Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - - - Part 16

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That has all died down in regards for BvS especially after the release of the Batman pic, leaked teaser and Gal Gadot Wonder Woman reveal. Are they people still skeptical yes, but most have come around. That film is still one of the most anticipated films of 2016. Either way, it's not DOA like this FF reboot where one negative thing comes after another. It'ss just depressing at this point.
 
Agreed. IF that is his true final look (allowing for the possibility it might not be) then the new Doom fails the most basic acid test imo: You need to know its meant to be Doom to even recognise it's meant to be Doom.

That's an extra-ordinary fail imo for a character who has inherent iconic features that are not that hard to get right. Hell, even Corman on a shoe string budget managed to pass that basic acid test. Looked cheap as chips but at least he made the friggin effort. Story put him in duff coat/suit thing, but you could still recognise it was Doom.

Seriously, if the supporters here can forget for a minute they know this film is being made, and they just happened upon that photo without knowing what it was from at all.

Can anyone honestly say they'd think "Oh hell yeah, that's Doctor Doom!"

Personally, I can honestly say I would not.

While it sounds like I'm making excuses here, I'm not; I'm trying to be fair. I personally wouldn't call myself supportive of this film since there's a lot I'm not at all thrilled about. But these photos weren't taken with the intention of us seeing them, so far as we know. So, without all the changes in post or plot points that may explain the look, I can't really say that that's even a picture of Doom since it could be vastly different (in both appearance and context) in the film.
 
teekay said:
After the Wanda and Pietro 'shenanigans', that completely turned me off Ultimate X-Men.

Yeah, that was after the good period. That was from Ultimates 3. The quality fell off a cliff after Ultimates 2.
 
But it still remains consistent and you can tell, oh yeah that Dr Doom alright. All I can see from the leaked pic is a Dark Elf reject. You can't even recognise it as Doom either.If I wasn't told that it was Doom for the FF reboot, honestly speaking I wouldn't even know it was him. It's that bad.:csad:

Agreed. IF that is his true final look (allowing for the possibility it might not be) then the new Doom fails the most basic acid test imo: You need to know its meant to be Doom to even recognise it's meant to be Doom.

That's an extra-ordinary fail imo for a character who has inherent iconic features that are not that hard to get right. Hell, even Corman on a shoe string budget managed to pass that basic acid test. Looked cheap as chips but at least he made the friggin effort. Story put him in duff coat/suit thing, but you could still recognise it was Doom.

Seriously, if the supporters here can forget for a minute they know this film is being made, and they just happened upon that photo without knowing what it was from at all.

Can anyone honestly say they'd think "Oh hell yeah, that's Doctor Doom!"

Personally, I can honestly say I would not.

Same here. I'm clinging to the hope that he looks FAR better in the final product, but if that's really what he's going to look like, it's terrible . . . and I can't believe anyone who truly likes the FF and Doom would feel otherwise.
 
Except for the fact that it does. The hooded cape being the overall only green fabric, the fully metal body and mask. The only thing they got rid of is goat legs(most likely).

Ultimate Doom had a robe thing, the mask wasn't reminiscent of a Dark Elf's, and the goat legs was the one element exclusive to that variant. About the only thing it got right was the full metal body, which isn't exclusive to the Ultimate variant (or for that matter, any armored character).


Or maybe those people are just smart enough to realize that while something may not be a carbon copy from the comic, it can be a clear influence.......
It's not unreasonable to expect something beyond the superficial to at least qualify for the adjective "clear", though.
Eh, the mask's look change from artist to artist. Personally I like the movie mask from what we can see. It looks like a Death Eater mask from the Harry Potter series.
Just look at Drz's "Pantheon of Doom" pictures. There's a recurring design template that's not present in the leaked design.

After Transformers and TMNT I don't think anyone should speculate on the success of a movie prior to it's release. Those movies got bad reviews hated by fans while in production then came out and made a **** load of money.

Except FF won't have the Midas touch of Michael Bay, recognizable stars, the dumb humor and spectacle that these audiences like to eat up, and strong brands like that of the Transformers and Turtles. Plus they weren't dumb enough to schedule their movie against multiple movies that can steal their money-making demos (Turtles only had GOTG to contend with, and that was on the previous week).

