Green Arrow series in the works at The CW - Part 2

[Llama_Shepherd]

Who is this Slade and what was he doing on the island ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathstroke

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathstroke

Ok it gave me some background about the character ( a Taskmaster like ) but why was it on the island and what is his relationship with Green Arrow ? ( I don't mind spoiler ).

 

[Savage]

We don't know yet. That's the fun of it. It's a complete mystery to everyone what went on on the island so even Deathstroke's mask is a nice surprise and hint at future stories to come.

 

[Fans of Reilly]

about Deathstroke' Any one has a fancasting for him in mind

my casting Ray Park

 

[Lencho01]

According to IMDb, the role has been cast.

I'd just have Ron Perlman since he was awesome voicing the character in Teen Titans.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

^^
Thanks.

PS : I am not well versed in comic books, the mask and Deathstok were unknown to me.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

So i just saw the pilot and with the low expectations that come with a cw show it wasn't bad.

Just wondering in the comics does Green Arrow kill? because this guy has no qualms whatsoever. I thought in the scene where he first threatened hunt it would have made more sense to disable the security guys by aiming for their limbs and such and not their chest right away which was a little extreme.

Green Arrow has killed in many books. Just not...a lot.

According to IMDb, the role has been cast.

I'd just have Ron Perlman since he was awesome voicing the character in Teen Titans.

What do you see on iMDB? All I saw was a stunt guy, and it was removed. We don't know the actual person who's playing him though.

 

[Lencho01]

I just looked up Deathstroke's character profile and it has this guy, who in turn has the role under the Actor part of his profile rather than Stunts....

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0031120/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1319969/

But, since anyone can edit IMDb, anything's possible.

 

[Artistsean]

did this already air? did i miss it?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

So you're saying that without anyone to fight with, they trained themselves to be elite fighters? Highly unlikely. At some point they at least needed someone to test their ideas on and most certainly, not every one of them worked exactly as envisioned, needing some refinement at the very least.

Highly unlikely? It happened.

Musashi trained in a forest by himself for several years before re-emerging as the world's greatest swordsman. All he had were the trees and his own shadow. Hanzo didn't exactly have a sensei either. With what little he acquired from Ninpo, he utilized on missions before becoming a legendary Ninja figure. Sabbah started off as a missionary who was dedicated to philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, linguistics, etc. It wasn't until his travels to Cairo and while being on the run that he made the transition from missionary to assassin.

All three were nomadic loners prior.

But let's just cut to it. At some point, Ollie fought Slade, hense the mask with the arrow thru it. I find it highly unlikely that Ollie trained himself to best someone as skilled as slade without having anyone to train with, test his fighting theories (for that is what any fighting move is that has yet to be tested on someone else - a theory) on, etc. Even Batman Begins acknowledged the idea that Bruce training himself, as had always been the legend, was silly and thus showed a more realistic way that he would have obtained his fighting prowess. They even show that before Ras trains him, his fighting style is very blunt and inefficient. You can jump and flip and punch air or trees but as Bruce Lee himself said when Wall tried to intimidate him by breaking a board before their fight, "Boards don't hit back."

I'm not saying that Ollie learned to fight with nothing but his shadow. Slade's mask is likely a foreshadowing to his training. However, my point being is that it's not impossible to train oneself no matter the circumstances. For instance, I taught myself Judo and a few empty-handed Kali techniques from books and internet videos when I was younger.

In all the examples above, each person you referenced had experience fighting with other people to develop their skills and at the very least realize what doesn't work for them.

Trial and Error is not a master or a legitimate teacher, but it is a crucial part in the learning process. That said, these three warriors weren't fighting novice foot soldiers.

You cannot do that without someone else to fight with! It could be argued that Ollie had some training before he was stranded but they're really trying to play him up as someone who in the past only focused on drinking, partying, drugs and getting laid.

He could have, but there's no indication that he had prior training.

 

[Lencho01]

Yeah, you can watch it here...

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/arrow/pilot/?play=757c9164-3c62-45b3-8c11-acb9659271a9

 

[charl_huntress]

I'm rewatching this on my DVR and I still find the show really good. I'm wondering how much Ollie's friend actually saw when he was knocked out. Another thing is does anyone think it's possible the sister survived? Seems unlikely, but this is a CB show. Anything is posssible. Also, folks keep mentioning parkour. I googled it, but I'm a bit confused. Is is a fighting style or just a style to get over obstacles?

The only thing I had a problem with is how the arrows were built? Ollie had some pretty neat arrows, but there wasn't a scene about how he got or made them. Hopefully we'll see more of that.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Parkour is jumping over street furnitures, have a look at Yamakasi ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267129/ ) it is the perfect exemple.
I assume Queen get the tech arrow the same way than his computers ( I don't need to know how he did it, he is rich and can get whatever he wants ).

 

[Morg]

did this already air? did i miss it?

They going air it again tonight at 8 pm eastern time, check your local times for airing

 

[Savage]

I'm rewatching this on my DVR and I still find the show really good. I'm wondering how much Ollie's friend actually saw when he was knocked out. Another thing is does anyone think it's possible the sister survived? Seems unlikely, but this is a CB show. Anything is posssible. Also, folks keep mentioning parkour. I googled it, but I'm a bit confused. Is is a fighting style or just a style to get over obstacles?

The only thing I had a problem with is how the arrows were built? Ollie had some pretty neat arrows, but there wasn't a scene about how he got or made them. Hopefully we'll see more of that.

Parkour is a way to quickly get over obstacles and long distances. It's like urban gymnastics. About time we saw a live action superhero use it considering how common it is in comics. I'm not gonna count Daredevil since that was CGI.

