Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - - - - Part 16

[CyclopsWasRight]

In fact part of the reason I prefer the sequel is because Thor is actually "Thor" for the entire film.

That was a lot better.

Similarly, we are three (four if you count Corman) films into the Fantastic Four movie run and we are still exploring them being grounded, figuring out their powers, coming of age yada yada? That doesn't interest me in the least. I'm ready for something Fantastic. Let's get to the good stuff already.

I get that, I agree. Thing is, and it's the same with ASM is that to be their own thing they need to differentiate from the previous versions and the two ways of doing that is to retell the story from the start and different from before and be a different feel.

Even Batman Begins did that, back to the origin and a darker tone to distinguish it, Man of Steel too. Heck even Captain America was darker and back to the origin from the first cap movie.

I think that's why they're going for a more UFF feel so as to distinguish it from the previous movies. Once the origin stuff is out of the way we can get to the more juicy stuff in the sequels

Private or not, you can show some enthusiasm.

Well if he was online and posting about all sorts but ignored talking about Fantastic Four then that's be weird but his online presence is essentially null.

 

[Dark Raven]

That was a lot better.



I get that, I agree. Thing is, and it's the same with ASM is that to be their own thing they need to differentiate from the previous versions and the two ways of doing that is to retell the story from the start and different from before and be a different feel. Even Batman Begins did that, back to the origin and a darker tone to distinguish it, Man of Steel too. Heck even Captain America was darker and back to the origin from the first cap movie.

I think that's why they're going for a more UFF feel so as to distinguish it from the previous movies. Once the origin stuff is out of the way we can get to the more juicy stuff in the sequels

You're assuming a sequel will even get green lighted after the way they've made their film, and that anyone will even want to see it. Since Fox will have been able to hold onto the rights, they also don't even need to make a sequel to this piece of crap (and probably won't want to, since they don't even want to make this film) but can just let it sit on the shelf gathering dust for the next 7 years, by which time they'll probably try to reboot it again and will be even further away from the FF than now (if they can possibly do that).

And when we have to sit through another origin, you'll be saying again "just wait until the sequel - that's when we'll get to the juicy stuff."

 

[TeeKay]

So was changing Heimdall and Korath, people got over that when the movies came out.

Ye because those characters are well more popular and are the main stars of their own franchises right? That's like comparing a character like Selvig to Tony Stark. Don't compare supporting minor characters that people don't really care about to a major main character like Johnny Storm.

Because obscure supporting cast and minor villains are the same as a well known character who has been one of the stars of the property for over 60 years.

Thank you.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I think that's why they're going for a more UFF feel so as to distinguish it from the previous movies. Once the origin stuff is out of the way we can get to the more juicy stuff in the sequels

I personally think the pendulum has swung in the wrong direction in that regard but it is what it is. Just have to wait and see how this all turns out at this point. But damn that "Dark Elf hobo in a sari" Doom pic was so awful, I have nothing but the lowest expectations.

 

[Human Torch]

Whenever I hear the tired "Nothing about Johnny Storm needs to be white" line,I can't help but wonder how they would feel if the opposite were happining.

Nothing about Cyborg needs to be black.Given his origin,what would change if we made him white?

In before "There's so few black heroes,why are you trying to take one away from us?"

 

[Human Torch]

The Dark World is my favorite of Phase 2.Yeah,there was some less than stellar stuff in there,but I thought it was very compelling.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The Dark World is my favorite of Phase 2.Yeah,there was some less than stellar stuff in there,but I thought it was very compelling.

Agreed! I give this comment two hammers up.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

You're assuming a sequel will even get green lighted after the way they've made their film, and that anyone will even want to see it. Since Fox will have been able to hold onto the rights, they also don't even need to make a sequel to this piece of crap (and probably won't want to, since they don't even want to make this film) but can just let it sit on the shelf gathering dust for the next 7 years, by which time they'll probably try to reboot it again and will be even further away from the FF than now (if they can possibly do that).

And when we have to sit through another origin, you'll be saying again "just wait until the sequel - that's when we'll get to the juicy stuff."

No blockbuster movies these days are made to be the only one. You may not like the idea of this movie and will only see it illegally but you can bet they'll want to make it into a lasting franchise.

 

[Orba]

Private or not, you can show some enthusiasm.