It is interesting that some proponents of this film are already bringing up the Transformers/Turtles comparisons, as if despite their positivity they're already resigned to this film sucking and are just banking on the "even bad films make lots of money" phenomenon to salvage things.
 
Ultimate Doom had a robe thing, the mask wasn't reminiscent of a Dark Elf's, and the goat legs was the one element exclusive to that variant. About the only thing it got right was the full metal body, which isn't exclusive to the Ultimate variant (or for that matter, any armored character).

It's not unreasonable to expect something beyond the superficial to at least qualify for the adjective "clear", though.
Just look at Drz's "Pantheon of Doom" pictures. There's a recurring design template that's not present in the leaked design.



Except FF won't have the Midas touch of Michael Bay, recognizable stars, the dumb humor and spectacle that these audiences like to eat up, and strong brands like that of the Transformers and Turtles. Plus they weren't dumb enough to schedule their movie against multiple movies that can steal their money-making demos (Turtles only had GOTG to contend with, and that was on the previous week).

It is interesting that some proponents of this film are already bringing up the Transformers/Turtles comparisons, as if despite their positivity they're already resigned to this film sucking and are just banking on the "even bad films make lots of money" phenomenon to salvage things.

It's not a phenomenon, I'm making a point that no one has a crystal ball on what will be profitable and what won't. There are great movies that bomb and that's been going on for decades ,hence the term cult classic. Till I see something official I haven't made up my mind if I'll see it or not.
 
The Transformers films are an exception. I'm sure people are well aware of what they're getting when they walk in to see these films. The TF and TMNT have been more popular and successful properties, hence why they make money despite of critical reception. They're very self aware of what they are.
 
I like the Dr. Doom look. Is it the design I would prefer? No. Is it the one I would've went with? No. But it has a creepy, sorta malformed grotty look that I love. In a "coming-of age story", it makes sense for him not to have the most traditional costume (Lame excuse?) and the origin of his suit/Armor being magically forged will probably be saved for a sequel if he's to return.

And did any one else think of Hobgoblin?
 
It's not a phenomenon, I'm making a point that no one has a crystal ball on what will be profitable and what won't. There are great movies that bomb and that's been going on for decades ,hence the term cult classic. Till I see something official I haven't made up my mind if I'll see it or not.

You don't need a crystal ball, just a rudimentary understanding of box office trends. And scheduling a low budget reboot of a weak brand at the same time against big budget tentpoles of two strong brands is a recipe for box office disaster. And those cult classics don't have a requirement that they be successfully or else their rights revert.
 
Physics. And photographic proof... they're done filming and none of that happened

85% of the movie Jamie Bell would be CGI'ed so while I would've wanted a more burly physique for Ben, I suppose it wont matter too much. Honestly, I really hope he developed a New York accent.
 
Sad state of affairs when people are hoping this will do like tge Turtles(which I happen to like) and Transformers in that the movie was skewered by fans and critics, yet made bank.

This is nowhere near that. This movie doesn't have one or two movies around to contend with, it's in June opening with a Pixar film and sandwiched in between Jurassic World and Ted 2. Doesn't have big names like Mark Wahlberg and Megan Fox. Doesn't have a Michael Bay type person attached to it. Doesn't have the decades of cartoons and toy lines attached to it.

Fox need to throw in the towel already.
 
Sad state of affairs when people are hoping this will do like tge Turtles(which I happen to like) and Transformers in that the movie was skewered by fans and critics, yet made bank.

This is nowhere near that. This movie doesn't have one or two movies around to contend with, it's in June opening with a Pixar film and sandwiched in between Jurassic World and Ted 2. Doesn't have big names like Mark Wahlberg and Megan Fox. Doesn't have a Michael Bay type person attached to it. Doesn't have the decades of cartoons and toy lines attached to it.

Fox need to throw in the towel already.

But does it need any of that? Fantastic Four itself is a popular property due to the last two films (Financially they did well) and comic fans in general. Not to mention the ever lasting growth in anticipation for the super hero genre; it's the biggest it's ever been.
 
