Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - - - Part 16

[justanotherguy]

Actually I believe the deadline is very much an issue.

 

[Farren]

I think early 2016 is probably the way to go. Get a leg up on BvS. Avoid the MCU sandwich in 2015. It's a no brainer. I am sure the deadline, which we don't even know the exact date of, is a non-issue.

Why do you think it's a non-issue?

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Yeah, I would push it to Feb 2016 not 2015

 

[RAE072]

Actually I believe the deadline is very much an issue.

Is there a twinge of panic on set?

I bet there is.

 

[Mr.M]

Why do you think it's a non-issue?

I don't think it is safe to assume one way or another. Everyone believed the deadline for MoS was it had to be out before the end of 2012, and it was still released the following year. It's a different case all together, but nonetheless, if Fox has the movie complete, it is insane to think they wouldn't be able to adjust the release date a few months here or there. Maybe Disney could file an injunction, but we simply shouldn't assume it has to be out next summer or else. As of now, it's too early for Fox to panic, especially when the Disney films due out in 2015 haven't really ramped up their own marketing campaigns.

Keep in mind the Wachowski's Jupiter Ascending bumped up from July of this season to February next year, and now they can tap into that Valentine's Day market with Tatum and Kunis. Otherwise it would have been yet another flop for them had it came out this summer (although it will still probably underperform).

So even though this is still a fanboy film meant for the summer, I still like an early 2016 release for it.

 

[Orba]

I don't think it is safe to assume one way or another. Everyone believed the deadline for MoS was it had to be out before the end of 2012, and it was still released the following year. It's a different case all together, but nonetheless, if Fox has the movie complete, it is insane to think they wouldn't be able to adjust the release date a few months here or there. Maybe Disney could file an injunction, but we simply shouldn't assume it has to be out next summer or else. As of now, it's too early for Fox to panic, especially when the Disney films due out in 2015 haven't really ramped up their own marketing campaigns.

I don't think you can use MoS as a comparison, the only deadline for it was that they had to have production started by 2011 or the Shuster and Siegel families could sue, but there was no deadline on when the film had to be released.

Also the issue there was about lost revenue due to the film being delayed, the Shuster/Siegel familes wanted it to happen and would have been willing to give extra time if they saw that production was going on, Disney on the other hand has no interest in this film being made and no interest in giving Fox extra time.

 

[747]

I'm not too bothered by the change of skin color with Torch. I personally don't feel it changes the spirit, iconography or dynamic of it all too much – even in relation to his status as a character. It's main purpose of bringing more racial diversity is nice in itself, though not necessarily enough for one to have to like the change.

But I'm still skeptical towards this project (even if I'm a big fan of Chronicle) as I'm not at all convinced that a more grounded, gritty take is anywhere near the right approach for Fantastic Four. Feels like a too drastic reaction towards the overly kiddie Tim Story movies.

 

[Human Torch]

I thought release was never an issue.Didn't Corman make his film because it needed to be in production by a certain date to keep the rights,as opposed to having the film released by a certain date?The film was never meant to be seen,but they still kept the rights because of it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought release was never an issue.Didn't Corman make his film because it needed to be in production by a certain date to keep the rights,as opposed to having the film released by a certain date?The film was never meant to be seen,but they still kept the rights because of it.

Yeah, if we were going by release, then the Roger Corman version was never released at all, so that should have reverted the rights to Marvel ages ago.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah I'd hope marvels contracts wouldve been reworked so that the film must be released in theatres. If not then thats a scary deal when a studio can make a movie and not release it yet still keep the rights.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I thought release was never an issue.Didn't Corman make his film because it needed to be in production by a certain date to keep the rights,as opposed to having the film released by a certain date?The film was never meant to be seen,but they still kept the rights because of it.

I distinctly remember reading something a long time ago that stated the contracts were reworked so something like that could never happen again.

 

[Orba]

Yeah, and isn't Tom Rothman famous for saying htat if he had to he would pump out the films on the cheap and put them up at a single cinema in-order to make sure that the rights never reverted.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah, and isn't Tom Rothman famous for saying htat if he had to he would pump out the films on the cheap and put them up at a single cinema in-order to make sure that the rights never reverted.

Yes I remember that as well. Rothman is gone but obviously the spirit carries on.