Recently I've started finding that I'm not sure how much blame I can throw at Trank over the way this film is going. If the rumours are true in the last year he has had the script from his chosen writers dumped, his budget butchered, the studio go behind his back and try to replace him, as well as the studio generally show very little interest in the film and giving it very little support. All round that has the makings of a really lousy working environment, certainly not the kind of one that would encourage you to do your best work.

Of course we might get more information about whats going on and I will find something to blame him for t:

 

[StarkTheProdigy]

Recently I've started finding that I'm not sure how much blame I can throw at Trank over the way this film is going. If the rumours are true in the last year he has had the script from his chosen writers dumped, his budget butchered, the studio go behind his back and try to replace him, as well as the studio generally show very little interest in the film and giving it very little support. All round that has the makings of a really lousy working environment, certainly not the kind of one that would encourage you to do your best work.

Of course we might get more information about whats going on and I will find something to blame him for t:

Oh, I wasn't meant to come off as blaming him. The whole thing is a mess

 

[TeeKay]

Recently I've started finding that I'm not sure how much blame I can throw at Trank over the way this film is going. If the rumours are true in the last year he has had the script from his chosen writers dumped, his budget butchered, the studio go behind his back and try to replace him, as well as the studio generally show very little interest in the film and giving it very little support. All round that has the makings of a really lousy working environment, certainly not the kind of one that would encourage you to do your best work.

Of course we might get more information about whats going on and I will find something to blame him for t:

That was just priceless. Adding way more salt to the wound. Shows that even Fox didn't have complete faith in him. Wow.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Recently I've started finding that I'm not sure how much blame I can throw at Trank over the way this film is going. If the rumours are true in the last year he has had the script from his chosen writers dumped, his budget butchered, the studio go behind his back and try to replace him, as well as the studio generally show very little interest in the film and giving it very little support. All round that has the makings of a really lousy working environment, certainly not the kind of one that would encourage you to do your best work.

Of course we might get more information about whats going on and I will find something to blame him for t:

That's a big if. One or two may be true, doubt all are.

 

[Dark Raven]

No blockbuster movies these days are made to be the only one. You may not like the idea of this movie and will only see it illegally but you can bet they'll want to make it into a lasting franchise.

The thing is Fox don't even want to make THIS movie in the first place, so wanting to make it into a franchise means even more of this half hearted effort. And you're calling FFINO a blockbuster movie?

Recently I've started finding that I'm not sure how much blame I can throw at Trank over the way this film is going. If the rumours are true in the last year he has had the script from his chosen writers dumped, his budget butchered, the studio go behind his back and try to replace him, as well as the studio generally show very little interest in the film and giving it very little support. All round that has the makings of a really lousy working environment, certainly not the kind of one that would encourage you to do your best work.

Of course we might get more information about whats going on and I will find something to blame him for t:

I blame Trank for the Elektra movie. And the Green Lantern movie. Also for the Tim Burton Planet of the Apes reboot.

 

[Orba]

Oh, I wasn't meant to come off as blaming him. The whole thing is a mess

Hehe I know

 

[TeeKay]

That's a big if. One or two may be true, doubt all are.

Considering all the leaked synopsis and stuff that leaked out turned out be true, I'm not taking anything with a grain of salt when it comes to this film. Far too many things have come out as being true.

 

[Mike Murdock]

You're assuming a sequel will even get green lighted after the way they've made their film

My understanding is a sequel has already been greenlit. Fox might change their minds, but that's my understanding of current plans.

 

[Dark Raven]

My understanding is a sequel has already been greenlit. Fox might change their minds, but that's my understanding of current plans.

They're counting their chickens before they've hatched if that is the case. It's not like early tests have shown that it's likely to be a sure-fire hit or is looking very positive so far. If anything, they've had a ton of negative reactions and publicity. Their so-called green lighting of the sequel sounds like a load of hot air to give the appearance of confidence in their product.

Trank certainly wouldn't be working on any sequel since Disney have recruited him, and what other director would want to work on this POS, especially to have to make it in a similar style to this one?

 

[starscream22]

They're counting their chickens before they've hatched if that is the case. It's not like early tests have shown that it's likely to be a sure-fire hit or is looking very positive so far. If anything, they've had a ton of negative reactions and publicity. Their so-called green lighting of the sequel sounds like a load of hot air to give the appearance of confidence in their product.