But does it need any of that? Fantastic Four itself is a popular property due to the last two films (Financially they did well) and comic fans in general. Not to mention the ever lasting growth in anticipation for the super hero genre; it's the biggest it's ever been.
Didn't stop Green Lantern, Conan, and Cowboys and Aliens all from underperforming. Let's not forget the last film for FF underperformed aswell. This movie has to be good to reignite the flame lest it ends up like Sin City 2.
 
But does it need any of that? Fantastic Four itself is a popular property due to the last two films (Financially they did well) and comic fans in general. Not to mention the ever lasting growth in anticipation for the super hero genre; it's the biggest it's ever been.

They didn't do that well. The last one didn't even break $300 million worldwide on a $130 million production budget.
 
How the people on this board reacted when the Dr.Doom costume pic was leaked.
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But does it need any of that? Fantastic Four itself is a popular property due to the last two films (Financially they did well) and comic fans in general. Not to mention the ever lasting growth in anticipation for the super hero genre; it's the biggest it's ever been.

It's nowhere near as popular as Turtles and Transformers. The last two FF movies left a bad taste in peoples mouths so this on isn't going to get people excited, plus this is getting Green Lantern type buzz and they haven't released an official still or the plot. Not even a logo.

Being a superhero movie doesn't mean squat, look at Green Lantern.
 
But does it need any of that? Fantastic Four itself is a popular property due to the last two films (Financially they did well) and comic fans in general. Not to mention the ever lasting growth in anticipation for the super hero genre; it's the biggest it's ever been.

FF didn't even crack 350 WW at a time when superhero movies weren't as ubiquitous as they are now, and it decreased with the second film. Now it's a low level reboot of a weak brand, either of which can guarantee a mediocre box office by itself. But putting it on the same time as two big budget films of strong brands is asking for a slaughter.
 
it's in June opening with a Pixar film and sandwiched in between Jurassic World and Ted 2.

Even if I close my eyes and pretend I'm living in some fantasy realm where this joke might actually turn out good, it still gets creamed by virtue of release date. Ted 2 will be there to clean up whatever sloppy remains are left after Pixar and JP steamroll it.
 
Just ask Edge of Tomorrow how it feels trying to scrape your way to 100 million domestic because you had Maleficent the previous week, The Fault of Our Stars on the same week, and 22 Jump Street and How To Train Your Dragon 2 on the following week.

Makes me wonder how Apocalypse is going to fare against Alice 2 and Turtles 2 at the same time two years from now.
 
It's nowhere near as popular as Turtles and Transformers. The last two FF movies left a bad taste in peoples mouths so this on isn't going to get people excited, plus this is getting Green Lantern type buzz and they haven't released an official still or the plot. Not even a logo.

Being a superhero movie doesn't mean squat, look at Green Lantern.

Being a superhero movie means everything! When was the last major superhero movie that made less than 300 mill? And the previous Fantastic Four movies left a bad taste in peoples mouth primarily for comic book fans, and even than I've met some who've liked it. And be realistic the movies weren't necessarily a bad representation of the FF. Weak script and for some dull performances are to blame honestly.

And go back and look at the hate for Transformers 4, now go back and look at how much the movie made. Over a billion. That argument becomes less and less valid.

Hell, go look at the doubt factor for Days of Future Past; which ended up being one of the best comic book movies ever.

A trailer or two will get people excited, or at least curious. The only reason this movie is getting hate in the first place are because of the deviations which result in people blatantly ignoring the HUGE talent from both cast AND crew. I'll reiterate, this movie will go under the radar and become buried in hate that more than likely it's going to become a huge hit. It's been happening often.
 
FF didn't even crack 350 WW at a time when superhero movies weren't as ubiquitous as they are now, and it decreased with the second film. Now it's a low level reboot of a weak brand, either of which can guarantee a mediocre box office by itself. But putting it on the same time as two big budget films of strong brands is asking for a slaughter.

To be fair, unlike most huge movies today, it didn't benefit from the addition of 3D or IMAX.
 
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