 

[Orba]

Yes I remember that as well. Rothman is gone but obviously the spirit carries on.

Yup but also the fact that he included that the films needed to be released and screened (even if only a single screening at a single cinema) would put weight behind the contracts requiring that now.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah, and isn't Tom Rothman famous for saying htat if he had to he would pump out the films on the cheap and put them up at a single cinema in-order to make sure that the rights never reverted.

Did he actually say that?

 

[Zarex]

Yeah, and isn't Tom Rothman famous for saying htat if he had to he would pump out the films on the cheap and put them up at a single cinema in-order to make sure that the rights never reverted.

I believe it was an unidentified FOX executive quoted prior to the Disney buy out. It could have been Rothman, but it probably wasn't.

In any case, the issue is moot. No US theater owner would be willing to risk a lifetime ban on screening Marvel, Pixar, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Pirates and Disney Animation releases at their cinema in order to do FOX a solid.

 

[Farren]

I believe it was an unidentified FOX executive quoted prior to the Disney buy out. It could have been Rothman, but it probably wasn't.

In any case, the issue is moot. No US theater owner would be willing to risk a lifetime ban on screening Marvel, Pixar, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Pirates and Disney Animation releases at their cinema in order to do FOX a solid.

I'm sure Fox could have found a rinky dink theater about to close down anyway and come up with some sort of arrangement.

But I agree with you that it wouldn't ever come to fruition. I don't think Fox would have the gonads to do it, and it would just be bad business. These studios may be cut-throat competitors, but they do have to have working relationships and maintain the status quo that keeps them all afloat. And that means actually making movies to sell instead of pushing property and money around. That may work on Wall Street. But not in Hollywood.

Honestly it probably WOULD be something a Fox would say though, given their business skills.

 

[wobbly]

I distinctly remember reading something a long time ago that stated the contracts were reworked so something like that could never happen again.

I think it was Avi Arid who went on record about that, so yes, while Fox would be utterly insane to try to pull that same stunt, it couldn't happen anyway.

As far as the time scales go I recall reading there are constraints on deadlines beyond the onset of principle photography (which is just the first one that has to met). They have so much time to do that photography, so much time to do post, then a deadline for release. These are all in place to prevent the studio starting the filming then just sitting on it for as long they want.

I would not be surprised if the release date next year isn't that far off from the last deadline. I think a lot of any wriggle room they had might have been lost when they pushed its release back from March.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Late to the party but just recently saw the Doom pics. I think this movie is going to surprise a lot of people but from the pic it looks like Doom is wearing a camo onsie with a trash bag on his head.

The Thing looks great though so maybe it's just cuz its not a great quality picture. Maybe the suit is part CGI?

What Thing pics is everyone seeing?! Is it just that one pic of the stand in type thing that was on set?!

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yes the set pic with that gray Thing bust. Ugh. if only it was orange.

I really wonder what the dynamic between Johnny and ben will be like, does it somehow change now that ben doesn't already start as a bigger brute of a guy?

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

To quote my favorite little monstrosity, "Oh... Yeah."

And although io9 may be right, that people like the movie because it's funny, I like to believe it's because WE GAVE A ****. You aren't numbers to us. You deserve to be given something we the creators believe in and that isn't just seeking a big opening weekend. I love my characters, I care about the quality of the movie, and Marvel was cool enough to let us take some risks.

Hopefully, THAT'S the lesson - that we'll see more spectacle movies coming out of Hollywood that the filmmakers actually believe in, and that take risks, NOT just a bunch of superhero or space movies trying to be funny.

James Gunn responding on Facebook to Guardians becoming the highest grossing movie of the year. This. And this. And this.

 

[psylockolussus]

heard yesterday that they are doing some reshoots.

Thats good to hear if true.

 

[Dasher10]

Reshoots will probably just be pickups and additional scenes. We're most likely not getting a new Doom costume.

 

[psylockolussus]

Reshoots will probably just be pickups and additional scenes. We're most likely not getting a new Doom costume.

Oh I definitely don't think that would happen if ever do a reshoot or pick-ups. But its just nice to hear that they might be doing more filming for the film.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

James Gunn responding on Facebook to Guardians becoming the highest grossing movie of the year. This. And this. And this.

Gunn hit it right on the head with that.