Trank certainly wouldn't be working on any sequel since Disney have recruited him, and what other director would want to work on this POS, especially to have to make it in a similar style to this one?

They don't even have a definitive name for the first film.

I believe the contract stipulates that it must have the name in the title in order to retain the rights, so what are the the odds of Fox and Disney working $omething out resulting in FOX calling this film something other than Fantastic Four allowing the contract to run out and the rights to revert....?

As flaky and dismissive as FOX is with this project that might've been what they were angling to do anyway.

 

[Dark Raven]

They don't even have a definitive name for the first film.

I believe the contract stipulates that it must have the name in the title in order to retain the rights, so what are the the odds of Fox and Disney working $omething out resulting in FOX calling this film something other than Fantastic Four allowing the contract to run out and the rights to revert....?

As flaky and dismissive as FOX is with this project that might've been what they were angling to do anyway.

Maybe Fox will just call it "Four"

Or perhaps Trank has shot 2 different takes of the same script, one with all the names changed, so that they can easily change it to Chronicle 2 at the drop of a hat if the need arises. Maybe the reason it strays so far from the source material is that, if they do want to change the name of the film (but still keep the footage), it looks different enough from Fantastic Four that it can pass for another story about 4 people with disabilities without the general audience knowing it is meant to be the FF.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

They'd be crazy to do that because if it ain't marvels F4 then the rights go bye bye. Then after that they get sued for copyright infringement lol like that video game company that made city of heroes lol.

 

[starscream22]

That was just priceless. Adding way more salt to the wound. Shows that even Fox didn't have complete faith in him. Wow.

Yeah, Fox did come out to say that Trank was still in the chair but I really think it should've come out of Tranks mouth instead of some random Fox exec.

Plus I would think that any Starwars film spinoff off or sequel would be coveted by some of the most seasoned directors. So for Disney to just throw him out of all people this job a few weeks after this rumor leaked speaks volumes.

It gives plausibility to the notion that all is NOT well at Team Fox-Marvel.

 

[TeeKay]

They're counting their chickens before they've hatched if that is the case. It's not like early tests have shown that it's likely to be a sure-fire hit or is looking very positive so far. If anything, they've had a ton of negative reactions and publicity. Their so-called green lighting of the sequel sounds like a load of hot air to give the appearance of confidence in their product.

Trank certainly wouldn't be working on any sequel since Disney have recruited him, and what other director would want to work on this POS, especially to have to make it in a similar style to this one?

 

[Dark Raven]

They'd be crazy to do that because if it ain't marvels F4 then the rights go bye bye. Then after that they get sued for copyright infringement lol like that video game company that made city of heroes lol.

I'm suggesting they could do that if they did indeed lose the rights, but wanted to not completely waste the footage they filmed (which was probably not much). They just change all the names to something else but keep the plot of two kids being used as government weapons from a young age (which doesn't sound like FF anyway) who meet another couple of people (a white woman and black man - again, which bears no resemblance to the FF).

They can also encounter a hobo Iranian refugee along the way dressed in rags with a sari around his/her head. Since it doesn't look anything like Doom, Marvel will have a tough case proving passing off because the judge will see the complete lack of resemblance to their own classic villain.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah, Fox did come out to say that Trank was still in the chair but I really think it should've come out of Tranks mouth instead of some random Fox exec.

Plus I would think that any Starwars film spinoff off or sequel would be coveted by some of the most seasoned directors. So for Disney to just throw him out of all people this job a few weeks after this rumor leaked speaks volumes.

It gives plausibility to the notion that all is NOT well at Team Fox-Marvel.

I agree definately. I guess we'll have to see next year. This might be the first CBM I won't be paying to see in cinemas. With all these things happening, my expectations (not that I really had any to begin with) keep getting lower. Who knows, it could be great but I'm gonna wait until the reviews start coming in before even considering buying a ticket.

 

[Paradox1]

They'd be crazy to do that because if it ain't marvels F4 then the rights go bye bye. Then after that they get sued for copyright infringement lol like that video game company that made city of heroes lol.

You mean that same video company that Marvel struck a deal to make Marvel Universe Online.