouse before the point of no return). Announcing a reboot just 2 years since the last one always seemed daft. Even this one hitting the theatres 8 years later seems too soon to me.

So whatever script Green did back in 2009 was thrown out when Trank came on board 2012. No serious activity again until late last year and another re-write was required, then they got down to bones of it with the remainder of the cast tested and signed up early this year. So from first announcement to first signs of serious activity (a Director being officially attached) there was about a 3 year dead zone.

I have no doubt that Josh Trank made sure that his bff plays a role in his actual contract. One of the guys in an interview said that he was the first one cast after all

 

[JP]

Lol

Seriously though this isn't a case of them carefully cultivating a rare orchid or something, imo. As Reed Richards might say, CBM's are not rocket science

Then why don't we have a plethora of great ones?

DOFP is just one example of how a good result can be done in far less time.

Yet it's the longest production for any X-film. And arguably the best of the series.

Nah. With this we know Fox have simply dragged their heels as they have not been sure what to do with this thing. And I do think their eyes lit up at the $4 billion splashed on Star Wars and were hoping Disney would throw a silly offer at them for the FF (the timing of the first announcement was slightly obvious), but when that never happened I think they had only one viable option: If they were gonna do this then the best play was to hold off as long as possible to give as much time as they could since the previous efforts (and maybe still coax an 11th hour cheque from the Mouse before the point of no return). Announcing a reboot just 2 years since the last one always seemed daft. Even this one hitting the theatres 8 years later seems too soon to me.

We don't know any of that. But speculation is fun and makes this forum go 'round.

 

[Eddie]

Then why don't we have a plethora of great ones?

We kinda have. I could probably name at least a few dozen live action comic adaptations that were, at the very least, really good.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

You just have to accept the opinions of others. Trying to change it is futile & a waste of time & you will never get me to change my opinion & there is nothing fox can do either. This is Fantastic Four In Name Only & that is what it will always be to most of us here

Are you saying that you're opinion is set in stone with no chance of changing, even if they make an excellent F4 movie that honours the source?

 

[wobbly]

Then why don't we have a plethora of great ones?

I think there's been quite a few very good ones, but there will always be some duds simply because Hollywood does churn out crappy movies in every genre there is, even the ones where they really shouldn't.

Yet it's the longest production for any X-film. And arguably the best of the series.

And your point is what? I've already said DOFP was good, and 2.5 years (13 months from shooting to release) is still far less time than 6 years, is it not?

We don't know any of that. But speculation is fun and makes this forum go 'round.

Sure its speculation, and I should have said that (my bad) but can you look at the facts and say the scenario I stated is baseless?

Would you care to offer your own speculation and explain why you think Fox announced the reboot the very next day after the Disney buyout of Marvel, and just 2 years after ROTSS, then just sat around doing bugger all with it for the next 3 years?

Even if there was no ulterior motive regarding a possible deal with Disney, would you not say they did indeed drag their heels in that 3 year dead zone?

 

[JP]

I think there's been quite a few very good ones, but there will always be some duds simply because Hollywood does churn out crappy movies in every genre there is, even the ones where they really shouldn't.

I forget who say this, but there's a quote that goes something like "If making a movie were easy, there would be a lot more good ones."

And your point is what? I've already said DOFP was good, and 2.5 years (13 months from shooting to release) is still far less time than 6 years, is it not?

Yes.

Sure its speculation, and I should have said that (my bad) but can you look at the facts and say the scenario I stated is baseless?

I have no idea what went on behind the scenes.

Would you care to offer your own speculation and explain why you think Fox announced the reboot the very next day after the Disney buyout of Marvel, and just 2 years after ROTSS, then just sat around doing bugger all with it for the next 3 years?

I don't know that they just "sat around" because, as I stated above, I don't know what went on behind the scenes.

Even if there was no ulterior motive regarding a possible deal with Disney, would you not say they did indeed drag their heels in that 3 year dead zone?

How is that any different than any other studio? Some films take years to get off the ground.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

So if we would hear anything, it would be Friday, correct?

 

[Donut]

Are you saying that you're opinion is set in stone with no chance of changing, even if they make an excellent F4 movie that honours the source?

I am saying that this might be a good movie. There is always that small chance & I have always said that. But I will never call this a Fantastic Four movie

 

[JP]

So if we would hear anything, it would be Friday, correct?

Fox's panel is Friday. Yes. I believe Kinberg has his own panel that same day, so we'll likely get more quotes.

 

[Donut]

Any studio if smart enough can get a quick preview together for something like Comic Con. X2 was only 2 to 4 weeks into shooting before that years Comic Con. But they still planned & shot specific scenes first for that Comic Con trailer back then

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Revealing the logo, or some concept or something would be a good idea. Sure they're not a dedicated superhero movie studio and it's not their thing but it's not smart to let the prime event to advertise your movie pass by with nothing shown.

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

I'd be happy with just a group shot. Is that asking too much?

 

[RAE072]

Jurassic World might be showing footage on Saturday.

Hmm, when does that come out. Oh, June. 2015.

Huh. Look at that.

 

[Kelly]

Revealing the logo, or some concept or something would be a good idea. Sure they're not a dedicated superhero movie studio and it's not their thing but it's not smart to let the prime event to advertise your movie pass by with nothing shown.