As for the arrows, do you mean on the island? Because they showed him making them once he got back. Not sure how he would have pulled off such neat arrows on the island (I have to watch it again).

EDIT: Oh you meant the trick arrows! Damned if I know on that one. Just suspending my disbelief with that one.

 

[charl_huntress]

Parkour is jumping over street furnitures, have a look at Yamakasi ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0267129/ ) it is the perfect exemple.

Thanks! I'll look into that.

EDIT: Oh you meant the trick arrows! Damned if I know on that one. Just suspending my disbelief with that one.

Yeah, the trick arrows were what I was wondering about. I can suspend my disbelief, but it just made me curious because he had so many in a short period of time. Meh...not a big deal, but I'd like to see a shot of him building them or acquiring them.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

He bought them of eBay

 

[charl_huntress]

lol....very possible. You can get anything on there now and days...lol

 

[Reek]

Yeah, the trick arrows were what I was wondering about. I can suspend my disbelief, but it just made me curious because he had so many in a short period of time. Meh...not a big deal, but I'd like to see a shot of him building them or acquiring them.

I just think they were trying to fit BB style into one hour, so they figured we would let stuff like this go... get Arrow started, hopefully its not always like this.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Highly unlikely? It happened.

Musashi trained in a forest by himself for several years before re-emerging as the world's greatest swordsman. All he had were the trees and his own shadow.

He had formal training by his father up until what 8 or 9? That was a starting point from which to work, something Ollie likely never had as I stated earlier. The way you make it sound, someone with no training whatsoever can take a sword into the woods for a few years, come back out and beat just about anybody.

Hanzo didn't exactly have a sensei either. With what little he acquired from Ninpo, he utilized on missions before becoming a legendary Ninja figure.

I had to do a little research on him. Do you realize that it is said he could disappear and reappear supernaturally and had psychokenesis, right? These are all legends that have no doubt been built up over 400 years. For you to make your argument using this is kind of silly.

Sabbah started off as a missionary who was dedicated to philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, linguistics, etc. It wasn't until his travels to Cairo and while being on the run that he made the transition from missionary to assassin.
All three were nomadic loners prior.

All 3 had prior formal training, a starting point from which to work, something Ollie likely never had. I don't care what some manuscript hundreds of years old says, I call bunk unless you can show me some modern example of someone who became a hermit for years and them emerged and won the UFC. Never happened, never will.

I'm not saying that Ollie learned to fight with nothing but his shadow. Slade's mask is likely a foreshadowing to his training. However, my point being is that it's not impossible to train oneself no matter the circumstances. For instance, I taught myself Judo and a few empty-handed Kali techniques from books and internet videos when I was younger.

I am not saying you can't learn forms and build a foundation from books working alone. BUT unless you can tell me you did all this without ever sparring and then actually used the skills you taught yourself in a real fight with spectacular results (ala Ollie) or point to an example of such that is actually verifiable by today's standards and not some stories that are hundreds of years old, I say your premise is false.

Trial and Error is not a master or a legitimate teacher, but it is a crucial part in the learning process. That said, these three warriors weren't fighting novice foot soldiers.

And you cannot have trial and error without someone to try out on. Again, I defy you to show me a person who has trained themselves, never having someone to train with, and then have their first fight with someone and defeat them in such a devastating style as Ollie displayed.

Bottom line, he learned to fight on the island. If he trained himself, then his run-in with Slade must have been as a fight. We KNOW Slade is well trained in combat and for Ollie to have defeated Slade in their first fight with no formal training is absurd.

The other option is that Slade trained Ollie and so was the person Ollie got to hone his skills on. Obviously at some point, they battled and the mask with the arrow thru it is obviously a remnant of that fight.

I guess we'll find out but to say that Ollie spent years on the island practicing all those fight moves on no one and then have a seasoned cambat veteran like Slade show up only to get his ass handed to him is ludicrous.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

^^They could've avoided this whole debate if they just concentrate more on some aspects of the story...like making it clear that Ollie didn't exactly became a Ninja after five years stranded on an island, but instead aquired some skills-like faster reflexes etc-taht aids him in a fight...

Should've wait a couple more episodes before turning Ollie into the green arrow IMO.

 

[The Question]

Parkour is a way to quickly get over obstacles and long distances. It's like urban gymnastics. About time we saw a live action superhero use it considering how common it is in comics. I'm not gonna count Daredevil since that was CGI.

They had a parkour guy as Captain America's stunt double in The Avengers.

 

[Savage]

They had a parkour guy as Captain America's stunt double in The Avengers.

That's true. I completely forgot about that. I can only remember one scene where it stood out, unofrtunately so hopefully his next solo movie has as much as this episode at least.

 

[Savage]

^^They could've avoided this whole debate if they just concentrate more on some aspects of the story...like making it clear that Ollie didn't exactly became a Ninja after five years stranded on an island, but instead aquired some skills-like faster reflexes etc-taht aids him in a fight...

Should've wait a couple more episodes before turning Ollie into the green arrow IMO.

That would've turned off a lot of people, including myself. A little mystery doesn't hurt. Especially if its a TV show where everything will be explained eventually as opposed to a movie that has to shove in a 40-60 minute origin spoon feeding the audience everything.

 

[KingMadness]

I watched the pilot episode like 3 times, I love this show man. I saw the preview for next week and the solo fight between Arrow and China White looks epic.

Very interested to see how Merlyn becomes his rival, how Speedy becomes his sidekick, and how Lance becomes Canary. A lot of stuff set up in first episode.

Also I like how they are dragging Ollie's origin out. Instead of cramming it into 40 minutes, they will use the whole season to tell a little piece of what happened on the island. I like that.