Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 2

[El Hombre Gato]

I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

Green Arrow is a badass. CK on Smallville was not. It almost seems like this show is being made for people who were frustrated by Smallville.

 

[Anno_Domini]

So just because they're making Green Arrow a "badass" it means that Arrow is the Anti-Smallville?

 

[Human Torch]

This show is like the Anti-Smallville.

I sure hope that's the case.

 

[S. Grundy]

So just because they're making Green Arrow a "badass" it means that Arrow is the Anti-Smallville?

It depends on how much they embrace that this is based on a comic book., Because with Smallville there was a real feeling that the show runners were embarrassed that they were making a comic book show.

 

[Human Torch]

It's a tough call,because Smallville eventually embraced every costumed hero apart from the "top 5",but Arrow is already saying no "powered up" characters.Who's to say which is better at this point.

 

[Ultimatehero]

It depends on how much they embrace that this is based on a comic book., Because with Smallville there was a real feeling that the show runners were embarrassed that they were making a comic book show.

???
Clones.
Earth 2.
Justice League.
Costumed comic villains.
Monsters like Doomsday.
...

How is that NOT embracing comics?

That CK didn't have the suit? He had a COSTUME come Season 8 I believe it was. He was a costumed hero. The series was showing how he got the costume in the end. That's the only part from the comics that wasn't in the series.

I'm excited for this series but seriously hope they stick to the comics rather than being gritty and realistic all the time. The other heroes, eh, it's ok if they don't appear. BUT the Green Lantern?! He should DEFINITELY become involved at some point in a later season.

Basically SV fully embraced being comic book driven, this seems to be shying away from it just like Nolan's Batman did. The opposite of your post.

 

[El Hombre Gato]

???
Clones.
Earth 2.
Justice League.
Costumed comic villains.
Monsters like Doomsday.
...

How is that NOT embracing comics?

That CK didn't have the suit? He had a COSTUME come Season 8 I believe it was. He was a costumed hero. The series was showing how he got the costume in the end. That's the only part from the comics that wasn't in the series.

What you're describing is seasons 8 thru 10. That's only 3 years of the entire decade in which the series ran. For the bulk of the show (seasons 1 thru 7) they definitely downplayed the comic book aspect of the character. Smallville was essentially a typical WB/CW teen drama with a fantasy element. It fit perfectly into the Buffy/Charmed mold.

Arrow, however, is being a superhero action-adventure series from the getgo. So, it is the Anti-Smallville.

 

[Ultimatehero]

So...

Super powered villains every week.
Mr. Mzyzktlopkik
The Flash
Aquaman
Green Arrow
The Fortress of Solitude
The number of times the cape appeared
Brainiac

These were all shying away from the source material? Really? How so?

Now I'm excited for Arrow but from the off-set we know it's placed in a realistic world with realistic takes on these villains and that it's being Nolanized. Plus it's been said no other heroes will be making an appeared IN SPITE of Arrow being intrinsically linked to the Green Lantern and that being the TOP running arc of the 70s!

Basically how can you sit there and say this show is embracing it when it's Nolanizing everything and Smallville didn't?

 

[Anno_Domini]

BUT the Green Lantern?! He should DEFINITELY become involved at some point in a later season.

Don't get your hopes up for that. Imo, I'm fine with GL not being involved because I'm totally fine with the idea of Arrow being this very realistic take with no superhuman heroes or villains.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Well the thing said was ARROW is EMBRACING comic books while SMALLVILLE was embarrassed of it. When from what we know Arrow is AVOIDING it while SV always had super powered villains, and STARTED hero cameos from season 4 on up (not 8).

Did it shy away from being a superhero action show? Yes, because that's really what it wasn't about till the end. It was about Clark Kent growing up. But it DID embrace the world of comic books a lot more.

The Green Lantern reference was more a point of why the 'no super powered heroes' thing DOESN'T quite make sense if it wasn't shying away from the comics for a realistic take. Since in Arrow's library those are amongst the top issues. Batman, superman, etc wouldn't make sense. But Green Lantern does and due to the film not working out is most likely open.

Excited for new take but if you're saying it's anti-smallville because it's fully embracing the comics (not for being an action oriented show) then yeah, there is plenty incorrect with said statement and plenty of evidence to back that up.

 

[sethypants]

Don't get your hopes up for that. Imo, I'm fine with GL not being involved because I'm totally fine with the idea of Arrow being this very realistic take with no superhuman heroes or villains.

i had a dream that hal jordan appeared in arrow but not as green lantern. I'll be cool with that

 

[protocida]

^ They said that could happen.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Don't get your hopes up for that. Imo, I'm fine with GL not being involved because I'm totally fine with the idea of Arrow being this very realistic take with no superhuman heroes or villains.

This is what I was expecting as well. It'd have the same sort of gritty realistic feel to it that's so popular these days, and even better because it'd be on TV and not a movie (and thus not a TDK-knock off or Iron Man hopeful). Sure you get more restrictions on TV but no one wants him to become the Punisher. It could very well be a really good look into how that sort of urban vigilante came about and go beyond its comic roots and embrace its pulp heritage.

Unfortunately, it seems that they really want to bring in as many superheroes heroes and villains as they can.