That very well may happen, but I disagree. IMO, they should not do anything until a fully cgi'd ready to go trailer is ready. Do a major roll out with some of the Fox programming this fall POSSIBLY even some BTS type of stuff with the premiere of one of the Fox series, a great trailer for the Super Bowl, do something similar to what they did with the first movie and the Final Four National Championship...and then begin the individual trailers for each character as they did with the first movie.

But, at this point, unless they have something totally READY TO GO...I would do nothing at Comic-con. It looks to me like they are pushing this toward the General Audience, which may in the end do well for them....but at this point, I don't see them making hard core fans happy with a logo. (In my opinion, that would simply spark the negative banter and bring it to the forefront again). The more I hear and see, the more I feel that they are not looking for the $$$ of the hardcore fans, they are looking for the $$$ of the GA. Maybe some photos of Doom in total gear....that is a possibility and if he is a 616 type of look, I would do that. But doesn't seem to me they are really all that geared to the hard core fans of Comic-con...IF KINBERG he has to think before he opens his mouth, and realize the audience that he is talking to...

 

[Donut]

I'd be happy with just a group shot. Is that asking too much?

That would at least tell us if they have costumes or not

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That very well may happen, but I disagree. IMO, they should not do anything until a fully cgi'd ready to go trailer is ready. Do a major roll out with some of the Fox programming this fall POSSIBLY even some BTS type of stuff with the premiere of one of the Fox series, a great trailer for the Super Bowl, do something similar to what they did with the first movie and the Final Four National Championship...and then begin the individual trailers for each character as they did with the first movie.

But, at this point, unless they have something totally READY TO GO...I would do nothing at Comic-con. It looks to me like they are pushing this toward the General Audience, which may in the end do well for them....but at this point, I don't see them making hard core fans happy with a logo. (In my opinion, that would simply spark the negative banter and bring it to the forefront again). The more I hear and see, the more I feel that they are not looking for the $$$ of the hardcore fans, they are looking for the $$$ of the GA. Maybe some photos of Doom in total gear....that is a possibility and if he is a 616 type of look, I would do that. But doesn't seem to me they are really all that geared to the hard core fans of Comic-con...IF KINBERG he has to think before he opens his mouth, and realize the audience that he is talking to...

I think this may be the logic. They must have some belief that the final product will work, or they wouldn't be spending money to make it.

But if they just bring the cast out without footage or show a logo without backing it up with anything substantial, they could open themselves up to a release of the fan anger and doubt the we've seen so clearly here and other places around the internet.

At first, I thought it was a really bad move and a sign of a lack in faith in what they have, but I'm starting to think it might be wisest to wait until they have something impressive.

I remember I was very underwhelmed with the first DOFP trailer which didn't show much action or special effects and was released right around the time of a Winter Soldier trailer that looked much more impressive.

I still think they could do well with something very simple but substantive - like a glimpse of Doom or a glimpse of the Thing . . . and that could still happen - but I think it does make more sense to wait rather than show unimpressive footage or have the cast out there stumbling through an awkward Q & A.

 

[Tony Stark]

The scary thing is you probably believe that.

I'm not the one that put the film head to head with a Pixar film. Do you think Warner Brothers thought they had a smash hit on their hands with Jonah Hex?

 

[RAE072]

I'd be happy with just a group shot. Is that asking too much?

That's absolutely what should happen. But I doubt it will. Wouldn't take much at all for the whole team to be standing there, in costume, with a fully rendered Thing, looking at the camera.

But I bet they're going the BayTurtles route. Total and complete media blackout as far as anything officially released until the last possible second, 5 months or so before the film actually comes out.

 

[Tony Stark]

For a film that's releasing next summer it's really shocking they have nothing slated at SDCC. This is your best opportunity to prove people wrong and get people excited about the film, and they provide nothing.

Meanwhile Marvel Studios looks to one again be the king of SDCC, with the teaser posters they've been releasing.

 

[JP]

Not shocking in the least bit. Just one of the many things that needs to be spun into a negative for the sake of having another negative.

 

[Zarex]

Not shocking in the least bit. Just one of the many things that needs to be spun into a negative for the sake of having another negative.

In this instance, no spin is required. If you have confidence in your product you show it off in a venue teeming with interested consumers. If not, you turtle.

 

[JP]

K, they're not confident in the film. They weren't confident in First Class either. Or X2... or X-Men. Lionsgate isn't confident in Mockingjay. Disney isn't confident in ANY of their non Marvel films. Basically any studio or movie not showing up is due to nothing more than a lack of confidence.

 

[Zarex]

K, they're not confident in the film. They weren't confident in First Class either. Or X2... or X-Men. Lionsgate isn't confident in Mockingjay. Disney isn't confident in ANY of their non Marvel films. Basically any studio or movie not showing up is due to nothing more than a lack of confidence.

It is not surprising when films based on non-comic properties choose not to show their wares at SDCC. But it is indeed telling when a film licensee rebooting a property that started the Marvel Age of Comics chooses to play hooky, especially after the splash Rupert Murdoch's only film studio (for now) made last year. If people involved with the production were concerned about a poor response, either sell them what you got or pick up a copy or two of The World's Greatest Comic Magazine and make some changes.

 

[JP]

The only X-Men movies to show up at Comic Con were DofP, The Wolverine (both last year) and X-Men Origins. Of those 3, only The Wolverine was a planned panel. The other 2 were surprises.

I don't see how that's an indication of confidence or lack thereof.