Well the thing said was ARROW is EMBRACING comic books while SMALLVILLE was embarrassed of it. When from what we know Arrow is AVOIDING it while SV always had super powered villains, and STARTED hero cameos from season 4 on up (not 8).

Did it shy away from being a superhero action show? Yes, because that's really what it wasn't about till the end. It was about Clark Kent growing up. But it DID embrace the world of comic books a lot more.

See, I'm a huge fan of SV and I was fine with it being a CK-centered show about teen angst and how he learns to cope and become a superhero. Rosenbaum's Lex as a pal of Superman when they were younger? That was BRILLIANT! And I agree that it embraced its comic roots much more -- this instance of Lex, the many coloured kryptonites, all of it just goes back to the Silver Age, an era of comics that I'm sure only the writers were aware of. Which meant they were in love with the characters themselves. They realised it rather well into the screen. The only issue I had with the show was that its quality of writing waned near the end. It wasn't because it was "comic-booky"

I mean hell, we're talking about a live-action show that gave us the JSA and a superhero team up of Superman, the Flash, Aquaman, and the Green Arrow wayy before Marvel came up with the Avengers. There's gotta be some credit to that from the fans.

I loved Hartley's GA - and him appearing as a regular near the end felt like reading an issue with a back-up feature after the main story.

i had a dream that hal jordan appeared in arrow but not as green lantern. I'll be cool with that

Well seeing as how the same writers and producers on GL are on this, with the same love for Gossip Girls (or is it women?) I wouldn't be surprised. If they do bring him on they should adapt the O'Neil/Adams issues to a tee. I'm sorry, anything else would be insulting.

A superhero show where Oliver and Hal talk about politics? SIGN ME ON.

The only risk all these cameos and appearances have, in my opinion, is that it shifts the attention from Oliver himself. I want to be excited, at least in season 1, to watch Ollie on the show, not Huntress. They already got Black Canary as a regular. That's fine since she's such an important character to him in the comics as well, but seriously? Crossovers before establishing his stand-alone show? No WB. Just no.

Unless you want to make this your answer to Marvel's Avengers and keep away from that rushed JLA project. Then I say. YAY WB. YAY.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I see this having the same "Brave and the Bold" type episodes that were seen in Smallville. But with the more "vigilante" types, and at a push Hal Jordan, while the "superhero" types are kept for Amazon.

The aim for DCE is to get as many characters as possible on screen.

I guess another question is will this (or Amazon?) tie into WB's supposed cinematic universe?

 

[Primal Slayer]

No way these will tie into the movies. Just a way to get the characters noticed.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Actually, yeah, hopefully WB won't do this whole Justice League flick so arse from elbow backwards that they don't begin it with there tentpole, but a TV show. I just don't want 2 incarnations of the same character around, but I guess that applies more to Wonder Woman than Green Arrow, since he's too similar to Batman and likely wouldn't get featured in the franchise.

 

[The Squirrel]

It's going to be a wasted opportunity to not have this show and Amazon cross over.

 

[charl_huntress]

I would LOVE a HUNTRESS cartoon. She has sooo much untapped potential.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Birds of Prey Animated, my friend. Birds of Prey Animated.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I see this having the same "Brave and the Bold" type episodes that were seen in Smallville. But with the more "vigilante" types, and at a push Hal Jordan, while the "superhero" types are kept for Amazon.

The aim for DCE is to get as many characters as possible on screen.

I guess another question is will this (or Amazon?) tie into WB's supposed cinematic universe?

I'd love it if they have an approach like that! But instead of calling it "vigilante" and "superhero" I guess the producers would be thinking "realism and fantasy" -- though not to split hairs but I'd have preferred your distinction more.

At the end of the day what worked in Smallville was the fact that they didn't appear until the audience was already deeply invested into the show. But let's see what happens. They do seem to be pushing it... to the point where it seems that they're trying to compete with Marvel Studios. And that'd just be pathetic (not because DC'd get a down-sized version or anything, imo they already had that in SV. It'd be pathetic because they'd be trying to imitate their rivals when they could just prove themselves better by sticking to one superhero and really excelling in the take).

No way these will tie into the movies. Just a way to get the characters noticed.

Which is fine by me. If Amazons evolves into a related but stand-alone Wonder Woman movie, I'd be all up for it. But a more original approach would be to just keep these series on their own, and maybe make a movie that centers on a much older iteration of the character that doesn't concern these "early adventures" while still acknowledges the fundamental mythology of the characters. Like Hulk and TIH.

(Superman Returns is a different case altogether imo -- they were trying to make a very late sequel or a quasi-remake off the Christoper Reeve movies.)

 

[KingMadness]

I want this damn show to come on already.

 

[gohei_]

You and me both, I really wanna see this.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

So, uh.

This show is gonna be epic. Mark my words.

 

[sethypants]

Episode 7 of #Arrow is being tentatively renamed: My 2nd Chance to do the Tom Cruise Run on Television. (I'm a happy guy right now.)

The opening sequence of episode 7 is going to blow people's balls off.

IIRC Episode 7 is the episode Geoff Johns is writing.

 

[charl_huntress]

Birds of Prey Animated, my friend. Birds of Prey Animated.

Unfortunately, DC women always get the shaft....le sigh